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Old 05-22-05 | 01:26 AM
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Well, when Obi Wan and Yoda are talking in ESB and Kenobi says that Luke 'is our only hope', why did Yoda have to remind him that 'no, there is another' when Kenobi is fully aware of the twins existance?

And if in RofJ, Hayden's image is now seen, why isn't Obi Wan converted back to Ewan's image? And does Obi Wan fail in his task in reaching Qui Gon since he only consults Yoda in ESB and RotJ?
I think that if Luke wouldn't have stopped the emporer, the galaxy would be screwed. Leia would have no time to go through training and gather the fallen rebellion against the emporer, especially with a new death star. Thats why Kenobi said that Luke was the "only hope".


In ROTJ, I assume we see Hayden because, as Obi-wan said, when he became Vader, Anakin no longer existed. It was a different person. Anakin's ghost would look like Anakin Skywalker and not Darth Vader. When Obi-Wan died, he was old and grey.

Can't answer the question about Qui-Gon though.
Old 05-22-05 | 12:42 PM
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A few questions after seeing Sith (but applying to the whole series):

1) If humans have such relatively short lifespans compared to most other species, how do they have so much power?

Wouldn't it be difficult to take some 30-40 year old seriously when you're 300, 400, or even 800 years old? And considering a lot of power comes from tenure and experience it would be near impossible for a human to make much endroads in any power structure, whether it be the Jedi order OR politics. Perhaps such thinking would be considered 'specieist' in that situation, and they are more free thinkers. But that still doesn't explain why almost all the big dogs (powerwise) are human (Palpatine, Kenobi, Anakin, Mace, Padme, and later Leia, Lando).

2) Why wouldn't the presence of a Jedi cause more of a stir on 'A New Hope'?

When people find out Obi-Wan is a Jedi, people act like "Oh, a Jedi. Those old fogeys..." Ignoring whether or not they are for or against the Jedi, but it should be fairly common knowledge by this point that all the Jedi were killed and that the Empire wants it that way. Shouldn't the reaction be more like "WTF?!? A Jedi??? Holy s**t, I thought they were all dead!"

3) Shouldn't there still be a lot of beings with innate Jedi ability in Episodes 4-6?

It's been made to seem like Jedi ability is something you are born with. Even if untrained (or undiscovered) because the Jedi Order is shot down, there should still be a lot of people out there with natural Force abilities. It's not like the Force/midichlorians/whatever stopped happening because of the Emperor takign power.

4) Did Palpatine know about the twins?

Is Vader led to believe the child(ren) died with Padme because Palpatine is ignorant of the situation or was he just playing with Anakin to complete his Dark Side turn? If it's the latter, is part of Vader turning on Palpatine due to him realizing he'd been lied to? I mean, at that point everything's he done is pretty much ground in bulls**t, Dark Side or not.
Old 05-22-05 | 02:55 PM
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1) If humans have such relatively short lifespans compared to most other species, how do they have so much power?
simple numbers I think. Most of those aliens have one home world and small numbers on a few other planets, while humans have multiple planets of all or almost all human populations and have decent sized populations on the multi-species planets
Humans probably breed faster, and have a bit more of an expansionist/explorationist trait

3) Shouldn't there still be a lot of beings with innate Jedi ability in Episodes 4-6?

It's been made to seem like Jedi ability is something you are born with. Even if untrained (or undiscovered) because the Jedi Order is shot down, there should still be a lot of people out there with natural Force abilities. It's not like the Force/midichlorians/whatever stopped happening because of the Emperor takign power.
I agree. Even more so when you take the "jedi aren't supposed to marry and have kids" angle into effect. Since jedi kids aren't the source of new jedi then wiping out the jedi wouldn't stop new force users from being born
however, with no program in place to train them it really wouldn't matter. Or who knows, maybe the screening at birth program the Republic had was changed to an infanticide program under the Empire

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Old 05-22-05 | 04:11 PM
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All that technology yet they can't figure out that a woman is carrying twins until the delivery is at hand.
Old 05-22-05 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DRG

4) Did Palpatine know about the twins?

Is Vader led to believe the child(ren) died with Padme because Palpatine is ignorant of the situation or was he just playing with Anakin to complete his Dark Side turn? If it's the latter, is part of Vader turning on Palpatine due to him realizing he'd been lied to? I mean, at that point everything's he done is pretty much ground in bulls**t, Dark Side or not.
I think Palpatine knew about the twins. I think a better question maybe why didn't he do something about them sooner, but I guess he was hoping they would be turned to the Dark Side as well.

Like R2 beeping and rocking back and forth excitedly when he sees Obi Wan in Episode 4 for the first time can now be interpreted that R2 recognized Obi Wan (and Obi calling R2 "friend") in retrospect to what we seen and know from the first three episodes, the final battle between Luke/Darth/Sidious in ROTJ really takes on a new light. When Darth is looking up at the Emperor right before he hurdles him to his death, we can only guess what he is thinking. I will tend to view that scene that Darth Vader is realizing what a liar the Emperor has been all this time. I think the saddest thing now is that he never really got to say any last words to Leia.
Old 05-22-05 | 09:48 PM
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I think that if Luke wouldn't have stopped the emporer, the galaxy would be screwed. Leia would have no time to go through training and gather the fallen rebellion against the emporer, especially with a new death star. Thats why Kenobi said that Luke was the "only hope".
I think this represents the same fallacy that leads Obi Wan to assume Luke is the last hope. He assumed the person to defeat the Emperor had to be a young Jedi and would defeat the Emperor by beating him in combat.

But that's not the way things played out and Yoda probably still had some faith in the prophecy that Anakin was the chosen one. Luke was just a catalyst to get Anakin to return to the Light Side and defeat the Emperor. Either Luke or Leia could have drawn out the same emotions in Anakin and got him to stand up against the Emperor. Being a well trained Jedi wasn't an absolute necessity...
Old 05-23-05 | 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DRG
A few questions after seeing Sith (but applying to the whole series):

1) If humans have such relatively short lifespans compared to most other species, how do they have so much power?

Wouldn't it be difficult to take some 30-40 year old seriously when you're 300, 400, or even 800 years old? And considering a lot of power comes from tenure and experience it would be near impossible for a human to make much endroads in any power structure, whether it be the Jedi order OR politics. Perhaps such thinking would be considered 'specieist' in that situation, and they are more free thinkers. But that still doesn't explain why almost all the big dogs (powerwise) are human (Palpatine, Kenobi, Anakin, Mace, Padme, and later Leia, Lando).

2) Why wouldn't the presence of a Jedi cause more of a stir on 'A New Hope'?

When people find out Obi-Wan is a Jedi, people act like "Oh, a Jedi. Those old fogeys..." Ignoring whether or not they are for or against the Jedi, but it should be fairly common knowledge by this point that all the Jedi were killed and that the Empire wants it that way. Shouldn't the reaction be more like "WTF?!? A Jedi??? Holy s**t, I thought they were all dead!"

3) Shouldn't there still be a lot of beings with innate Jedi ability in Episodes 4-6?

It's been made to seem like Jedi ability is something you are born with. Even if untrained (or undiscovered) because the Jedi Order is shot down, there should still be a lot of people out there with natural Force abilities. It's not like the Force/midichlorians/whatever stopped happening because of the Emperor takign power.

4) Did Palpatine know about the twins?

Is Vader led to believe the child(ren) died with Padme because Palpatine is ignorant of the situation or was he just playing with Anakin to complete his Dark Side turn? If it's the latter, is part of Vader turning on Palpatine due to him realizing he'd been lied to? I mean, at that point everything's he done is pretty much ground in bulls**t, Dark Side or not.
1. Because we as an audience can relate to human characters better. Also, there's no indication that humans have a very limited lifespan like they do in our world. It could also be possible that other alien species take much more time to reach maturity.

2. I think that part of the attitude of the post-Republic SW world ruled by the Empire is that the Jedi are losers, and that they not only betrayed the Emperor, they allowed him to get his seat of power.

3. There's no evidence that there is not. In the EU there's plenty of stories of untrained force-wielders.

4. Palpatine probably doesn't know about the twins since he makes no mention of Leia ever. And Anakin wasn't tricked. He did it all to himself. Palpatine never told him to kill Padme.
Old 05-23-05 | 08:28 AM
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All that technology yet they can't figure out that a woman is carrying twins until the delivery is at hand.
They never checked technologically cause they were afraid to.

Though it is strange that Anakin, Palpatine, and Obi Wan, never sensed twins. I guess Leia must really be week with the force (which is why Obi Wan preferred to watch over Luke instead of Leia). As when Yoda spoke of another I guess after Luke the next best thing would have been Leia but she would have been much harder to train.
Old 05-23-05 | 08:37 AM
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Padme wanted to hide the fact that she was pregnant from Anakin. That means she probably wanted the bare minimum of tests done.
Old 05-23-05 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by The Bus
Padme wanted to hide the fact that she was pregnant from Anakin.
Have you seen the film? She tells him point-blank!
Old 05-23-05 | 10:27 AM
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Since clones are used in the Clone War, it stands to reason that the science of cloning is pretty advanced in this galaxy. With all the limbs getting cut off in these flicks by light sabers why don't these Jedi dudes just get a cloned hand or leg to replace their missing appendages? What's up with using robotics?
Because every time they cloned a Jedi's hand, it ended up also growing penis that was attached to it.(For the male Jedi, that is).
Old 05-23-05 | 10:53 AM
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Padme wanted to hide the fact that she was pregnant from anyone other than Anikin. That is why Anikin gets pissed when she tells Obi-wan. She didn't want people to find out that she was screwing a a Jedi. So she probably didnt have any medical checks done.
Old 05-23-05 | 11:52 AM
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Here's a question I had about the clones, how come they're good shots in Ep 2-3, but by time they get to the OT, they can't fight for shit?
Old 05-23-05 | 12:52 PM
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Here's a question I had about the clones, how come they're good shots in Ep 2-3, but by time they get to the OT, they can't fight for shit?
These are fun to try to answer. I think these new clones in IV have never really faced any real action since the Empire has been in power for the last 20 years. They've never had to battle any jedi like the previous generation of clones. So they suck because they've never had to be any good, and probably the lack of a good training program.
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Here's a question I had about the clones, how come they're good shots in Ep 2-3, but by time they get to the OT, they can't fight for shit?
"You know how when you make a copy of a copy, it's not as sharp as... well... the original."
Old 05-23-05 | 01:05 PM
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Here's a question I had about the clones, how come they're good shots in Ep 2-3, but by time they get to the OT, they can't fight for shit?
Also, Jango was a flawed source in some respects. Remember when he bonks his head on the door in Ep. 2?
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Here's a question I had about the clones, how come they're good shots in Ep 2-3, but by time they get to the OT, they can't fight for shit?
Presumably, it is because the Emperor stopped using clones.
Old 05-24-05 | 10:53 AM
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I heard that it was an honor to have yourself or a family member used as clone material in return for favor to the empire. Coulld you imagine all the half-wit source material we would have if we allowed Senators, Congressmen and ex-Presidents to use their sons as clone source? Imagine a platoon of George W.s running around the universe.

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