*Looks at my Superman Returns poster* 6-20-06. Damn. 6 years between the two. Why is WB/DC only dropping 1 movie a year? They could learn a thing from Marvel. Again.

I found that as long as good movies come before 2012 it won't seem that long.
I remember when the dates for the final 3 STAR WARS movies were announced and that seemed like a life time.

I like the idea of a three part epic, but his idea - while epic - sounds depressing.

I gotta say just that brief synopsis has me more excited than I have ever been for anything Superman. And I quite like Superman 1/2 and Returns very much.
That Ending sounds amazing and Beautiful and if done right it could become classic. I hope this gets made and we get to see that ending.

I think the ending sounds terrible and would be a major misfire for the audience.

I agree wholeheartedly.

2012? I'll be an old man by then. This fucking sucks.

I think it sounds great, if they're too afraid of that ending they could put it after the credits. But it definitely needs to be seen, instead of gathering dust somewhere in hopes of a probably non-existent re-release.

"as the yellow sun turns red and starts to supernova, and he loses his
powers."

yeah, "as he stands their with his long mullet hair, black costume, and no cape."

This sounds like another disaster. In any future, epic three-movie scenario, Krypton or the destruction of Krypton or some other origin version of Superman on film SHOULD NOT BE DONE. It's been done to death. Just move on to some other story fighting some super villain. Superman can have a story that doesn't revolve around him "boo-hooing" about Krypton or being the only survivor...

It shouldn't follow in the footsteps of The Dark Knight. It should follow in the footsteps of The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man - meaning something entertaining and not meladramatic boo-hooing throughout the whole film.

The key in the next Superman film is:
1. No Lex
2. No Kryptonite
3. No boo-hooing about being sole survivor of Krypton
4. No boo-hooing about relations with Lois
5. No made-up villain
6. At least two famous comic-book villains

Why do you say that? My inital reaction was the same as fumanstan's in that I don't think it would go over at all with audiences. They want an bright and upbeat Superman. It's not meant to be dark and depressing like Batman.

I could easily outline a 3 film arc that would be epic. Also, I'd at this point I'd rather any Krypton sequences be some sort of flashback for plot from a Jor-el perspective. Regardless of any pre-post Crisis talk the basic origin hasn't changed in 70+ years and I think anybody knows that and has seen that. We don't need to go there again.

Is that you Jon Peters? Would this even be Superman if we go by your Criteria? Do you want a Giant Spider?

Of course it would. You know Superman has had to deal with enemies OTHER then Lex Luthor and weaknesses OTHER then Kryptonite and relationships OTHER then Lois, right? These things have been done to death in the movies, and while that doesn't mean it shouldn't have Kryptonite and Lois in the movie, I'd easily like to see those aspects not be a focal point anymore. Besides, shouldn't you be clamoring for this movie to be 3 hours long and rated R?

A 3 movie arc would be fantastic, especially if they went with some story involving Doomsday or Darkseid. It could be epic. But it sure as hell shouldn't end with the world destroyed and Supes the only man left. That would be dreadful.

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I have no problem with start-from-scratch orgin film. Seriously, I want to see Luthor in the film in a diminshed role. Then they can just use Brainiac as the main villian. Just do the property justice.

That idea just sounds awful. Superman isn't supposed to be dark and depressing, he represents hope in mankind.

Would it really be so hard to simply adapt The Death of Superman or write something fun based on the Golden/Silver Age Superman using Metallo, Brainiac, or Bizarro? Heck, if they want Lex back, just have him pulling the strings of the primary villain like he normally does in the comics.

Plus, since when is Superman supposed to be immortal? I know he's eternally the same age in the comics, but so are Lois, Perry, Jimmy, etc. The idea of him being alone at the end of the world just doesn't make sense.

I guess I'm one of the few that still thinks Singer needs a chance to at least pitch his idea for a leaner and meaner sequel. The guy is a good filmmaker, and I'd love to see where he would take the franchise.

See Fumanstan's reply...


An ideal Superman movie would revolve around Darkseid/Brainiac, outerspace, and different worlds. It would be a reinvention of the 80s sci-fi flick a la Star Wars/Star Trek/Flash Gordon. Superman is the protector of Earth, not Metropolis. If a superhero is protector of Earth, he shouldn't be dealing with small-cheese, real estate businessman villainy (Lex Luther). Save that for Batman. Superman should be protecting the Earth from alien villains. Metropolis shouldn't be the threat of getting destroyed - it's the whole earth that should get the threat. Superman shouldn't be preventing mini-catastrophes from a little rinky-dinky kryptonite island developing (Superman Returns) or the sinking of California (Superman 1). Superman should not be getting stabbed by a rinky-dinky krytonite knife - Superman should be getting punched so hard by Darkseid that he fucking gets knocked through the sun as if he's getting knocked through a wall. Superman should not be getting city manhole covers flinged into his chest by villains (Superman 2) - he should be getting mini asteroids flinged into his chest by villains.


D.C. should be stealing Marvel's Infinity Gauntlet storyline as a guide for an epic movie in which the villain (such as a Thanos) basically destroys for the sake of order and peace. Darkseid should be that villain you emthasize with. And Brainiac should be the villain that you really, really hate. It's the type of movie where at the end of the Superman film, Brainiac would get killed/destroyed, while Darkseid would be the type of villain that would get his ass kicked, but he would be able to walk away at the end, either learning from his dictatorish mistakes or just making a deal with Superman to leave Earth alone.

Thats one stupid ass ending. Just give it to Johns for a real epic.

Do we really need a retelling of the Superman origin story? Between the movies, Smallville, cartoons etc. Another origin story is just beyond redundant. There are Bushmen in Papua New Guinea who have never seen a television who know where Superman is from and how he got to earth.

I have never read a Superman comic book, and if that's the kind of silliness that goes on in them, I'm glad I haven't. :lol:

Superman's greatest quality is his humanity. Making him so ridiculously over the top would be far too cartoonish.

yup, that's what goes on in the superman comic/cartoons...and his humanity theme has been done to death already.

I really enjoyed Millar's Red Son and it'd probably be a great movie.

If the Superman origin is real played out, it should be an option.

Wow superman fightning aliens. lol

superman makes a speech to the public:

"Today I fought an alien. We are being invaded. They are real! It's no longer a coverup. Don't worry folks, I'm here to save the day."

I'm not familiar with that specific story from Marvel, but what you've described is what I want to see. In fact myself and others earlier in this thread have stated that exactly. It strikes me as odd that so many of us seem to get what would make a good film - as have been successful in other media - and yet Hollywood somehow continues to struggle with it. But I guess that brings us back to polar bears doesn't it?

Just the idea of a 3 part Superman epic has be popping wood.

For the next Superman movie to be exciting, original, and not a rehash of the same ol' superman flicks, it's got to revolve around:

-Darkseid/Brainiac
-Apokolips (Darkseid's planet) & Orion/New Gods
-Outerspace/other planets/galaxies (not just a shot of Superman flying next to Earth as in all his other flicks)

In other words, Superman should be like a Star Wars-type film. Instead of characters such as jedi and sith - it should revolve around superpowered heroes (Superman/New Gods) and villains (Darkseid/Brainiac). If the movie wants to have some "Earthly humanity connection", just have Darkseid kidnap and enslave hundreds of Metropolis people such as Lois Lane and Lex Luthor and stick them in a huge prison on a spaceship or on the planet Apokolips. And Lex Luthor can even use his great wits to flip the situation - free himself, side with Brainiac, and possibly even help Superman in the end by destroying Brainiac. In the comics/cartoons, there is a relationship between Lex and Brainiac (Lex envies Brainiac's genius, power, technology in which he would want to side with Brainiac and eventually replace him).

Even if the movie has Superman having mega-fight scenes with Darkseid or Brainiac, the ending could still have Superman being the defensive protector. Lex can fight/stop Brainiac. Orion (Darkseid's good heroic son) can fight/stop Darkseid. And Superman can save all the Earthlings by protecting them and bringing them back to earth...After all, he has used Lex' help before to defeat three supervillains that he couldn't stop (Superman 2). Superman is the most powerful protector on earth, but not in the universe. There are many times when Superman can't necessarily stop Darkseid/Brainiac or any other superhero villains all on his own. Superman needs help from others, which is very human to accept help no matter how powerful one is...