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cupcake jesus 10-28-06 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by GrouchoFan
I say Superman is not supposed to be dark and somber. He's not Batman; nor is he Spider-Man, driven by guilt. Nor is he an X-Man, driven by his outsider, "alien" status. Superman is not supposed to give a crap about being an alien, alone on earth, etc. (He is also not supposed to be the father of an out-of-wedlock child.)

...

I say, make the next Superman movie a lot lighter in tone, and go for the family market. Bring on Mr. Myxzptlk and make it an action-comedy! Plenty of opportunity for dazzling, creative, imaginitive CGI sequences. Leave the grim stuff to Batman please, and just make Superman fun again.

(and find someway to get rid of the kid...)

Although I liked Superman Returns more than it sounds like most posters here did, I agree wholeheartedly. The first two "villains" I thought that I'd like to see in the sequel were Mr. Myxzptlk and Bizarro. Because of Superman's nature, I think action-comedy suits the character fine, and the movie would be fun as hell.

cheers,

-the Jesus

Filmmaker 10-28-06 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by GrouchoFan
I say Superman is not supposed to be dark and somber. He's not Batman; nor is he Spider-Man, driven by guilt. Nor is he an X-Man, driven by his outsider, "alien" status. Superman is not supposed to give a crap about being an alien, alone on earth, etc. (He is also not supposed to be the father of an out-of-wedlock child.)

Superman is SUPERIOR to humans, emotionally as well as physically. He uses his powers to do good because it's, plain and simple, the right thing to do. This is what drives people like Lex Luthor and Hollywood screen writers crazy--they just don't understand how someone can be that goody-goody, therefore they find it hard to write the character.

I say, make the next Superman movie a lot lighter in tone, and go for the family market. Bring on Mr. Myxzptlk and make it an action-comedy! Plenty of opportunity for dazzling, creative, imaginitive CGI sequences. Leave the grim stuff to Batman please, and just make Superman fun again.

(and find someway to get rid of the kid...)

I bet you loved the first half of PLEASANTVILLE, then turned it off.

Mr. Cinema 10-28-06 09:07 AM

Loved Returns, loved Routh's version of Supes and can't wait for the sequel. I also think Brainiac will be chosen as the villain.

Matty-O 10-28-06 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
Loved Returns, loved Routh's version of Supes and can't wait for the sequel. I also think Brainiac will be chosen as the villain.


I was starting to think I was the only one who loved it. I'm also optimistic from what Singer did between X-Men 1 and 2, that he can deliver an amazing sequel.

brainee 10-28-06 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by GrouchoFan
I say Superman is not supposed to be dark and somber. He's not Batman; nor is he Spider-Man, driven by guilt. Nor is he an X-Man, driven by his outsider, "alien" status. Superman is not supposed to give a crap about being an alien, alone on earth, etc. (He is also not supposed to be the father of an out-of-wedlock child.)

Superman is SUPERIOR to humans, emotionally as well as physically. He uses his powers to do good because it's, plain and simple, the right thing to do. This is what drives people like Lex Luthor and Hollywood screen writers crazy--they just don't understand how someone can be that goody-goody, therefore they find it hard to write the character.

I say, make the next Superman movie a lot lighter in tone, and go for the family market. Bring on Mr. Myxzptlk and make it an action-comedy! Plenty of opportunity for dazzling, creative, imaginitive CGI sequences. Leave the grim stuff to Batman please, and just make Superman fun again.

(and find someway to get rid of the kid...)

I generally agree, but not with the "action-comedy" part. We all remember how well Superman III turned out, right? There's a proper balance for the Superman character ... I think both Donner and Timm found it, and hope Singer finds it for movie #2.

Artman 10-28-06 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by Vipper II
But the difference with those movies is that the first ones ended up being exceptionally popular. Superman Returns had to struggle just to get to $200 million

I still think it'll find more fans on DVD, and people will start accepting Routh as Supes. Combined with a movie that emphasizes action rather than soap opera, it should lead to an increase (beyond just inflation).

Mercury&Solace 10-28-06 04:00 PM

I absolutely loathed Superman Returns. I hated Singers ideas, story and vision on this film. The acting was horrible and the story sucked. I know I am in the monority here, but I think we could have done a lot more with the characters, especially Lex. Come on Lex a petty thief? BORING! How about have Lex's story about the business mogel he is, his power, money and influence and LexCorp? That is WAY more interesting than Lex ripping off little old ladies. Superman in the hospital? For christ sakes. Superman secretly having a child, that screams Dawson's Creek sappiness.

I won't dismiss the sequel without knowimg more, but Singer has ruined my faith in this franchise. I hope to god that they can really turn this franchise around. Singer will have to really , I mean REALLY sell me to get me back with this franchise.

I think a sequel is a bad idea. It took this long to finally reach $200 million, and it still didn't make its budget back? I think that enough people thought the movie was unimpressive or just average, and isn't really sticking in there heads enough for a sequel to do well.

NitroJMS 10-29-06 12:52 AM

I'm placing my bets on Brainiac as the villain with Luthor in some sort of cameo at the end to setup part 3. Guess for part 3: Doomsday as a puppet for Luthor to control which will tie back to Lex's love of Kryptonian technology from Returns.

I honestly don't think we'll see Darkseid unless WB ever gets around to doing World's Finest or Justice League as a movie.

Supermallet 10-29-06 01:22 AM

I sincerely hope we don't see Doomsday until Superman 9 or something. I hate it when someone makes a good comic book movie and someone suggests that for the very next film they use the most extreme villain that did something completely traumatic to the character, like Doomsday, Bane, or Carnage. Those characters have their place, but it's not right near the beginning of the character's story.

Vipper II 10-29-06 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by Artman
I still think it'll find more fans on DVD, and people will start accepting Routh as Supes. Combined with a movie that emphasizes action rather than soap opera, it should lead to an increase (beyond just inflation).

I actually thought Routh was a high point of the flick. His complete lack of chemistry with Bosworth and the fact that the movie tried to pay too much homage to Donner's films, instead of creating its own identity, were the main things dragging it down. The jury is still out on the inclusion of Lex Luthor, and the kid didn't really bother me as much as it did other people.

Filmmaker 10-29-06 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by Vipper II
the kid didn't really bother me as much as it did other people.

Only his girly mop of unkempt hair bugged me, but I've never been part of the "Kill Wesley Crusher" knee-jerk haters of kids in movies crowd. And, yes, Routh was a delight and easily the high point of the whole film for me. If I worked for the TV crew over at "Smallville", I'd have hung up my hat after seeing Clark Kent done so right.

Supermallet 10-29-06 03:47 PM

That was Clark Kent done right? IMO, Routh was an excellent Superman, but his Clark Kent was underdeveloped and mostly ignored. Didn't hold a candle to Christopher Reeve's Kent.

Filmmaker 10-29-06 03:53 PM

In my view, Routh vs. Reeve is tantamount to "is it live or is it Memorex?"...they were both perfect.

Supermallet 10-29-06 04:21 PM

I didn't see anything wrong with Routh's performance as Kent, it just seemed the filmmakers had no time for Kent. He was almost utterly ignored.

Vipper II 10-29-06 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by Suprmallet
I didn't see anything wrong with Routh's performance as Kent, it just seemed the filmmakers had no time for Kent. He was almost utterly ignored.

Yep, and that was another one of my problems with the movie. Perhaps Kent was ignored because he's the focus of Smallville (TV show), and the writers/producers didn't want to get anything "mixed up." That's the *only* thing that comes to mind, but it's not a good argument.

Numanoid 10-29-06 10:40 PM

Great news. Can't wait for this flick. Superman Returns will be playing nonstop in my DVD player come the end of November, and will have to tide me over for the next couple of years.

Fok 10-30-06 02:43 PM

I think the kid angle was way too early to bring into the film.....yeah get rid of the kid

Deadpool 10-30-06 10:37 PM


Originally Posted by Palaver
Darkseid :fc:

Umm...Darkseid owns Supes...wouldn't be a long movie. :)

I know this won't happen, but I would give anything to have Lobo in the next movie. The first R rated Superman movie :D

Brainiac or Darkseid would be a good way to go :up:

DJariya 10-31-06 01:47 AM

They should totally recast Lois for the sequel. Rachel McAdams as many people have mentioned on other boards would make a much better Lois.

Also, for this sequel to be successful, Warner and Legendary Pictures can't allow a $250-300M budget and expect it to make any money. That's not even counting marketing costs. I think Singer went over board on the special effects which caused the budget to go out of control.

DonnachaOne 10-31-06 01:52 AM


Originally Posted by Deadpool
I know this won't happen, but I would give anything to have Lobo in the next movie.

Played by Danny Trejo?

Geofferson 10-31-06 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by auto
Spiderman 2 > Spiderman 1
X-Men 2 > X-men 1

I'm cautiously optimistic...

Agreed. Arguably, I have higher hopes for the sequel than I did for the first installment.

Deadpool 10-31-06 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by DonnachaOne
Played by Danny Trejo?

:lol: He would be perfect :up:

Don't know how his voice is though. Brad Garrett does a damn good job voicing Lobo in his various animated appearances. Umm...they would have to work on that.

raven56706 10-31-06 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by Doughboy
Well, all they have to do is recast Lois, kill the kid, and come up with a villain not named Lex Luthor and it could turn out alright.


i swear if the kid is alive in the next film i am going to burn the whole movie theater, and put a bullet in my brain

vegasbaby 10-31-06 09:53 PM

Routh was good. Replace Bosworth with Rachel McAdams and send the little kid to boarding school ..

GrouchoFan 11-01-06 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by Filmmaker
I bet you loved the first half of PLEASANTVILLE, then turned it off.


It's been a few years, but as I recall, I enjoyed the whole movie. I really need to crack open the copy I picked up in the Wal-mart bargain bin and see it again. I do remember thinking at the time, and I'm not kidding, "that guy playing the brother might make a good Peter Parker."


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