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Kal-El 05-24-06 01:47 AM

Phantom Menace to be released in 3D Next Spring
 
I just got my Popular Science today and there was an article in it about Return of 3D to theaters. The article mentions that TPM is set to be re-released next spring in 3D and that the other 5 movies should follow.

Anyway, just thought I'd share the good(?) news?

riley_dude 05-24-06 02:59 AM

I wonder if it will make the movie better?

GIjon213 05-24-06 08:57 AM

I thought they swore off making any of these in 3D....

Maxflier 05-24-06 09:26 AM

Will it's Box Office take stack with what it has already made?

GuessWho 05-24-06 10:00 AM

icky poo doo!

digitalfreaknyc 05-24-06 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by Maxflier
Will it's Box Office take stack with what it has already made?

Of course. That's what happened with the SE's.

Maxflier 05-24-06 10:34 AM

So I guess Titanic will eventually be overtaken once Star Wars gets enough theatrical releases...

SeekOnce 05-24-06 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by gijon213
I thought they swore off making any of these in 3D....

I think they were referring to the OT. :hscratch:

The shit coming out of Lucasfilm hasn't made much sense lately.

DRG 05-24-06 12:01 PM

The prequels should adapt well to this since most of the original footage is either digital or filmed against a greenscreen (easy to separate). But to do the original trilogy would be pretty tough, and would probably require completely recreating backgrounds, sets, vehicles, props, etc. digitally.


Originally Posted by Maxflier
So I guess Titanic will eventually be overtaken once Star Wars gets enough theatrical releases...

No, because James Cameron is the main guy behind this new 3D movement, and he'll just redo Titanic in 3D himself if the record is in danger. :)

Giles 05-24-06 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by SeekOnce

The shit coming out of Lucasfilm hasn't made much sense lately.

it's a revolving door of shit if you ask me.

riley_dude 05-24-06 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by Giles
it's a revolving door of shit if you ask me.

I couldn't agree more!

Numanoid 05-24-06 12:30 PM

I was doing my weekly search for "revolving door of shit" and this thread came up. I must say that I am greatly disappointed. :(

Giles 05-24-06 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by Numanoid
I was doing my weekly search for "revolving door of shit" and this thread came up. I must say that I am greatly disappointed. :(

:lol: I somehow knew I'd get shit for starting a thread about 'defecation in movies' ... ;)

Giles 05-24-06 12:43 PM

you'd think LucasFilms, Fox, DLP and REAL3D would team up and do what Disney/Dolby Digital and DLP did with 'Chicken Little 3D' and make a conservetive effort to bring down the costs of the 3D system/setup so more theatres can book and feature this as such. (sorry for the run-on sentence there).

Zodiac_Speaking 05-24-06 01:29 PM

Whoooopie!!!

Mesa thinks in 3D yousa coulda punch young Annie!!!

Jon2 05-24-06 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by DRG
The prequels should adapt well to this since most of the original footage is either digital or filmed against a greenscreen (easy to separate). But to do the original trilogy would be pretty tough, and would probably require completely recreating backgrounds, sets, vehicles, props, etc. digitally.

From what I've read, that shouldn't be a problem. The process allows a 3-D film to be created from an already shot 2-D film.

Lucas has already stated that all 6 ST films will get the 3-D re-release.

It will be interesting to see how well it looks. I hope it works as well as the process used for Chicken Little, which was terrific. Forgot I was wearing the glasses after a while, and it was the first time I've been able to watch a 3-D film that didn't give me a headache or eye strain.

maingon 05-24-06 04:07 PM

i am for any film in 3d, if you get to see any in a digital theater its fantastic, Chicken Little looked awesome in 3d

devilshalo 05-24-06 04:07 PM

Fool me once, shame on you.. fool me twice, shame on me.. 3D isn't getting my money, Mr. Lucas.

Jason 05-24-06 05:36 PM

So, do you stil need the special glasses, or have they found a way around that? I wear real glasses, so I'm pretty much screwed if they do.

Drexl 05-24-06 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by Jon2
From what I've read, that shouldn't be a problem. The process allows a 3-D film to be created from an already shot 2-D film.

Lucas has already stated that all 6 ST films will get the 3-D re-release.

It will be interesting to see how well it looks. I hope it works as well as the process used for Chicken Little, which was terrific. Forgot I was wearing the glasses after a while, and it was the first time I've been able to watch a 3-D film that didn't give me a headache or eye strain.

I doubt it will look that good. With digitally animated material I would assume they render it in 3D to begin with, rather than trying to create a 3D image from a 2D image like they are doing with these. I think Episodes 2 and 3 might work better than Episode 1 because they were shot on digital video, but not as good as pure CGI.

Kal-El 05-24-06 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by Jason
So, do you stil need the special glasses, or have they found a way around that? I wear real glasses, so I'm pretty much screwed if they do.

Apparently even with the technology they're using, yes. There's 2 developing right now. Basically it involves showing 144fps and every other frame is for one eye. One of the glasses used is lcd and it basically blocks the eye which the displayed film strip isn't for. So if the current frame is for the right eye, the lcd glass turns the left eye side opaque and vice versa. They said it happens so fast that you'll hardly notice it. There's even a picture of Peter Jackson wearing them. I forgot how the other one works.

I think it's cool. I'm thinking of the first attack on the Death Star, the Speeder Bike Chase in Jedi and of course the Asteroid Chase in Empire.

Inverse 05-25-06 08:45 AM

Any process that magically transforms 2D into 3D is going to look fake--you're adding a ton of information that's just not in the original image, and it's hard to imagine how you'd do that in a way that looks natural. My guess is it will look more like a diorama than real 3D.

Of course with the prequels he can re-render all the CGI effects to get true 3D, but in the case of the original trilogy that's not an option.

This sounds like the 21st century equivalent of colorizing B&W movies to me. If Lucas wants to wow us with new technology, let him do it in with a new movie instead of constantly fiddling with his old ones.

shaggy 05-25-06 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by Inverse
Any process that magically transforms 2D into 3D is going to look fake--you're adding a ton of information that's just not in the original image, and it's hard to imagine how you'd do that in a way that looks natural. My guess is it will look more like a diorama than real 3D.

Of course with the prequels he can re-render all the CGI effects to get true 3D, but in the case of the original trilogy that's not an option.

This sounds like the 21st century equivalent of colorizing B&W movies to me. If Lucas wants to wow us with new technology, let him do it in with a new movie instead of constantly fiddling with his old ones.

You have no idea what you are talking about, this isn't the old 3-D with things coming at you. When George Lucas, James Cameron, and Peter Jackson are all blown away by the process even on old movies, I'm there. Sorry but despite what you may have heard from a bunch of idiots who only know how to use the internet to bitch, these 3 guys know how to make films.

Kal-El 05-25-06 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by shaggy
You have no idea what you are talking about, this isn't the old 3-D with things coming at you. When George Lucas, James Cameron, and Peter Jackson are all blown away by the process even on old movies, I'm there. Sorry but despite what you may have heard from a bunch of idiots who only know how to use the internet to bitch, these 3 guys know how to make films.

One thing I forgot to mention is that PJ's King Kong is one of the other movies being "3D-fied" for a re-release.

Giles 05-25-06 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by Kal-El
One thing I forgot to mention is that PJ's King Kong is one of the other movies being "3D-fied" for a re-release.

I have noted this in the past, but I think this film is meant for IMAX, Jackson should have taken Spielberg's intention of 'Jurassic Park' and released this in 1.85 or lower so that the screen would take advantage of Kong's and the Dinosaur's heights. Out of curiosity, what is your source for this news?

Terrell 05-25-06 03:53 PM


Any process that magically transforms 2D into 3D is going to look fake
Um, no! They've already shown films shot with 35mm in this new form of 3D at Showest, and the results were reportedly spectacular. The medium has nothing to do it. This is not the same crappy 3D you're used to seein back in the 80s, from everything I've read about it.

Peter Jackson is also in this group pushing 3D. That should make it more acceptable to the fanboys. If Lucas is involved, fanboys usually reject it out of hand.

Kal-El 05-25-06 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by Giles
I have noted this in the past, but I think this film is meant for IMAX, Jackson should have taken Spielberg's intention of 'Jurassic Park' and released this in 1.85 or lower so that the screen would take advantage of Kong's and the Dinosaur's heights. Out of curiosity, what is your source for this news?

The latest issue of Popular Science. I looked in the website to link there but they don't have the same article on there yet.

caligulathegod 05-26-06 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by Terrell
Um, no! They've already shown films shot with 35mm in this new form of 3D at Showest, and the results were reportedly spectacular. The medium has nothing to do it. This is not the same crappy 3D you're used to seein back in the 80s, from everything I've read about it.

Peter Jackson is also in this group pushing 3D. That should make it more acceptable to the fanboys. If Lucas is involved, fanboys usually reject it out of hand.

Because Peter Jackson actually respects his fanboys.

abintra 05-27-06 06:29 PM

Is this using the same technology that made The Polar Express IMAX 3D or is the IMAX 3D different? Wouldn't mind buying some stock into the main companies involved in this.

Looking forward to the The Nightmare Before Christmas 3D release this Halloween.

caligulathegod 05-27-06 06:53 PM

Polar Express and other CGI films are created in the computer with 3d modeling, so it's possible to slightly change the angle for the stereo vision 3d. Existing films must use a different technique, so no, it isn't the same technology.

abintra 05-27-06 06:56 PM

So the Real D releases differ from the IMAX 3D ones like Superman Returns?

Inverse 05-27-06 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by shaggy
You have no idea what you are talking about, this isn't the old 3-D with things coming at you. When George Lucas, James Cameron, and Peter Jackson are all blown away by the process even on old movies, I'm there. Sorry but despite what you may have heard from a bunch of idiots who only know how to use the internet to bitch, these 3 guys know how to make films.

There's no getting around the fact the original Star Wars films (or the live-action elements of the prequels/King Kong/whatever) contain zero zip nada NO 3D information in them. To turn them into 3D movies you have to make up that 3D information out of nothing and then stuff it into the original 2D image. Thanks to the wonders of digital technology you can probably do it ... but it will still never look as good as a 3D movie made from scratch.

I think you misunderstand my objection. The problem with, say, colorizing old black and white movies isn't just that the technology originally used in the 80s sucked (though it did.) The problem was that the original creators knew they were making a b&w movies, so they worked long and hard to make b&w look great. This led to a lot of highly specialized lighting techniques, techniques that simply don't look as good in color. Trying to cram color into those movies was pointless--it was actually making movies look worse because it was trying to make them something they were never meant to be. (The same would apply to the early 30s craze for adding dialogue and sound effects to silent movies--or for that matter the modern practice of blowing up regular theatrical movies to show on IMAX screens, which I find pointless since it usually involves hacking off a substantial part of the image.)

Same thing here. The original Star Wars trilogy were meant to be in 2D. Cramming 3D into old movies might be neat on the gee whiz technical level, but in the end it's a waste of time: no matter what you do the original Star Wars is and always will a 2D movie, just as Casablanca is a b&w movie.

If Lucas, Jackson, et. al. want to wow us with the new 3D technology then let them make new 3D movies, movies that take full advantage of the new process. I'd pay good money to see those; I won't be paying any money to see Hollywood try to squeeze some additional coin out of old movies by slapping in a gimmick that was never meant to be there in the first place.

Supermallet 05-28-06 12:35 AM

Where are these 3-D movies being shown? I have no interest in Phantom Menace in 3-D, but I'd gladly see the rest of the Star Wars films, and King Kong, etc.

Giles 05-30-06 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by Suprmallet
Where are these 3-D movies being shown? I have no interest in Phantom Menace in 3-D, but I'd gladly see the rest of the Star Wars films, and King Kong, etc.

they will be shown in the same theatres that were outfitted to playback Chicken Little in 3D.

has there been any news when we can expect to see the 3D 'King Kong'?

Michael Corvin 05-30-06 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by DRG
No, because James Cameron is the main guy behind this new 3D movement, and he'll just redo Titanic in 3D himself if the record is in danger. :)

I can only think of one scene that deserves a 3D treatment in that film. (.)(.) -other-

Michael Ballack 05-30-06 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
I can only think of one scene that deserves a 3D treatment in that film. (.)(.) -other-

I'm all for 3-d Kate Winslet titties. :eyebrow:

Terrell 05-30-06 04:30 PM


Because Peter Jackson actually respects his fanboys.
Well then, you should be excited about 3D then, as Peter Jackson is one of the guys that loves it. Of course in 20 years time, if Jackson's fans grow to be as pathetic as Lucas' fans, he won't be so respectful anymore.


There's no getting around the fact the original Star Wars films (or the live-action elements of the prequels/King Kong/whatever) contain zero zip nada NO 3D information in them.
You're not understanding this process. Simply because the film wasn't shot with any 3D, doesn't mean it can't be shown in 3D. There is a completely new process, which ILM can do, which can turn a non-3D film into a 3D film in this process. You keep thinking of old 80s technology. This new 3D is an entirely new process.

zombiezilla 05-30-06 04:35 PM

"Ow! She poked me in the eye with her nipple!"

Michael Corvin 05-30-06 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by Terrell
Well then, you should be excited about 3D then, as Peter Jackson is one of the guys that loves it. Of course in 20 years time, if Jackson's fans grow to be as pathetic as Lucas' fans, he won't be so respectful anymore.



You're not understanding this process. Simply because the film wasn't shot with any 3D, doesn't mean it can't be shown in 3D. There is a completely new process, which ILM can do, which can turn a non-3D film into a 3D film in this process. You keep thinking of old 80s technology. This new 3D is an entirely new process.

Yeah. New shit has come to light, man.

MJG87 05-30-06 06:28 PM

Oh yes I've been waiting for Jar Jar in 3-D!! -biggrin-


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