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Old 05-21-05 | 01:13 AM
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Something I Don't Understand That Maybe A Star Wars Fan Can Explain

Since clones are used in the Clone War, it stands to reason that the science of cloning is pretty advanced in this galaxy. With all the limbs getting cut off in these flicks by light sabers why don't these Jedi dudes just get a cloned hand or leg to replace their missing appendages? What's up with using robotics?
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Good question. A Bacta tank might also help the grafting process. Hm.
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I wonderd why Princess Lieah or Darth Vader couldn't sense each other in episode 4?
Or why Darth Vader never sensed CEE3PO in episode 5 since he built him?
And if the Emperor can fly around like in episode 3, why didn't the emperor fly to safty when he was tossed from Darth Vader in that chamber in episode 6?
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In episode 6, I think the Emperor was stunned when Vader grabbed him and threw him down that shaft. Also, he may have been concentrating all of his power into his force lightning which probably left him vunerable.
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Like many things in the SW Universe....Lucas simply didn't think it out that far and for the most part fans accept it. I would say it's not major plot point but then again Robotic hands do show the similar paths both Father and Son went down.....
Old 05-21-05 | 09:21 AM
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Cloning is a different process than amputation/reattachment, unless the clones are grown as a kit. I don't recall seeing "some assembly required" on any clonetrooper armor.

Plus, the clones are made by an obscure, secretive, society that was not part of the Republic and few people had even heard of them (their system was even removed from the Jedi Archives). Maybe the technology isn't as readily available as one would think.

And perhaps Palpatine's predecessors were were christian conservatives who had cloning research banned in the Republic.
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And perhaps Palpatine's predecessors were were christian conservatives who had cloning research banned in the Republic.

OR CC's who said the Government shouldn't pay for it but if you want to do it with Private funds knock yourself out.....
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Or why Darth Vader never sensed CEE3PO in episode 5 since he built him?
Who's to say he didn't? Maybe he just didn't care
Old 05-21-05 | 11:12 AM
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I'd prefer the uber arm over Jango's lousy shooting anyday.
Old 05-21-05 | 11:55 AM
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Or why Darth Vader never sensed CEE3PO in episode 5 since he built him?
Actually, if you noticed, when Chewbacca has C-3PO strapped to his back in the "Carbon Freezing Scene" in ESB, Bobba Fett almost shoots Chewy at one point, but is stopped by Vader. Was Vader trying to save Chewy or C-3PO who was strapped to his back???
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Lucas simply didn't think it out that far and for the most part fans accept it.
This is one question Lucas didn't need to think out? Who cares.

Listening to one silly question after another that gets asked on this board, proves that there is no way Lucas or anyone could have answered all of the questions people come up with, most of which are questions that don't need answering, or are just too plain silly to worry about.

He could have answered every question, and fans would come up with 50 news questions.
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Well, when Obi Wan and Yoda are talking in ESB and Kenobi says that Luke 'is our only hope', why did Yoda have to remind him that 'no, there is another' when Kenobi is fully aware of the twins existance?

And if in RofJ, Hayden's image is now seen, why isn't Obi Wan converted back to Ewan's image? And does Obi Wan fail in his task in reaching Qui Gon since he only consults Yoda in ESB and RotJ?
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Originally Posted by wm lopez
I wonderd why Princess Lieah or Darth Vader couldn't sense each other in episode 4?
Leia is relatively weak with the force, at least according to the SW books... she probably wasn't giving off a force aura like Luke did. Also, Leia didn't know herself, so she couldn't be 'betrayed' by her feelings.

And if the Emperor can fly around like in episode 3, why didn't the emperor fly to safty when he was tossed from Darth Vader in that chamber in episode 6?
my theory has always been that when Vader grabbed him in Ep 6 it was a 'my hand is wrapped around your spinal column' type of grab... which did serious damage... combine that with being focused on Luke/lightning and the Emporer was toast.

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Well, when Obi Wan and Yoda are talking in ESB and Kenobi says that Luke 'is our only hope', why did Yoda have to remind him that 'no, there is another' when Kenobi is fully aware of the twins existance?
Apparently, Yoda thought Leia had some real force power (enough to be useful agaist the sith) and Obiwan didn't see that in her.

And if in RofJ, Hayden's image is now seen, why isn't Obi Wan converted back to Ewan's image?
When ObiWan dies he is on the light side of the force... the oldman image of him is the one that should be seen in the ghost. Hayden is the image of Anakins light-side connection, so he is shown... not the dark/cooked/evil Vader.

And does Obi Wan fail in his task in reaching Qui Gon since he only consults Yoda in ESB and RotJ?
maybe he chats with Quigon and we just don't see it?

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Originally Posted by wm lopez
I wonderd why Princess Lieah or Darth Vader couldn't sense each other in episode 4?
Or why Darth Vader never sensed CEE3PO in episode 5 since he built him?
And if the Emperor can fly around like in episode 3, why didn't the emperor fly to safty when he was tossed from Darth Vader in that chamber in episode 6?
Just because you can use the Force does not mean you have ability to sense or communicate with everyone. Vader and Obi Wan have a deep connection, Vader and Leia have none.

Also you don't sense droids, they don't have brains or a soul. It is possible he recognized him but didn't care. Why would he at this point? Also as we've seen now in all the films, protocal droids are a dime a dozen.
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This is one question Lucas didn't need to think out? Who cares.

Listening to one silly question after another that gets asked on this board, proves that there is no way Lucas or anyone could have answered all of the questions people come up with, most of which are questions that don't need answering, or are just too plain silly to worry about.

He could have answered every question, and fans would come up with 50 news questions.
I agree 100%...these type of people are either bashers, nitpickers or FanATTICS, who have lived it so many times as if its a religion, they now think they could have done better.

There are two things that most people who pick apart Star Wars fail to recognize: Or they do, but simply dont care..they like to bash.

1. The MAJOR one is: These are not meant to be treated like Sci Fi from the mind of Philip K Dick, Arthur C Clark or Ray Bradbury... Matrix required thinking isnt needed for Star Wars... its a Space OPERA....ie..GRAND themes are meant to be played out, not the intricacies... SW are also SERIALS....ie..like Flash Gordan... again, they arent meant to make one think like a sci fi movie like 12 Monkeys does, etc.. its slightly deeper than fluff, with enough surface level stuff to have kept it going for 28 years, without the need for examining (at least critically) every unanswered question. Just like you dont go to a Jackie Chan movie to see and hear a Citizen Kane approach to film making, one doesnt go to Star Wars to expect, 12 Monkeys or Matrix type thought. Its really that simple. My god, I know people who drooled over THE PUNISHER, MORTAL COMBAT and DUNGEONS & DRAGONS, and yet act smug toward Star Wars! HELLO..MC FLY!!!!!??????

2. I havent yet come upon a major plot hole in the entire saga that couldnt be reasonably explained by my own interpretation and not needing to really stretch my own levels of plausibility to fill in gaps... which I think Lucas would expect people to be able to do...I never even had to read the so called "EU" to get backstory stuff...never read any of the books...the movies are enough for me and I've never had a problem or serious issues with plot.

Is Star Wars as a whole "perfect"? Nope..is the OT "perfect"? Nope..is the PT "perfect"? nope... is ANY movie "perfect"? NOPE...BUT.. here, we have a series that has spanned 28 years and 6 movies and has LESS plot holes than many 2 hour movies or movies that just have one sequel! THAT is amazing and should be commended by film FANS and not nit picked as if Star Wars owes people an answer tied with a bow on it for every single nuance in the series. Thats unfair and crazy....to them I say...drop the Light Saber and back away from the series...remove your Darth Vader Mask and breath some fresh air...you've been too engrossed for far too long.. single? get LAID...are you married? Take out the wife and go miniature golfing or something....rent The Matrix or Memento, or 12 Monkeys..see em all... TWICE.... freak out...enjoy them, THEN come back and realize the grand simplicity that is Star Wars and hopefully/maybe have a fresh appreciation for it once again.

I like to challenge my friends who do that crap (not just critique for the fun of something ya love like some SANE people do..but hardcore ripping on the series and Lucas himself as if he were the anti christ) to tell me their ultimate favorite film, give me a day and I bet I can come back with at least 1 ..but probably 3 plot holes or things that dont make sense.... I never get taken up...they just shoot back that I must be a paid hack or a Lucas balllicker...and yet they KNOW ME... they cant even hear their own illogic when it comes to bashing, or nit picking on Star Wars..they miss the BIG picture every time.
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I always thought that Ben said "That boy is our last hope" because they were pretty sure that Leia was dead by that point.
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The only thing that really bothered me was that it seemed Anakin got thrown in that life support suit on the spot pratically, now cut to Empire Strikes back and Luke spends a good amount of time in a bacta tank when he got injured. Did they just not exist at that point or am I missing something?
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Its considered a sort of lateral montage..but not necessarily in real time to what is happening...its kinda like the end of Mary Shellys Frankenstein..when Victor is rushing thru everything to bring his bride back to life. We know it all took much longer, but it was in sort of a non real time montage. There were a few films to do this this but I can only recall Frankenstein right now.
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Don't the clones age at a faster rate than humans? Then that would make cloning of limbs near impossible.
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Or why Darth Vader never sensed CEE3PO in episode 5 since he built him?
I was under the impression that one could not sense the non-living through the force. Robots, droids, etc.

As far as Vader is concerned it is just a similar protocol droid to the one he had growing up. It's like if you owned a '72 Nova when you were 16 and then see one 25 years later, would you assume it was yours?
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I agree 100%...these type of people are either bashers, nitpickers or FanATTICS, who have lived it so many times as if its a religion, they now think they could have done better.

There are two things that most people who pick apart Star Wars fail to recognize: Or they do, but simply dont care..they like to bash.

1. The MAJOR one is: These are not meant to be treated like Sci Fi from the mind of Philip K Dick, Arthur C Clark or Ray Bradbury... Matrix required thinking isnt needed for Star Wars... its a Space OPERA....ie..GRAND themes are meant to be played out, not the intricacies... SW are also SERIALS....ie..like Flash Gordan... again, they arent meant to make one think like a sci fi movie like 12 Monkeys does, etc.. its slightly deeper than fluff, with enough surface level stuff to have kept it going for 28 years, without the need for examining (at least critically) every unanswered question. Just like you dont go to a Jackie Chan movie to see and hear a Citizen Kane approach to film making, one doesnt go to Star Wars to expect, 12 Monkeys or Matrix type thought. Its really that simple. My god, I know people who drooled over THE PUNISHER, MORTAL COMBAT and DUNGEONS & DRAGONS, and yet act smug toward Star Wars! HELLO..MC FLY!!!!!??????

2. I havent yet come upon a major plot hole in the entire saga that couldnt be reasonably explained by my own interpretation and not needing to really stretch my own levels of plausibility to fill in gaps... which I think Lucas would expect people to be able to do...I never even had to read the so called "EU" to get backstory stuff...never read any of the books...the movies are enough for me and I've never had a problem or serious issues with plot.

Is Star Wars as a whole "perfect"? Nope..is the OT "perfect"? Nope..is the PT "perfect"? nope... is ANY movie "perfect"? NOPE...BUT.. here, we have a series that has spanned 28 years and 6 movies and has LESS plot holes than many 2 hour movies or movies that just have one sequel! THAT is amazing and should be commended by film FANS and not nit picked as if Star Wars owes people an answer tied with a bow on it for every single nuance in the series. Thats unfair and crazy....to them I say...drop the Light Saber and back away from the series...remove your Darth Vader Mask and breath some fresh air...you've been too engrossed for far too long.. single? get LAID...are you married? Take out the wife and go miniature golfing or something....rent The Matrix or Memento, or 12 Monkeys..see em all... TWICE.... freak out...enjoy them, THEN come back and realize the grand simplicity that is Star Wars and hopefully/maybe have a fresh appreciation for it once again.

I like to challenge my friends who do that crap (not just critique for the fun of something ya love like some SANE people do..but hardcore ripping on the series and Lucas himself as if he were the anti christ) to tell me their ultimate favorite film, give me a day and I bet I can come back with at least 1 ..but probably 3 plot holes or things that dont make sense.... I never get taken up...they just shoot back that I must be a paid hack or a Lucas balllicker...and yet they KNOW ME... they cant even hear their own illogic when it comes to bashing, or nit picking on Star Wars..they miss the BIG picture every time.
THANK YOU!

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Lucas knows his own movies. The script would have been changed a long time ago if he felt it was not right.

Obi-wan is aware of the twins but since he spent so much time watching over Luke, and later sends him to Yoda, isn't it obvious that he put all his eggs in one basket? Yoda on the other hand was probably contemplating training Leia over Luke. Remember Ben had to talk him into it.

Obi-wan was probably right about Luke being the last hope anyway. Consider if Luke joins up with Sidious in ROTJ whos left around to train Leia? That is, if she even survives long enough?


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