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Old 06-13-05 | 07:32 PM
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Hi, Latinbrando here again, the person that started this thread. I'm SORRY for what I
did (Placing the word SPOILER on the THREAD) I'm new to this. Didn't know how
to post very well. Sorry that I ruined the film for everyone else. Just wanted a simple explanation of the film. I didn't see the first ten minutes of it. (Bathroom). You
know how that is!!!
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Old 06-13-05 | 09:58 PM
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I have to say, I wasn't expecting a twist, and it was a good one... BUT having said that, there's WAY too much inconsistency in the movie after you realize there is a twist... what about the truck, where'd it come from, lots of Q's like that come up... it kinda makes the movie fall apart.
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Old 06-13-05 | 10:37 PM
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I have to say, I wasn't expecting a twist, and it was a good one... BUT having said that, there's WAY too much inconsistency in the movie after you realize there is a twist... what about the truck, where'd it come from, lots of Q's like that come up... it kinda makes the movie fall apart.
Same here. The one explanation that could possible work is if its in her head, which hinges on you hearing/understanding the line "Is it recording?" at the beginning of the movies, which I still have no recollection of. (Took me a while to get used to De France's English).

If that really was such a salient point in the movie, then the director didn't do a very good job of informing the audience of it.
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Old 06-13-05 | 10:58 PM
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Well you could look at it,as everything leading up to the massacre was made up my Marie as she told her version of the story. Meanwhile in reality as shown in the film,she was off getting head with a severed head(that looks alot like Alex) and prowling towards the farmhouse for the slaughter. So she always had the truck and weapons and is just one fucked up person.

Then all the stuff between Marie following the killer and trying to save the day was her fantasic heroism imagination running wild and possibly attempting to look 'innocent' to the authorities.



If anyone has seen the film Sisters,the twist in the film has always confused myself,based on what was shown durring the split sequence section of the murder scene.

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For example,we see the lady walk into the bathroom,then passed out cold on the bathroom floor before she was able to take her medicine/pills. Then her boyfriend wakes up and heads near the person(assuming it was his girlfriend) sleeping under a cover. But it turns out to be her twin sister dressed in black(while the other lady was in white).

Anyway near the end of the film,we find out the twin was dead and the lady had a split personality.


That is all well and good,but it still does'nt explain how the murder sequence was edited together and what was shown. So you could say De Palma was 'cheating' durring the sequence and that the twist is implausible with what was shown. But I'm sure it might be able to be explained in some way. Yet it still makes me say "What????" when I see the film and watch how the murder sequence is edited together.


Anyway I can understand how the twist in HT can confuse and or piss people off who refuse to look at it any other way besides a 'major inconsisitent plot hole'. Yet it seems fairly plausible to myself(once you look at my take) and did not 'ruin' the film for me. In fact I enjoyed the film from begining to end.

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Old 06-14-05 | 07:29 AM
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How about not giving away that there is a twist in the thread title? Sheesh. Now I know I will be looking/expecting it.
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Old 06-14-05 | 12:54 PM
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I look at it the same way I look at Mulholland Drive. Half of the movie is purely in the imagination of Marie. Marie didn't go home with Alex. She was waiting for her. In Mul. Drive, Naomi Watt's character imagines her life if everything she wanted were true (she was a great actress, the woman she was obsessed with relied on her to solve her problems, instead of her actual dumpy apartment, she got to live, rent free, in her aunt's great place...) I took the same thing away from High Tension. Marie (or the other personality of Marie) was obsessed with Alex (the same way she -or he- was obsessed with the other girls in the pictures in her truck visor.) She imagined her life if she were Marie's friend and confidant. For instance, Marie thought so much of her that she would put a picture of her on her families mantle...


That's just my take. I think it was left ambiguous so as to incourage discussion and argument, but it's seemed to cause quite a bit of anger.

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Old 06-14-05 | 12:58 PM
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Actually, I like that take kurupt, not bad... that makes more sense than anything else I've heard on this thread so far (IMO of course).
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Old 06-14-05 | 09:44 PM
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I knew there was going to be a twist way before I ever saw the movie. As many have said, it is mentioned in every review or article I have read about the movie and in the TV ads I have seen for it. So from the moment Marie woke up and said that she was having a dream where she was chasing herself, I kind of thought, "Oh, she must be the killer."

But once the movie got going, I decided that couldn't be right because she was interacting with her environment while he was killing others. Like when you could hear him stalking through the house, she was moving the dresser, so I thought I must be wrong. I kept going back to my original theory though, but would be proved wrong again, like when the gas attendant looked over at Marie and then was killed.

It wasn't until a day or so later, after watching the film and letting it soak in, that I decided I must have just watched a story with an unreliable narrator, and upon looking at this thread, I got the affirmation I was looking for. I had forgotten the "Are you recording?" line in the beginning. So we WERE being treated to a story being told by an unreliable narrator, much like The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari for all you silent film buffs. All of the Marie exploits were just fabrications of her mind to justify her actions, make herself look like a hero, when in actuality she was just waiting for her chance to strike and was in her own death truck, rather than driving with a friend.

The longer the time from when I saw the film, the more I accept the ending. When I first watched it, I really was enjoying but kind of groaned at the twist, but now I don't mind it so much and am looking forward to maybe even examining it again.
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Old 10-11-05 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie Walker
Not placed in spoiler warning since this whole thread is about the twist in the film,which is a spoiler anyway. So read at your own risk










Spoiler:
Also you can say Marie was telling her distored version of things since she asked "Are you recording?" at the very begining,which points to her being interviewed in the mental ward.

So yes the murders are real,they really happened,but certain other things were made up(ie-Marie tracking down the killer,which is just her save the day fantasy in her twisted mind).




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This is exactly what happened - there was no "struggling with herself"

Excellent movie.........loved every second of it.
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Old 10-11-05 | 10:02 PM
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I loved it too. Up until the twist ending. Most. Unnecessary. Twist. Ever! It's just so stupid! It's like what they did with Jeepers Creepers. They built up a great start just so they could flush it down the drain with some "fresh ideas".
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Old 10-12-05 | 07:53 AM
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I loved it too. Up until the twist ending. Most. Unnecessary. Twist. Ever! It's just so stupid! It's like what they did with Jeepers Creepers. They built up a great start just so they could flush it down the drain with some "fresh ideas".
It's NOT a twist end. If you listen in the beginning you can easily see
Spoiler:
she is telling a false story
the whole way through.
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Old 10-12-05 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Rival11
It's NOT a twist end. If you listen in the beginning you can easily see
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she is telling a false story
the whole way through.
haven't seen it, and dont plan to... so please explain.
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Old 10-12-05 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Cygnet74
haven't seen it, and dont plan to... so please explain.
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in the beginning we see a back view of her in her hospital gound, a red light from a camera in front of her, and she then says "are you recording" it then cuts to a scene of her running through the woods and this is the beginning of her telling of the story on what happened. You find out in the last 15 minutes of the film that her story is a lie.

It is easy to catch though, I already pretty much knew it was her from the start but the filmmakers throw some crafty elements in to try and make you forget and dismiss it all together BUT it STILL works and makes complete SENSE in the end. Also, even though I pretty much figured it out, when the end does arrive, the film is bumped up to a new level upon the reveal - it really works well.


I'm not bashing anyone but I have no idea why people are so pissed about this, it's such a great horror flick and works on so many levels. I know you say you're prob. not going to see it but I highly reccommend that you do if you're a fan of horror movies.
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Old 10-12-05 | 12:21 PM
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honestly, if i had saw this thread title before i watched the movie the other night i would have been pissed. luckily, i didn't and watched the movie not knowing anything which was great, even though the ending had been done before, at least i was surprised at it and liked the film a lot.
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Old 10-12-05 | 12:39 PM
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I think I read that Dean Koontz wrote a novel called INTENSITY that was based on this movie. So, I guess if you read the book you'll find all the answers to your questions.
I have read Intensity but haven't seen High tension. When I saw the trailer for High tension the other day I was thinking that this movie must be based on the novel.

However, regarding the book:

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There is no twist. There is an actual homicidal maniac and a separate heroine
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Old 10-12-05 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Rival11
It's NOT a twist end. If you listen in the beginning you can easily see
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she is telling a false story
the whole way through.
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Why can you see that? She could have easily been telling the truth...

In the end, I agree with the sentiment that the film's twist was lame. I felt the exploitative and thriller elements were fantastic. This great film, that wholly lived up to the name high tension, only to have most of that deflated by an inane twist ending. A traditional ending would've suited the film far better...the twist doesn't do anything to explore the character, it doesn't really jive with the plot of the bulk of the film in any logical way (besides simply saying it doesn't make sense since it's in her head). It was just unnecessary and tired. It's only a few minutes at the end of the film, which I'll happily ignore. I still quite enjoyed the film, cause I love me a solid slasher film. But egads...while I can sit there and explain the ending, it was just totally unnecessary. What a great way to kill the tension on a second viewing then by telling the audience "hey, she's not in any danger to begin with! she's the one doing all of it!"

Oh well...besides that twist i think it's a great horror film.
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Old 10-12-05 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Perkinsun Dzees
I think I read that Dean Koontz wrote a novel called INTENSITY that was based on this movie. So, I guess if you read the book you'll find all the answers to your questions.
I think you got that backwards, since Intensity came out in 96 High Tension came around 7 years later. IMDB says High Tension is a remake of the TV adaption of Intensity. To me it just seems like it was Intensity and
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put together. I did enjoy the film though.
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The main girl in that movie has a great rack
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Paradicelost was the first person that put their reference to
Spoiler:
Fight Club
in spoiler tags that I’ve seen so far. Admitted, I haven’t been following this religiously.

I’ve seen references to:
Spoiler:
Identity, Fight Club, Hide and Seek, and Sisters
Without spoiler tags.

I had the ending given to me the second I clicked on any thread involving this movie.

As far as “twist ending” goes: That’s stock for almost every genre (movie or book) these days. “Oh No!”

I think latinbrando was strung up for no good reason, by many here, looking for an excuse to appear righteously outraged.

That being said, I just saw this and enjoyed it much more, I believe, because I knew the twist. This was a very well made movie. …(IMO).
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Old 10-13-05 | 11:51 AM
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After rewatching this and hearing Rival11 POV, I really like it now, especially uncut,
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Old 10-22-05 | 04:23 AM
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In the end, I agree with the sentiment that the film's twist was lame. I felt the exploitative and thriller elements were fantastic. This great film, that wholly lived up to the name high tension, only to have most of that deflated by an inane twist ending. A traditional ending would've suited the film far better...the twist doesn't do anything to explore the character, it doesn't really jive with the plot of the bulk of the film in any logical way (besides simply saying it doesn't make sense since it's in her head). It was just unnecessary and tired. It's only a few minutes at the end of the film, which I'll happily ignore. I still quite enjoyed the film, cause I love me a solid slasher film. But egads...while I can sit there and explain the ending, it was just totally unnecessary. What a great way to kill the tension on a second viewing then by telling the audience "hey, she's not in any danger to begin with! she's the one doing all of it!"
I just rented this, and your comments echo my thoughts exactly. Especially in terms of the replay value. I thought the first 95% was absolutely incredible, though.
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I had the ending given to me the second I clicked on any thread involving this movie.

I think latinbrando was strung up for no good reason, by many here, looking for an excuse to appear righteously outraged.
I disagree. I can avoid clicking on threads about movies that I haven't seen yet. I can't avoid reading thread titles. All it would have taken is just a little bit of discretion, say by making the title: "High Tension - question about ending"

Just by reading the title, we know that there's a twist at the end, which in itself is a spoiler.
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Paradicelost was the first person that put their reference to
Spoiler:
Fight Club
in spoiler tags that I’ve seen so far. Admitted, I haven’t been following this religiously.

I’ve seen references to:
Spoiler:
Identity, Fight Club, Hide and Seek, and Sisters
Without spoiler tags.[/b]
The shitty thing about spoiler tags is that it's assumed that the spoilers are regarding the movie being discussed. I've seen High Intensity, so I've been reading the spoilers, but I've yet to see
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so now that movie is screwed for me!
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Just finished watching the movie & I was very impressed as a whole. I haven't been that uncomfortable watching a movie since Irreversible. What the hell happened to the peace-loving French?

I must agree with most everyone here that
Spoiler:
the twist ending sucks. Why, why, why? This movie was about to take a place with the ranks of Texas Chainsaw Massacre until the twist. Why couldn't it be about a solo crazy serial killer? Simplistic but it sure keeps you involved with the main character & helps you sympathize her situation. I feel repeat viewings of the movie are actually harmed by the twist. Like others, I did not notice the quick mention of the "Are you recording" question. While this may help explain the twist better, it still sucks as a plot device. Tired, tired, tired! A true serial killer without a twist would have been more unique nowadays. When will writers quit using the "split personality/it was your brother/it was a dream" shit? As you can see, I am disappointed because the first hour & 15 minutes was some of the best horror I have seen in recent years. Dammit. Still pissed.
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I didn't think the
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line gave away that much, but her
Spoiler:
dream that she was being chased by herself
telegraphed the ending. Like others here, I really enjoyed the movie right up until the big reveal.
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