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Old 01-20-07 | 09:01 PM
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Finally started playing in my backwoods, so I got a chance to see it. Of course, there was one jackass in the audience who had to exclaim loudly at the start: "Oh no! Don't tell me this isn't in English!" On the other end of the spectrum, I overheard one woman after the end, struggling with some tissues: "I saw it was about children and fairies and labyrinth's and thought it was going to be a HAPPY movie."

Thought it was great ... one of those special movies (for me) that I get swept up in and really connects on an emotional level. Deserves its place in top ten lists. One thing didn't sit right with me:
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Why didn't Mercedes kill the Captain when she had the chance? I hate it when smart movies have a smart character do something stupid, seemingly just for the sake of propelling the storyline towards the ending they want (and obviously, this story has a drastically different ending with the Captain dying there). What possible reasoning is there for her leaving him alive, disfigured, and taunting him ("You lay a hand on her and I'll gut you") on the way out the door, rather than just slashing his throat?
Old 01-20-07 | 09:02 PM
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I'm seeing this in a couple hours and I'm really excited for it. A metascore of 98 - earned, unlike some other high scores, from a full compliment of ~40 reviews - is hard to ignore. I'll definately let you all know what I thought.
Old 01-20-07 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by brainee
Thought it was great ... one of those special movies (for me) that I get swept up in and really connects on an emotional level. Deserves its place in top ten lists. One thing didn't sit right with me:
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Why didn't Mercedes kill the Captain when she had the chance? I hate it when smart movies have a smart character do something stupid, seemingly just for the sake of propelling the storyline towards the ending they want (and obviously, this story has a drastically different ending with the Captain dying there). What possible reasoning is there for her leaving him alive, disfigured, and taunting him ("You lay a hand on her and I'll gut you") on the way out the door, rather than just slashing his throat?
The answer is obvious:

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Like you said, the writers had to have Vidal (pure evil) provide the final test for Ofilia, so they had to contrive to keep Vidal alive up to that point of the film before he meets his final fate. It's a dumb thing because if I were Mercedes, I would have gutted Vidal for being the evilest man alive.


I can't believe Mercedes was played by Maribel Verdu, who was smokin' hot in "Y tu mama tambien", but not so in this film.
Old 01-21-07 | 03:58 AM
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I've just returned from it, and wow. What an enchanting and beautiful film. Del Toro visualises his ideas like a painter would. The storytelling is compelling, the fantasy aspects filled with wonder, the violence a forceful and brutal counterpoint. I loved how he stiched together scenes - not anything new or revolutionary - but it gave the film a certain aspect of fluidity totally befitting the fairytale nature of the story. And the ending was a masterfully accomplished emotional gut-punch, the kind I haven't experienced since I sat through the devastating final 10 minutes of United 93. An easy 5 stars from me, and absolutely among the best pictures of the year.

Did the Captain remind anybody else of the Amon Goeth character from Schindler's List?
Old 01-21-07 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Patman

I can't believe Mercedes was played by Maribel Verdu, who was smokin' hot in "Y tu mama tambien", but not so in this film.
Holy shit, I didnt even realize this, but wow!

Anyways, finally saw this yesterday and I liked it. Not as much say as the Fountain, but a bit better than Children of Men ( I only use those 2, as it seems these 3 films seem to have some kind of connection, although Im not sure what). I was disappointed that there wasnt more of the "fantasy element" in it, but I actually found the war story a bit better and I like how he connected them together at the end. I would have like to here more about her father and how the captain and mom met, but those were just minor issues to me.
Old 01-21-07 | 01:21 PM
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Top per screen average of any movie in the top 10 box office this weekend It's great to see offbeat quality movies get support from the audience.
Old 01-21-07 | 02:58 PM
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I saw this at the Hollywood 20 in Greenville, SC last night (an hour away from home), and it was outstanding. It's one of those films, in my opinion, that is so multi-layered, it's hard to really give an exact review of it, while diving into the different meanings and such, so soon after I've seen it. I'll let it sink in, then maybe write a review for it. I will say that it's one of the best movies that I've seen in the past ten years.

I was very pleased to not see any walkouts after the subtitles showed up. I've never been to a foreign language film where that wasn't the case. I was also very pleased to see that the theater was a packed house. It wasn't totally full, but it was so packed that it was hard to find two seats together. I could tell that the crowd I saw it with really enjoyed it also, just for the reactions.

It was a great time, that's for sure. I love seeing movies like this actually being enjoyed by so many different people.
Old 01-22-07 | 09:54 AM
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The faun reminded me of the Jigsaw's puppet in the Saw franchise.
Old 01-22-07 | 04:01 PM
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Saw this last night. Great movie but I agree with some other posters here. It didn't have enough fantasy elements to it. The war story was gripping enough and could have been it's own movie. While the Labryinth part could have been it's own movie. I wish there were more "challenges" to Ofelia's quest. You pretty much see all the cool creatures in the trailer. I was expecting more of them.
Old 01-22-07 | 07:04 PM
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Really enjoyed this movie. It would have been great if she had done one more 'task' IMO, but it was still good. My favorite part was the monster with no eyes.
Old 01-24-07 | 10:22 AM
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Six academy award nominations:

Best foreign language film of the year
Original screenplay
Achievement in music written for motion pictures (Original score)
Achievement in makeup
Achievement in cinematography
Achievement in art direction

I can't wait for this to come out on DVD so that I can see it.

By the way, Volver was only nominated for one award (Performance by an actress in a leading role (Penelope Cruz)).

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Old 01-24-07 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Heat
Six academy award nominations:

Best foreign language film of the year
Original screenplay
Achievement in music written for motion pictures (Original score)
Achievement in makeup
Achievement in cinematography
Achievement in art direction

I can't wait for this to come out on DVD so that I can see it.

By the way, Volver was only nominated for one award (Performance by an actress in a leading role (Penelope Cruz)).
there was a great interview/segment on XM's Cinemagic station with Del Toro, and featuring some of the wonderful music. (gotta run over to Borders and actually buy the soundtrack).
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Originally Posted by Patman
I can't believe Mercedes was played by Maribel Verdu, who was smokin' hot in "Y tu mama tambien", but not so in this film.
Damn! I guess I’ve gotta see "Y tu mama tambien" because I thought she was gorgeous in this.
Originally Posted by Heat
Six academy award nominations:
I can’t believe that it wasn’t nominated for
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Best Paring Knife
That part gets more righteous with every viewing! I love seeing that part with first time viewers.
I hope Clint Eastwood, at his acceptance speech, says, “Well. I really wish Pan’s Labyrinth had gotten this one*”



*BFLF
Old 01-25-07 | 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Perkinsun Dzees
Saw this last night:

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The little girl eating the grapes to awaken the monster was a bit contrived...Maybe if they had established that she was starving
It's been about a week since I saw it, so I could be wrong, but
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after the "toad incident," she went straight to bed with no dinner, being the reason she was hungry


And I agree that there should have been more fantasy, but next to Children of Men, I'd say this was the best film of the year. (Though I haven't seen The Fountain yet)
Old 01-25-07 | 03:08 PM
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Saw this the other night and thought it was a mixture of Labyrinth and Commando. There were a few "you DUMB ass" moments that kind of spoiled the movie for me.
Old 01-25-07 | 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Heat
Six academy award nominations:

Best foreign language film of the year
Original screenplay
Achievement in music written for motion pictures (Original score)
Achievement in makeup
Achievement in cinematography
Achievement in art direction

I can't wait for this to come out on DVD so that I can see it.

By the way, Volver was only nominated for one award (Performance by an actress in a leading role (Penelope Cruz)).
I'm hoping that all of the major awards are split and Pan's clean's up so the headlines the next day have to at least acknowledge the film and get it in front of people's eyes.

I saw it a second time this past weekend and I loved it even more. It had been in my top 3 of 2006, but after seeing it again, I can say its my top film of 2006.
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Originally Posted by Heat
Six academy award nominations:

Best foreign language film of the year
Original screenplay
Achievement in music written for motion pictures (Original score)
Achievement in makeup
Achievement in cinematography
Achievement in art direction
I think it's almost a lock for Foriegn Film, and has a good shot at Score, Makeup, and Art Direction. Screenplay is either Sunshine or The Queen's to lose and Cinematography should go to Children Of Men.
Old 01-29-07 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by brainee

Thought it was great ... one of those special movies (for me) that I get swept up in and really connects on an emotional level. Deserves its place in top ten lists. One thing didn't sit right with me:
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Why didn't Mercedes kill the Captain when she had the chance? I hate it when smart movies have a smart character do something stupid, seemingly just for the sake of propelling the storyline towards the ending they want (and obviously, this story has a drastically different ending with the Captain dying there). What possible reasoning is there for her leaving him alive, disfigured, and taunting him ("You lay a hand on her and I'll gut you") on the way out the door, rather than just slashing his throat?
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Well, my rationale here was her speech to her brother about how much of a coward she was because she spent every day with the man but couldn't bring herself to kill him. When she was paring him up, she looked like she went after his heart but missed on purpose. She just didn't have it in her. And this had to be established so that, like Patman said, Ofelia's final test would be confronting Vidal.
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I'm not as high on this film as many others are. Perhaps it's the character of Capt. Vidal that just didn't work for me, basically evil incarnate, in this tale. I would call the film brutally unflinching, but its impact on me just left me cold or indifferent to the outcome, be it ambiguous or wide open to personal interpretation. After the film ended, some scenes just made me scratch my head as to why they were even in the film, besides to just make the viewer uneasy. The pacing of the film wasn't all that tight, and the intermingling of the real world and Ofilia's "mythical" world never meshed for me.

I guess it's worth a matinee, but it didn't work for me.

I give it 2.5 stars, or a grade of C+.

i went today and I agree with you, Its not a bad movie but didnt work for me some of the creatures were cool though.
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I did see it once more, but I only bumped up my grade to a B-. To me, the real and the fantasy aspects just come across like trying to mix water and oil together, it's slick, but neither components ever become a cohesive whole. del Toro had a great idea, but somehow in the execution, it just didn't quite come together for me, even on a second viewing. Don't get me wrong, it's worth seeing, but I'm still not sure it's worth all the hype.
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Originally Posted by Patman
I did see it once more, but I only bumped up my grade to a B-. To me, the real and the fantasy aspects just come across like trying to mix water and oil together, it's slick, but neither components ever become a cohesive whole. del Toro had a great idea, but somehow in the execution, it just didn't quite come together for me, even on a second viewing. Don't get me wrong, it's worth seeing, but I'm still not sure it's worth all the hype.
I can see where you're coming from, but I still feel that it was mostly
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war through the eyes of a child. She correlated what was happening around her to what happend in the fantasy realm (getting the key from the frog being her brother/mom, the storage shed and resisting temptation to survive with vidal in reality and the eye monster in fantasy, and her chance to escape and make everything right, which she ultimately failed. Though I can see that as stretching it, and it's been a while since I've seen the movie.
plus I was just really, really entertained by it.
Old 01-29-07 | 06:15 PM
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It's funny how that works, Patman. The films two worlds aren't even something one can seperate if you ask me. While they could each work on their own, together they make for a more compelling story that achieves a much greater depth.

Let's face it, fairytales can be pretty shallow. They are usually highly symbolic or didactic stories that have one-dimensional characters, who barely go through any change. Pan's Labyrinth goes well beyond a typical fairytale, and gives us real characters, while still allowing for incredible fantasy.

Yet, stories don't always work for everyone as we can see. It's not anything tangible either so it can't really be explained.
Old 01-29-07 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by brainee
One thing didn't sit right with me:
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Why didn't Mercedes kill the Captain when she had the chance? I hate it when smart movies have a smart character do something stupid, seemingly just for the sake of propelling the storyline towards the ending they want (and obviously, this story has a drastically different ending with the Captain dying there). What possible reasoning is there for her leaving him alive, disfigured, and taunting him ("You lay a hand on her and I'll gut you") on the way out the door, rather than just slashing his throat?
i had the exact same thought and was a little put off by it. 'jdpatri''s explanation was just what i needed to get past it in my head.

what a wonderfully magical movie. it was done so well and will fester within me for sometime. i was gonna see this or 'CoM' and went with this. great, great film.
Old 02-02-07 | 12:55 AM
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Loved this movie. I want to see it again. Its a dark fairly tail but not just that. Sleepy Hollow would be a pure dark fairy tail. This on the other hand is different. It has a lot more of the real world in it.Event though we see wonders we never go to far from reality.

To sum it up in one word, escape. The girl escapes to her world and the view escape to movie.
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Just saw this today as it opened locally just yesterday. I really enjoyed it and it is definitely in my top 3 of the year. Probably top 2. I need to see it again to really decide if it is better than Children of Men though.

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I think the movie can almost be read as an outright rejection of the "real" world. The girl's mom explains to her that she will understand the pain and suffering of the world when she grows up. This, of course, makes the ending sad, happy, and unbearable. Sad because, obviously, the girl dies. Happy because she did not have to endure the torture of living in the "real" world. And unbearable due to the absolute depression such a view of the world gives us.

On a side note, two women came to the theater with children, I'm guessing 8-10 years old. They left the theater right after the first f-bomb was dropped, barely missing the rabbit hunter's head being beat in.


I can't imagine why someone would bring children to this film without doing a bit of research first.


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