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Old 04-07-07, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bus
I wasn't able to see exactly what was going on.

Was

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the pilgrim/killer fucking a head?
Yep. And complete with sound Just a big WTF moment from the crowd.
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Old 04-07-07, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Dave
Kurt Russell was bad-ass in the first part, but almost seemed like a whole different character in the 2nd.
That was the point.

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Stuntman Mike is presented like virtually every other bad guy in the slasher genre: a tough, remorseless killer with no feeling. But Tarantino takes that genre staple and completely turns it around, as if he's saying that it's all just an act, and these killers are about as tough as their victims.

So when Mike's intended victims fight back, he becomes terrified and immediately tries to run away. And as we saw, he certainly doesn't react to pain very well, on the verge of crying, even though I believe he was only grazed in the shoulder. That's even more ironic when you consider he's a stuntman, which is a profession that requires taking quite a bit of pain on a daily basis.
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Old 04-07-07, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenVulture
That was the point.

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Stuntman Mike is presented like virtually every other bad guy in the slasher genre: a tough, remorseless killer with no feeling. But Tarantino takes that genre staple and completely turns it around, as if he's saying that it's all just an act, and these killers are about as tough as their victims.

So when Mike's intended victims fight back, he becomes terrified and immediately tries to run away. And as we saw, he certainly doesn't react to pain very well, on the verge of crying, even though I believe he was only grazed in the shoulder. That's even more ironic when you consider he's a stuntman, which is a profession that requires taking quite a bit of pain on a daily basis.
I understand that to a point. It just seemed that even before the girls fight back that he was no longer that bad-ass. Maybe because unlike the first half there was no set-up for his character or maybe simply because it was light outside. There was never that same sense of terror.
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Old 04-07-07, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bus
Yup. They also announced on the radio

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during Planet Terror.

Which makes me wonder if these movies are truly tied in or not.
I've only seen it once. So pardon anything I missed...

Without question, I assumed they were. Not too much. The hospital scene crossed over. And I also assumed that the text-messaged guy was someone that was in Planet Terror.

In logic (hehe), the first half of Deathproof would have happened right before Planet Terror. If I were to guess, I'd say that it happened the night of the car crash.

All of the trailers were good. I thought that the Werewolf Women of the SS was right up there with the others. Not many people laughed, except for the cameo. I guess I am just a sucker for Nazi humor.

Like Kevin Smith did, Tarantino has really created a world that is just a lot of fun to see. So I can presume that his followup will be a mediocre romantic comedy.
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Old 04-07-07, 11:15 PM
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That great. Did anyone catch what the "real" title was? I thought I saw the word 'Thunder' in there but I can't even be certain.
I thought it said "Thunderbolt."

My friend says that's a nod to the real grindhouse practice of retitling a movie to trick people into thinking it's a new & different movie and paying to see it again.
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Old 04-07-07, 11:21 PM
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I was around the 70's watching these kind of movies and I didn't like GRINDHOUSE.
I liked the PLANET TERROR part but that DEATH PROOF was lame the women characters were the worse. The stunt car chase was o.k. only because no cgi unlike FAST & FURIOUS 3. Had they used the car chase & put Kurt Russell in PLANET TERROR not only would you have a shorter & better movie but you could give birth to a franchise.
If this movie doesn't make money it will be because of wasting 1hour & half of DEATH PROOF that limted theater showings.
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Old 04-07-07, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by onebyone
Exactly. It's really quite ridiculous.

I did love the movie, and I thought Planet Terror and the fake trailers were fantastic. Death Proof was a bad companion piece to that. I loved seeing Zoe Bell in action because she is a true bad ass. Other parts of the movie worked, but many other times I just wanted everyone to shut the hell up. Disappointing.
I don't know what you guys are talking about "Death Proof" was easily the better of the two. "Planet Terror" was fun, but it suffered in trying to take an over-the-top genre further over the top, and its schtick got old kind of fast. The only thing Rodriguez did better than Tarantino was the missing reel gag.

Death Proof was a very good companion piece. You could not have had another 90 minutes of splatter. The exhaustion factor would have been too great. There is a reason nobody has ever made a 3 hour splatter horror film. Rodriguez pulled out all the stops in the first half, and Tarantino used the opportunity to experiment with the structure of his piece. The obvious purpose was to amp up the impact of the characters getting killed, in contrast to Rodriguez's more traditional approach of killing stock characters en masse.

I honestly can't believe you guys were eager for more bloodshed after Planet Terror. Death Proof was damn near perfect.
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Old 04-07-07, 11:36 PM
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My friend & I went to the 2:30 showing today. We sit down to watch, and I'm really geeking out about the whole thing. The Machete trailer was a blast, and I loved the cheesy "feature presentation" music, and the worn & scratched film effects. In general, I felt the movie was absolutely made just for me.

I know nobody's going to believe the next part, but I swear it's true. About 20 minutes into "Planet Terror" (at the part where Tom Savini gets his finger bitten off) the film breaks. My friend and I started laughing, and I said, "Man, this is awesome! They even simulated a film break!" We chuckled a few seconds more, and then as our chuckles died down, we realized this fake film break was going on just a little too long. Suddenly the house lights come on and the manager comes in and says that the film really DID break. Crap in a hat! So we sit and wait. And wait some more. After about 20 minutes the film starts up and breaks again after 30 seconds. It does this 2 more times and then stops yet again. The manager comes back in and says the film is "unrepairable," whatever that means. I don't understand why you can't just tape the 2 ends together, but whatever. He says since it can't be fixed, we have to go. They give us a cash refund.

So we drive to the only other theatre playing it on the exact opposite end of town. It starts there at 5:30. This time there are no film breaks (other than the fake one during Planet Terror) and we finally get the see the movie(s) in its entirity. When we get out it was 9pm!! Yikes! It took me all stinkin' day, but I finally got to see it.

Loved the fake trailers, and I could watch Planet Terror every day. It was everything I hoped it would be and more. When Planet Terror ended and the fake trailers started, I counted 5 people who got up and left the theatre. I thought maybe they were just going to the bathroom, but they never came back. They were apparently so clueless as to the nature of the movie they were seeing that they thought it was over and left, never knowing there was another hour & a half left to go. And since they didn't "get" it, that means they must think "Werewolf Women of the S.S" is a real upcoming movie.

Like someone else previously mentioned, my theatre also had a sign on the door explaining that "Grindhouse recreates the look of a distressed and damaged print, and the film scratches and splices are intentional." HI-larious! That sign wouldn't have been there if they hadn't been getting some complaints!
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Old 04-07-07, 11:47 PM
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No one left during my viewing.

Anyone notice the cigarettes J.T. Gave El Wray? None other than Red Apples.
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Old 04-08-07, 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ScandalUMD
The obvious purpose was to amp up the impact of the characters getting killed, in contrast to Rodriguez's more traditional approach of killing stock characters en masse.
If his goal was to make me want them to get killed, then by god he did it and good. If his goal was to make me care about them, then not so much.

I didn't hate it mind you, but parts were just not needed and not entertaining to me. I didn't need more splatter, I just needed not to be bored.

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Old 04-08-07, 01:06 AM
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I thought it said "Thunderbolt."
Yep, you're correct. It said "Thunderbolt".
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Old 04-08-07, 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by GreenVulture
You're may get your wish if there's any truth to that rumor that Tarantino is going to expand Death Proof and take it to this year's Cannes Film Festival.

Which is a good idea; like I and others have mentioned before, Proof is just so different in tone and feel from Planet Terror and the fake trailers that it really throws Grindhouse off as a whole. I still think a double bill of Terror and Thanksgiving would have been better, with Proof released on its own as a kind of companion piece.

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When it comes to Tarantino it's always good to just take his word with a grain of salt since the man likes to think out loud. WHere's the movie theater he was going to rebuild in chinatown? Where's KILL BILL put together?
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Old 04-08-07, 01:12 AM
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Wound up seeing this again tonight, excellent all the way through.

Planet Terror seemed shorter this time, and Death Proof was just as good. Best theater going experiences so far this year. The overall flick is my favorite so far this year, and is a fun and very fast way to kill 3hr+.

Not a sour moment in its entirity (save for maybe Zombie's trailer, which squanders its potential). And after the repeat viewing, Death Proof is, imo, the better of the two.

Originally Posted by hapgilmore
can someone please explain what the point was of Jungle Julie text messaging that guy all night? It served no point in the story I could tell...
It was showing how men were running their individual lives. Julie's night was being dictated by a man that didn't show (hence the text messages), Arlene's was ruined by the lack of attention from them, Pam (McGowan)'s character presumably just got dropped (They mention "You know what happend to her?" repeatidly but never get into it), and Shanna had her man ploying against her (well, getting her super drunk). The roller derby chick that drove was just collateral.

On the flip side, both Kim and Zoe were in control of themselves, Abernathy and the other girl, whose name escapes me right now, not so much and would be presumably the targets. Abernathy pretty much learns how to control her own life as they go and gives the ultimate blow just after the The End title card.

At least, that's what I got from it. The moral (imo) was basically if you're gonna let someone else run your life, you may as well be dead. And while it won't make the movie more entertaining for folks, most of the comments made in the movie were hardly pointless. But then what do I know, it's 3 am and I've spent 7 of the last 36 hours sitting in a movie theater.

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Old 04-08-07, 02:57 AM
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ok, so we all know i have a peeing problem and if you didn't you do now.

My question is this:
if you desperately had to (or maybe you did), but if you had to pick a point in the whole fiesta to run out quickly and pee one out, when would you go??

Try not to spoil, but a point that i can look for and won't miss too much good stuff right after (i'm thinking sometime in DP, but i think i'm looking forward to that one the most).

This would really help me out. TIA!
The following is a serious response, although it may sound funny. I suggest that you check out a medical supply store and see about a condom catheter and a leg bag. I had a friend who was partially paralyzed as the result of a stroke but who still enjoyed opera (he had even been on the board of the Pittsburgh Opera at one time), so I helped him and his wife out (I'm a RN) and went with them. During the intermission we went to the restroom and I emptied the bag. Obviously this is something that would only come up with really long movies. Incidentally I sometimes suffer from the same problem, but I don't have a problem with missing a couple hundred seconds of a film.
And as has been mentioned before, get checked out for diabetes and prostate problems.
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Old 04-08-07, 03:01 AM
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Not a sour moment in its entirity (save for maybe Zombie's trailer, which squanders its potential). And after the repeat viewing, Death Proof is, imo, the better of the two.
I agree with you on every point! I felt that Zombie's trailer, while not bad, was the weakest of them all and wasn't really that great. I saw it a second time this evening as well and I enjoyed Death Proof even more on the 2nd viewing.
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Old 04-08-07, 03:04 AM
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I just had a thought - What if a theatrical print of Grindhouse was played at a revival showing in about 15-20 years. The print would look so shitty, heh, becuase it'd have the fake layer of grain and scratches and mess-ups, and then on top of that it'd have the actual grain and scratches and mess-ups in the film itself from being 20 years old. The only part that would look normally aged would be the final 45 minutes of Death Proof, which don't really have much done to them.
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Old 04-08-07, 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Corvin
Quite right. This isn't how women talk---it's how QT wishes women would talk.
I've never met anyone (Man or Woman) who talks like QT characters, except for the majority of a pointless screen writing class I took in college. It's all fantasy.

That being said I loved both films and the trailers. I would pay to see a feature length "Don't."

I felt that Planet Terror was fun and wore out it's welcome by the end. I had no problem with the dialog or the acting in "Death Proof." It almost seemed like a response to the torture porn disguised as cinema as of late. Ultimately, (IMO) DP will stand the test of time, PT will for the most part remain in infamy BECAUSE of it's connection to Tarantino's movie. and screw it...flame me if you will but i suspect some of the hate being thrown the way of DP is a little smidgen of sexism, geek culture has a difficult time with women being portrayed as anything but sex objects and looking at some of the comments here and most of the Aint It Cool Talkbacks geeks are scared of girls.
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Old 04-08-07, 04:26 AM
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Saw it tonight and it was awesome. Theater wasn't packed, and I was a little dissapointed.

The "Don't" trailer had me in hysterics. I had tears streaming down my face for the entire thing. "Don't!", "Don't" etc...

Both films were good, I liked Death Proof slightly better than Planet Terror. Both will be watched extensively.

Brilliant film going experience. This is what going to the movies is all about.
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Old 04-08-07, 06:55 AM
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Anyone notice the cigarettes J.T. Gave El Wray? None other than Red Apples.
I saw the Red Apples in Planet Terror but when they showed a close up of a pack in Death Proof it wasn't them.
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Old 04-08-07, 07:59 AM
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I've never met anyone (Man or Woman) who talks like QT characters, except for the majority of a pointless screen writing class I took in college. It's all fantasy.
You don't have to tell me----tell the people who were saying how "realistic" the QT conversations are.

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I just had a thought - What if a theatrical print of Grindhouse was played at a revival showing in about 15-20 years. The print would look so shitty, heh, becuase it'd have the fake layer of grain and scratches and mess-ups, and then on top of that it'd have the actual grain and scratches and mess-ups in the film itself from being 20 years old. The only part that would look normally aged would be the final 45 minutes of Death Proof, which don't really have much done to them.
Unless it's shown with digital projection.
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Old 04-08-07, 08:47 AM
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It was showing how men were running their individual lives. Julie's night was being dictated by a man that didn't show (hence the text messages), Arlene's was ruined by the lack of attention from them, Pam (McGowan)'s character presumably just got dropped (They mention "You know what happend to her?" repeatidly but never get into it), and Shanna had her man ploying against her (well, getting her super drunk). The roller derby chick that drove was just collateral.

On the flip side, both Kim and Zoe were in control of themselves, Abernathy and the other girl, whose name escapes me right now, not so much and would be presumably the targets. Abernathy pretty much learns how to control her own life as they go and gives the ultimate blow just after the The End title card.
That's very good. Death Proof stuck with me after I left the theatre and was the reason I went back to see it. Not expecting "Planet Terror Pt. 2" I got a chance to relax and concentrate on it a bit more.
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Saw it last night and overall I loved it. Definitely a great theater experience, will see it again tomorrow on a bigger screen.

I can't imagine skipping the trailers, they were better than most of the second feature imo.

As movieking said earlier, Planet Terror was consistent throughout, while Death Proof had higher highs and lower lows.

The ending to Death Proof really turned me off. Towards the end of the first act I was loving it as a slasher flick, but then it turned into something totally different. I hated the ending especially. They should have ended it
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in the hospital after the first crash, with Stuntman Mike looking or saying something ominous after the law decided they couldn't prove his guilt
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Originally Posted by achau9598
Do I need to stay through the end credits?
If this was answered I missed it.

Nope. A few images during the first bit of the credits, but nothing at all once they go to all text.
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You call that character development!?!? It was an hour of mundane, boring chatter that made me hate the characters. I was hoping that they would die every chance they could. I really wish that Death Proof would have been made by any other director, it would have gotten ripped apart.
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Saw this one last night. Loved Planet Terror (and the all of the trailers). Disliked Death Proof. It's the first Tarantino movie that I didn't like. The dialogue was just horrible to me. It was pointless, uninteresting, and took me right out of the movie. I don't mind lengthy conversations, but talking about nothing on screen for a half hour at a time does nothing for me. I was disappointed. Of course I loved Kurt Russell and all of the car work. Honestly, I was hoping every one of those girls would get slaughtered.= J
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Regardless, it was an awesome experience, and the trailers couldn't have been more perfect. Dear God, someone green-light Thanksgiving! Best time I've had at the movies in quite a while and one of those few times where the communal crowd atmosphere was superior than respectful silence.
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Death Proof blew the fun away I had with the trailers and Planet Terror.

Overall, except the trailers, but the features seemed to self referential, to wink wink. Back then, they were trying to make good films but were undone by corny dialogue, bad FX, ect, they didn't know. Here the directors should've cut back the wink wink shit.

Taratino's I think betrayed what the Grindhouse movie was up till the opening credits of Death Proof. Few gimmicks were used, like scratches and sound beeps, but it just looked to modern.

Speaking of modern, they acted a lot like the films were placed in the 70s, then suddenly they make a modern reference to Bin Laden or Lindsay Lohan. Dumb.

Trailers were the best.

Grade: C+
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