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Old 12-28-05 | 01:37 AM
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I definitely would have cut some of the stuff near the end,
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including the scene where Bana making love to his wife is interspersed with the final scenes of slaughter at Munich airport. It just didn't work for me. Also the final scene of Bana arguing with Geoffrey Rush with the World Trade Center in background was clumsy, the movie seemed to have run out of gas 10 or 15 minutes before that
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I TOTALLY agree with you about the love scene and I really can't figure out what it was supposed to mean. But I felt that the final scene with G.Rush at the very end was great. It had some very well written dialog to go along with the wonderful acting - and I thought the insertion of the WTC was anything but clumsy - it might be a bit heavy-handed, but it's the movie's thesis. But, yeah, most of the cuts should come from the end.
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Yeah, I was probably a little harsh in describing the WTC scene. I guess what I felt was clumsy about it was that it seemed like they were making that point for about the last half hour of the movie, maybe with some better editing, it seemed like it would have had more of an impact. Kushner isn't exactly known for his subtlety though....


I liked the attention to detail - they had a movie poster up for Le Magnifique in the background - a great French film from 1972 about a fictitious spy - read into that what you like...
Yeah, I started looking at the movie posters too! I think in "London" I saw a poster for "The Sting" which given the 'everything is not what it seems' plot, seems very appropiate!
Old 12-28-05 | 11:56 AM
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What was the significance of the WTC scene? It was 1972/73 and it was still new, so one would expect it to be there. Maybe there was something in the dialogue I missed, as I was ready to leave at that point.
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Ha ha I think it depends on the political lens you are viewing the movie through. However, they spend a lot of the last part of the movie talking about how the violence that they had done had just beget more violence. Framing the very last scene of the movie in front of the WTC, they are imo, trying to draw parallels to the modern fight against terrorism. In effect saying, this is how the Israelis responded to a horrific and brutal act, they were mostly successful in killing the perpetrators, but they killed innocent people, and they ended up just causing more violence. So here is the scene of another horrific act, are we making the same mistakes as the Israelis did, is history repeating itself today?

Anyway, it's the very last part of the very last scene, and the camera lingers on the towers, it was very clearly there to make a point, whether one agrees with it or not
Old 12-28-05 | 12:49 PM
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Another point they made in the discussion at the end is how all the people they killed pretty much got replaced by worse, more extreme people, on both sides - and that this sort of escalation will eventually lead to something like 9/11
Old 12-28-05 | 01:28 PM
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I'll wait for the DVD. I want to see all the guns get replaced with walkie-talkies.
Hmph! This post has been sitting here for over a week and not a soul has felt the need, nay, the obligation to quote it due to it's brilliant use of sarcastic wit.

Maybe I should've posted it to the Otter Farm instead.
Old 12-28-05 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by kenbuzz
Hmph! This post has been sitting here for over a week and not a soul has felt the need, nay, the obligation to quote it due to it's brilliant use of sarcastic wit.

Maybe I should've posted it to the Otter Farm instead.
I appreciate the humor; though I might have gone the route of the actual terrorists in the movie being replaced by hippie stand-ins.
Old 12-28-05 | 04:17 PM
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... actual terrorists in the movie being replaced by hippie stand-ins.
Okay, now that made me laugh.
Old 12-28-05 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by misterchimpy
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including the scene where Bana making love to his wife is interspersed with the final scenes of slaughter at Munich airport.
That was my favorite scene in the film. I thought it was brilliant.
Old 01-07-06 | 07:31 PM
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Just saw this last night in a packed house, which I didn't expect. I found it gripping yet meandering, especially near the end.

The scene where
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Avner is making love to his wife w/ the killing of the hostages
seemed like an odd choice. It seems to me that
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Avner's wife wants to make love to reassure him that he is safe and that she loves him, but he can't respond to that; he doesn't know how to respond to that now. He can't tell her this of course, so he goes along with the sex, but he has no love to fuel this act. He calls forth the only emotions that he can feel right now; rage, loss, and grief. Rage at the initial events that got him caught up in this mess, the deaths of his compatriots, and rage striking out against his ever growing fear that a retrebutive strike against his family is unavoidable.


It is a very risky and polarizing scene of a risky and polarizing film, IMHO. I loved the casting in this film. The entire tragedy plays out as vividly on Eric Bana's eyes as on a screen. Ciaran Hinds was wonderful(he is great at ethnic character roles), and Matthiew Kassovitz's toymaker turned bombmaker was very stirring. I also liked the two french information agents. The scene where
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the little girl runs back into the apartment unseen by the assassins and answers the phone
was very gripping as well.

I give it a 4.5/5 the pacing and editing could have been a bit better. Look forward to owning the DVD.
Old 01-08-06 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by slop101
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Another point they made in the discussion at the end is how all the people they killed pretty much got replaced by worse, more extreme people, on both sides - and that this sort of escalation will eventually lead to something like 9/11
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Yeah, that's exactly what I got out of the WTC shot at the end. 9/11 happened because it was just another step in the ever-escalating war of terrorism between Jews and Palestinians. That's the most basic interpretation of that shot; I actually think it's reaching a little too far to say that the entire movie exists to condemn our response to 9/11, because to argue that based on another nation's response to a smaller-scale terrorist act several decades ago is, well, extremely weak. One could apply the lessons learned from "Munich," definitely, but I wholeheartedly disagree with anyone who thinks that this movie exists solely in order to criticize post-9/11 American policy. Too reductive and one-sided for a movie this complex.
Old 01-08-06 | 09:26 PM
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I felt the last shot was unnecessary. As soon as I saw it linger for several moments, I rolled my eyes. It was too forced. There was enough content in the film to make the point clear already.

I also thought the possibility of American interference during one of the assassinations was very interesting.

Overall, the movie wasn't what I expected from Spielberg. And I mean that in a good way.
Old 01-10-06 | 11:29 AM
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caught the movie last night, pretty good size crowd for a monday night btw. I thought it was a pretty good movie, Everything was top notch the only thing that needed was some editing, it seemed like it was too long.the action scenes when they were commiting the hits were fantastic. Very well done, the acting and characters were all fantastic, Not something I would buy but One that I am glad I seen

3.5/5 or a B
Old 01-22-06 | 09:37 PM
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Finally caught this today and loved it. Best 2005 movie I've seen so far, though I've still got a few oscar contenders to catch up on.

Very tense in places, ultimately disturbing and left me thinking about it for hours afterwards. Bana was fantastic.

4.5/5 for me.
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i thought it was a great movie until the ending. the last maybe 30-45 mins just didn't do it for me. it seemed to switch gears and become a little cliche to me. it started out as "let's get our revenge" then became, "oh noz now we're the hunted *sob*" several characters were added that shouldn't have. they should've ended the movie with the killing of ali salameh or what ever. by the end of the movie, i just didn't care enough about avner to really care what he was going through. it all seemed just a little rushed like spielberg wanted to put so much into it but didn't give enough time to each aspect. overall, excellent first 3/4, boring drawn out ending imo.
Old 01-23-06 | 08:30 PM
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Old 02-06-06 | 11:53 PM
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I finally saw Munich for the first time tonight. I loved just about every minute of it. Great movie!

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I liked the final shot of the movie where we can see the World Trade Center Twin Towers in the background. The way he showed it was subtle enough to where it wasn't cheap or corny.


Up until this point, King Kong has been my favorite movie of 2005. But now Munich is tied. I hope one of these two movies wins best picture.

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Old 02-07-06 | 12:01 AM
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Up until this point, King Kong has been my favorite movie of 2005. But now Munich is tied. I hope one of these two movies wins best picture.
Well, you'll have to hope for Munich then, since King Kong wasn't even nominated for Best Picture.
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Well, you'll have to hope for Munich then, since King Kong wasn't even nominated for Best Picture.
Never say never!
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Old 02-15-06 | 02:18 AM
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Thought I would add my thoughts on the film. First, it was overlong with an ending that really seemed to drag. I didn't start looking at my watch until about 2 hours in, but then it seemed I was looking every 5 minutes until the end. Second, the acting, cinematography and production design was top notch.

I'm kind of torn on the story itself. It tried to be 'objective' and thought provoking, but it was done in such a cliched, trite way that it didn't resonate. The overall message seemed to be "killing is bad", which isn't exactly a novel concept. It also was "inspired by true events", but so much of it was obvious fabrication that I'm not sure how well it can be said to reflect reality. This is one of the main problem I have with any fictional, or quasi-fictional story with a political message, the facts are often just sculpted around whatever the storyteller wants to say. You could say the same thing with any other fiction, but if it is done well the 'facts' will resonate as true to life. That wasn't the case here, at least for me.
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it was overlong with an ending that really seemed to drag. I didn't start looking at my watch until about 2 hours in, but then it seemed I was looking every 5 minutes until the end.

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My exact situation. I did look 2 hours in just to see how fast this thing was flying by. I couldn't believe anything else was getting Oscar consideration(I still haven't seen Brokeback but I have all else). And then it just lulls.

I'll disagree with some who said it lacked Speilberg sentimentality, because I think the final half hour was nothing but that, just repackaged. And as a cinematic device, I can't necessarily gripe, but in a realistic situation, I doubt someone capable of ascending the ranks to such a position wrestles with the morality of killing murders. I can believe they'd wrestle with "damn, what are the implications of this for me?"

However, all in all, a strong movie, probably my top 4 all time Spielberg with Raiders, Schindlers, and Saving Private Ryan. I could have done without the blownout filtered Minority Report film stock in a few scenes, but a good watch overall.
Old 02-20-06 | 10:23 AM
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Steven Spielberg sure has a thing for fathers reuniting with their family in front of a brownstone, doesn't he?
Old 03-02-06 | 06:34 AM
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Geoffry Rush was Eric Bana's father? Stupid me missed that somehow with fucking broads talking behind me on what was probablly their movie night or something.
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Geoffrey Rush was Eric Bana's handler. He was the one who told Avner what the mission was, who was in it, etc.


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