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onebyone 06-30-06 07:35 PM

Superman Returns for me. They are both good movies with 1 miscast female role (Holmes/Bosworth), but only one has Superman so... it wins. I saw Batman Returns once, liked it, and moved on. Superman Returns has me planning repeat trips all weekend because I enjoyed it to the point of giddy. Apparently, it just made me care more.

Supermallet 06-30-06 07:38 PM

Batman Begins because Batman is my favorite comic book character of all time. And Begins is just about the way I would have made a Batman movie. It easily transcended the superhero genre. I took my parents to see it and when my mother liked it, I knew it was something that wasn't just for comic book fans. The methodology of the film makes you accept Batman beyond a typical suspension of disbelief. Christian Bale's performance sucks you in and the world is so well drawn.

Superman Returns was really, really good but never rose above comic book movie. Routh, while a good actor, didn't carry the film in the same way that Christian Bale carried Batman. I admire what Superman did, but I am utterly amazed at what Batman did.

Dr. DVD 06-30-06 07:52 PM

While I loved Superman Returns and hope there is a sequel, I have to go with Batman Begins, by a substantial margin. It just engaged me more than Superman. But hey, Batman is a lot more interesting than Superman, so it makes sense.

Now, if we get a Batman and Superman movie together, we might have our definitive superhero movie!

Supermallet 06-30-06 07:57 PM

Heck, I still think someone should make a Dark Knight Returns film. That would feature both of them, although I don't think Superman fans would be all that happy.

DonnachaOne 06-30-06 08:04 PM

Batman Begins is a more cohesive film, though that's not saying much for either one. Batman Begins also has much better villains and a more motivated, interesting plot.

Bandit03 06-30-06 08:05 PM

My vote is for Superman Returns, but my vote is biased since Superman is my favorite superhero.

Palpadious 06-30-06 08:07 PM

This isn't the most complex review but these were my inital reactions to both films.

Batman Begins-"Wow"

Superman Returns-"Meh"

Johnny Boy 06-30-06 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by Suprmallet
Christian Bale's performance sucks

Hey, give him a break. I thought he was really good as Bruce Wayne. As Batman, however, you may have a point. ;)

I haven't seen Superman Returns yet, but I'm going to very soon. I have a feeling it's going to be a little disappointing.

MASAMUNE2 06-30-06 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by Suprmallet
Christian Bale's performance sucks you in and the world is so well drawn.



wow, you totally manipulated his sentence

Supermallet 06-30-06 09:11 PM

:lol:

JumpCutz 06-30-06 10:39 PM

Batman Begins

Jadow 06-30-06 10:43 PM

I thoroughly enjoyed Batman Begins and thought they hit every not perfectly except for a small misfire with Katie Holmes. Christian Bale belonged in that bat suit, perfect casting choice.

Superman Returns? Meh, I was utterly dissapointed. The plot was weak, the climax was anything but, and way too much Lois / Relationship stuff. I left the movie theater P/Oed.

Ranger 06-30-06 11:27 PM

Voted for Batman Begins. I thought it was a masterpiece compared to the other comic movies. Although I agree Spider-Man 2 and X2 were good. Haven't seen Superman Returns yet but will do tomorrow but I know it's not going to beat Batman Begins.

SINGLE104 06-30-06 11:31 PM

There are way too many Superman threads... Where are the mods?

Kal-El 07-01-06 01:21 AM


Originally Posted by SINGLE104
There are way too many Superman threads... Where are the mods?

Watching Superman Returns. :D

hardercore 07-01-06 01:51 AM


Originally Posted by Ranger
Voted for Batman Begins. I thought it was a masterpiece compared to the other comic movies. Although I agree Spider-Man 2 and X2 were good. Haven't seen Superman Returns yet but will do tomorrow but I know it's not going to beat Batman Begins.

You haven't even seen both, and yet you've voted. How can you be so sure that Superman Returns isn't going to knock your socks off?

Legolas 07-01-06 04:40 AM

I liked Superman Returns, but overall it was a very underwhelming movie. Entertaining but nothing special. Plus the Lex Luthor plot was extremely absurd (can you even build or grow anything on Krypton crystal-created land?). I'd rank it well behind Batman Begins, Spider-Man 2 and X2.

Giantrobo 07-01-06 07:54 AM

Why does everything have to be either or? Fuckin' polls... :lol:

I loved both movies.

Ranger 07-01-06 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by hardercore
You haven't even seen both, and yet you've voted. How can you be so sure that Superman Returns isn't going to knock your socks off?

I already read everything about this movie and knew what to expect so I already pretty much had my mind made up. I did see Superman Returns early this afternoon and of course, I still liked Batman Begins a lot better. Superman Returns was good for about the first hour and 45 minutes, but after that I thought it was kind of going downhill and I didn't like how it ended.

Did SR knock your socks off?

Mr. Cinema 07-01-06 06:13 PM

I like them both, but I chose Superman Returns. The biggest issue I had with Batman Begins was Christian Bale playing the title character. His Batman was...I don't know....ugh.

hardercore 07-01-06 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by Ranger
I already read everything about this movie and knew what to expect so I already pretty much had my mind made up. I did see Superman Returns early this afternoon and of course, I still liked Batman Begins a lot better. Superman Returns was good for about the first hour and 45 minutes, but after that I thought it was kind of going downhill and I didn't like how it ended.

Did SR knock your socks off?

I liked Superman Returns better than Batman Begins, but neither really knocked my socks off. They are among the best comic book pictures I've seen, though, in addition to X Men 2. I really should go rent out the Spiderman pictures -- everybody seems to be in agreement that they're excellent, especially the second one.

Bill Geiger 07-02-06 12:27 AM

Haven't seen Superman yet, but I would probably still vote for Batman Begins as it was the best of the franchise and I just like Batman better than Superman. :)

Puzznic 07-02-06 01:23 AM

With hero bias..............Batman Begins
Without bias.................Batman Begins

raven56706 07-02-06 01:45 AM

just came back from seeing Superman returns..... and


BATMAN BEGINS WINS EASY......

das Monkey 07-02-06 05:22 PM

Batman is by far the more interesting character, and I really liked the way <i>Batman Begins</i> approached the backstory with realism (and Michael Caine is f'ing awesome as Alfred). However, I'll go against the grain and say that I <u>enjoyed</u> <i>Superman Returns</i> more. For all the things I like about <i>Batman Begins</i>, the background with the League of Shadows is poorly executed, and I found the pacing of the film to be off. Also, because it's played so seriously, when Batman does something a little too superhero-ish, it's jarring (his escape from Witch Mountain was especially silly). <i>Superman Returns</i>, however, is a silly film at its core, so it's easier to forgive those cheesy moments. I think in the end, though, it's easier to identify with the citizens of Metropolis and hope that Supe saves the day. With Gotham, no amount of speechifying from Katie Holmes made me particularly care about any of them.

They're both good films with very different approaches, and while I know <i>Begins</i> is technically the better film, I enjoyed <i>Returns</i> more. :shrug:

das


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