Supermallet

I agree that crap like Saw, Turistas, etc. is really setting the bar low for horror, but I've enjoyed Zombie's other two films and I'm definitely willing to give him a chance on this.

Zodiac_Speaking

Many have mentioned Zombie being a hack and is ruining the film/sereis. Really? Outside of Steve Miner, ain't the others from 2-8 hacks too? I'd rather have Zombie do this than Doug Little or Rosenthal. Seriously folks, if anything, this is going to be better than 2/3 of this franchise's entries.

The original will never go away.

Synapse Don May had found a pristine negative of Halloween prior to any cuts, rememeber?

The original will never go away.

Terrell

I don't know if you're talking about me, but I never said he ruined the series. The series was ruined long before Zombie got his hands on it. But I've made my point about the sequels. They were sequels. This is a remake of the original, which is a classic. Big difference. Didn't really care about the sequels other than Halloween II which was a pretty good follow up. It should have ended right there. But I do care about a bad remake of Halloween.

My philosohpy is this. If you can't hope to approach the original, or better it, leave well enough alone.

Seantn

We get it, you're not looking forward to it.

Artman

That's why you make it different... which is certainly (for better or worse) what it's going to be. I haven't seen either of Zombie's films, but I understand he's got his own style and vision (however twisted it may be). Whether that works for this film or not... don't know. I do know that as a casual fan I'm willing to check this out much more than another by-the-numbers sequel.

LivingINClip

This "torture porn horror" is no different than the exploitation horror that was back in the 70's. If anything, it's less graphic, as now its all polished nonsense. Still, I would almost bet that this Halloween does include almost everything mentioned in that first draft, it seems to be the stuff that Rob Zombie enjoyed, and while I loved 'The Devils Rejects', I don't think any of those things fit into the 'Halloween' franchise. The great thing about Michael was the ultimate evil, this kid who just snapped, for no reason and went on a killing spree and as time passed, that evil just sat there. That was the part that made the movie a classic. Sadly, now'a'days, filmmakers want to over analyze the motives of the killers, give this huge backstory and take away the scare of an ultimate evil that doesn't seem human.

Clockwork

The Weinsteins? Did you see the Black Christmas remake?

AllHallowsEve

May the powers that be have mercy on your soul for bringing up that film in any thread...

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Some internet critics are now claiming Grindhouse's bombing is going to impact Halloween's box office?

I don't see why or how -- they have absolutely nothing in common.

If this films flops (which I doubt, but one never can be sure), I don't see why people are blaming it on Grindhouse.

Clockwork

Good point, I won't speak of it again.

starseed1981

Oh dear god. I netflixed that this weekend. I should be tarred & feathered. I did love the documentary with the director where even he says he has no interest in the movie; classic.

CinemaNut

Really? I cant. They're suckers for punishment who lament shitty sequels, but like the guy who keeps hitting himself over the head with a hammer and asking why he has a headache, will keep punishing themselves. They want something new and fresh and when a possibility for that comes along, they piss and moan and sometimes even say stupid shit about how this is gonna rape their childhood memories or that somehow the original film is made lesser by it - all the while ignoring the horrendous sequels that did just that - and proving they dont truly want a decent attempt, just for garbage sequels.. they cant be taken seriously by me

Zombie is going to right the wrong over all those inane sequels - including part II... and just may even surpass the original, like Zake Snyder did in his Dawn of the Dead remake...and I think some fans are actually afraid there's gonna be debate about this very fact.

Truth hurts sometimes

Supermallet

Who on earth is Zake Snyder?

And while I am looking forward to Zombie's Halloween, there's no way in hell DOTD '04 was better than DOTD '78.

Rogue588

Definitely.

And while we're on the subject, I think I missed the memo where it was decided that Zombie rights wrongs successfully and to perfection..

Really? There's a difference in the supposed furthering of a story than the retelling of a story that wasn't wrong to begin with.

Chad

You're kidding, right?

thelwig14

I thought Snyder's was better as well as the new Assault OP 13 and some others.

I think Zombie's will be different enough that both versions will be able to stand on their own. I am sorry, but after Devil's Rejects, I trust Zombie to make a sweet Halloween movie.

cactusoly

I don't think Rob Zombie's name will have much of an impact on Box Office. If you figure that everyone who bought his last cd Educated Horses which sold about 500,000 copies went to the movie at $10 a pop thats only $5 million at the box office. Even the last album Sinister Urge which sold 1 million copies, which wouls figure to be onlt $10 million at the box office.

Maxflier

I liked the Dawn remake a hell of a lot more than the original. Quite frankly, I didn't care much for the original at all.

Peep

I'm not planning on going because I like his music.

I'm planning on going because I loved "Devil's Rejects". So, I think his name (as a director) will have an impact.

AllHallowsEve

I didn't like the original "Dawn" either; I really liked "Night."

I did like "Dawn's" remake better too. Don't jump to conclusions: I saw the original "Dawn" when I was about 11 -- long before the remake was released.

So, no... I didn't see the remake first. I saw the original many years before the remake was even on the radar.

I don't like "Day" either. The only one I like from the original trilogy is "Night."

Johnny Zhivago

This thread makes my head hurt... The Dawn remake better than one of the fucking classics of horror cinema, the film that defined/s an entire sub-genre?

On topic since I'm here - This remake looks like shit and I wil not be drinking from Zombie's Kool-Aid this time. I liked Devil's Rejects quite a bit but that style of violence is a little over the top for Halloween IMHO...

Drop

I actually look forward to Horror remakes. I've enjoyed the NOTLD remake, The Fly (even Fly II), The Thing, I'm anticipating The Wolfman, and I'm anticipating Zombie's Halloween. I'd also love to see a Creature from the Black Lagoon remake but it needs some serious talent behind it. I have to like the people involved with a remake, and really that goes for any film.

When I heard James Gunn was writing the Dawn remake (the original is my favorite film) I was really excited, and then the cast seemed pretty good. I was pretty damn dissappointed with the film, and really quite hate it. Mostly comes down to the idiocy of the characters and not believing in the zombies.

So, I'm definitely looking forward to the Halloween remake, but I think I should also lower my expectations as well. I liked the trailer but it didn't excite me.

darkside

Agree. The genius of the original was just how scary it was with minimal violence. It was a nice bridge between the Hitchcock style of horror and suspense and the bloody films that would follow in the 80s.

Zombie remaking this as a blood bath has zero interest for me. I consider House of a Thousand Corpses one of the worst films I have ever watched and even though he improved greatly on the second movie I don't see any evidence of him having the directing chops to pull off a remake of a classic of this magnitude.

AllHallowsEve

Actually, I'd still only give the Dawn remake a C. I liked it better than the original, but that doesn't mean I was crazy for it.

I don't really care for the Zombie subgenre. Never have. Night of the Living Dead is the only one I really took to -- and some people don't like that either.

This Halloween remake doesn't really bother me. If a bunch of terrible sequels didn't hurt the original, this won't. Black Christmas didn't really do anything to taint the original. People will see the remake once, say it sucks, and move on. It will vanish to the dusty shelves in the back of the video store and that will be the end of it.

I think people are afraid there will be a group who ends up liking this more than the original (the teenage group). And there will be. Nothing is going to stop that. If someone thinks the original is boring (and I know several who do), they're still going to think the same thing no matter if this remake is released or not.

40's horror fans were shocked when the Blob arrived in the 50's; People were up in arms when 70's horror displaced Hammer horror; 60's/70's fans were up in arms when 80's slashers dominated; 80's slasher fans were pissed in the 90's when Scream and its ilk "tainted" their love. Now we're in the remake era and people are pissed about that. This generation's fans will be pissed a decade from now when Saw is displaced by something else. It's always been the same thing.

auto

Great post...very true

Cardiac161

As much as there are a lot of people who loved the classics, studios will never stop remaking them for today's younger (or newer) audiences who seem to like their horror films with more gore, violence, fast cut edits etc. Forget the social commentaries, symbolism, satirical views or what-have-you that may have made the originals critically applauded...audiences who make up most of the horror movie-going population want in-your-face intensity like Saw or Hostel and consider Eli Roth, Rob Zombie & Alexandre Aja as the modern auteurs of the genre.

I've read a lot of critics who seem to wince at the level of graphic violence being portrayed in today's horror films which seem to top one method of killing from the last. But that's the way Hollywood is and I can only hope the next batch of remakes (like Escape from New York) would, not really have to pay homage to the original, but at least be a good worthwhile film to watch.