Clerks II (2006, D: Kevin Smith)
08-28-04 | 06:16 AM
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As far as I'm concerned, Smith has yet to prove himself as a real filmmaker beyond amateur productions of semi-witty college film-student level scripts. I think his going back to the same well is probably a safe play for him... I like a few of his films, but I don't see him going very far making big-budget hollywood films.
08-28-04 | 09:43 AM
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I think harosa is right. He has the pull and could do many things, but I think once he gets away from his family(askewniverse) it scares him a little. Afraid of failure.
08-28-04 | 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by The Cow
I've liked KS films except for Jersey Girl... Hope he is just not trying to cash in on early success.
I'd go see it, but I thought the alternate ending would have ended that story perfectly. Not sure it really has anywhere else to go...
I've liked KS films except for Jersey Girl... Hope he is just not trying to cash in on early success.
I'd go see it, but I thought the alternate ending would have ended that story perfectly. Not sure it really has anywhere else to go...
08-28-04 | 10:32 AM
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Yes, the alternate ending where
is on the Sundance cut, on Clerks X disc 2.
Spoiler:
08-28-04 | 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by ArchibaldTuttle
I hope someday he makes a comedy with different actors and characters, but I doubt that will ever happen.
I hope someday he makes a comedy with different actors and characters, but I doubt that will ever happen.
08-28-04 | 12:11 PM
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he did say in the dvdtalk interview that he was going to make a movie with a $250k budget, and then this rumor comes along with it's $250k budget......
08-28-04 | 12:53 PM
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So much for the promise and idolotry people had for this guy when he first showed up on the scene. Jay and Silent Bob was disappointing. Jersey Girl was shit and a bomb. Then he flushes whatever cred he had left down the crapper by making cutsie little "movies" for f*****g Jay Leno. Now it's back to his tired dick-n-fart joke universe where he feels safe. I'll pass.
08-28-04 | 01:22 PM
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Wow, so much hate for Kevin Smith on this board. Who all shiat in your cereals this morning? BOOOONG! Maybe you should all loosen up by going into the back of a Volkswagon. 
Kevin Smith is still one of my favorite directors and I've loved every film he's been apart of (including the trainwreck known as Jersey Girl). If he wants to go back to the well again for a "direct" sequel to Clerks, then more power to him. He knows all his fans will be there opening weekend, and it's not like the film is expensive to produce. With the cult audience Smith has been attracting in the past ten years, I'm sure the film will turn it's profit come day one (that is if Miramax gives it a wide release).
And if you people want Smith to do other things, then all you motherfuckers should've went to see Jersey Girl instead of blowing it on such fine films like Taking Lives, Home on the Range, and Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed. If Jersey Girl would've turned profit in theaters, I'm sure he'd be on his way doing Green Hornet and Fletch now, hmmm?
Kevin Smith is still one of my favorite directors and I've loved every film he's been apart of (including the trainwreck known as Jersey Girl). If he wants to go back to the well again for a "direct" sequel to Clerks, then more power to him. He knows all his fans will be there opening weekend, and it's not like the film is expensive to produce. With the cult audience Smith has been attracting in the past ten years, I'm sure the film will turn it's profit come day one (that is if Miramax gives it a wide release).
And if you people want Smith to do other things, then all you motherfuckers should've went to see Jersey Girl instead of blowing it on such fine films like Taking Lives, Home on the Range, and Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed. If Jersey Girl would've turned profit in theaters, I'm sure he'd be on his way doing Green Hornet and Fletch now, hmmm?
08-28-04 | 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by Matthew Chmiel
And if you people want Smith to do other things, then all you motherfuckers should've went to see Jersey GirlIf Jersey Girl would've turned profit in theaters, I'm sure he'd be on his way doing Green Hornet and Fletch now, hmmm?
And if you people want Smith to do other things, then all you motherfuckers should've went to see Jersey GirlIf Jersey Girl would've turned profit in theaters, I'm sure he'd be on his way doing Green Hornet and Fletch now, hmmm?
08-28-04 | 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by Matthew Chmiel
And if you people want Smith to do other things, then all you motherfuckers should've went to see Jersey GirlIf Jersey Girl would've turned profit in theaters, I'm sure he'd be on his way doing Green Hornet and Fletch now, hmmm?
And if you people want Smith to do other things, then all you motherfuckers should've went to see Jersey GirlIf Jersey Girl would've turned profit in theaters, I'm sure he'd be on his way doing Green Hornet and Fletch now, hmmm?
08-28-04 | 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by Rivero
So we should all go see a lazily written piece of shit and piss-poor attempt at going mainstream just so he'll get financing for future projects? Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Maybe, if Jersey Girl were actually good that would've been incentive to see it.
So we should all go see a lazily written piece of shit and piss-poor attempt at going mainstream just so he'll get financing for future projects? Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Maybe, if Jersey Girl were actually good that would've been incentive to see it.
And did you even see the film?
08-28-04 | 01:32 PM
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Jersey Girl wasn't all that BAD. If it had been a comedy directed by another director or perhaps starring different people, it may have actually pulled in better box office. What disappointed me with the movie is that Kevin Smith also did Dogma and Chasing Amy. Both of those movies, IMO, were quite different from his other movies and stood very well alone. He does not just have rehashes of Clerks in him, and he has also written some brilliant comics that were not Clerks. But the same mind that created those movies that were different and fun and great also settled for a formulaic story for Jersey Girl. But Jersey Girl works for what it is, and that's a story of a family and their relationships and problems. It's a story about a dad and his son and a dad and his daughter. The love story is a subplot that fills time. But in the end it was predictable. However, I feel that Kevin Smith, as he always does, brought out some incredibly great performances in the actors he worked with.
He is afraid after that movie, though. He's passed the directing reigns over to somebody else for Green Hornet and wants to do another low budget talk-based movie, I suppose to see if he still "has it." So he's going back to what he knows works. I think if done right it could work very well, but I feel the older he gets, the more of his previous fans will be alienated. It's silly to think he should keep on making the same type of movies. Do we really want to see Jay and Silent Bob again? I don't. It would be pathetic to see 30 something actors playing those roles as if they were in their early 20s. It would be sad and pathetic, just as it's sad and pathetic if you know people like that in real life who can't get it together and grow up.
He is afraid after that movie, though. He's passed the directing reigns over to somebody else for Green Hornet and wants to do another low budget talk-based movie, I suppose to see if he still "has it." So he's going back to what he knows works. I think if done right it could work very well, but I feel the older he gets, the more of his previous fans will be alienated. It's silly to think he should keep on making the same type of movies. Do we really want to see Jay and Silent Bob again? I don't. It would be pathetic to see 30 something actors playing those roles as if they were in their early 20s. It would be sad and pathetic, just as it's sad and pathetic if you know people like that in real life who can't get it together and grow up.
08-28-04 | 01:34 PM
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However, I feel that Kevin Smith, as he always does, brought out some incredibly great performances in the actors he worked with.
08-28-04 | 02:39 PM
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Personally I believe one motivating factor was to fulfill a promise that that he made to Jason to make one more movie with Jay and Silent Bob as characters IF Jason would honestly kick his heroin habit. The only way he'd could make Jason listen. The fact that he is considereing the economics of using Hi-Def video cameras is great. Did you haters even read the premise? Some answers from Kevin at the view askew board to clarify some of your assumptions/insinuations.
- This isn't gonna be a cameo-heavy affair, a'la "Strike Back." The only returning characters are Dante and Randal, and Jay and Silent Bob.
- This isn't gonna be a star-studded affair. The biggest names in the cast are gonna be Brian O'Halloran, Jeff Anderson, and Jason Mewes.
- This isn't an "I'm not even supposed to be here today... AGAIN!"-heavy, wink-wink affair. We barely refer to the first flick (though I do love Lynch's proposed tagline of "They Still Don't Like You"; considering the tone of the script, an even more appropriate tagline would be "They Like You Even Less").
- Jay and Silent Bob have about as much screen time as they had in "Clerks." This is Dante and Randal's flick all the way.
- The title makes sense. Sure, there's a bit of cheekiness in there, but it's pretty appropriate, based on the material.
- This is the funniest thing I've ever written. It's also really poignant.
- We'll still be making a "Clerks" cartoon movie, separate of this.
- This is not a grab at the green. Saying so is kinda laughable, if you're privy to what I make per film now, vs. what I'll make for this film. Part of the idea about doing "Passion" is to strip away the trappings of success we've been enjoying for the last few years, in an effort to get to the raw and pure. None of us are making our usual salaries on this flick; we're all doing it favored-nations style, with deferments. If the flick does well, we'll get paid our full-freight on the back-end. If not, we did it for the love. But if I was "all about the green", I'd be gearing up for "Hornet" or "Fletch" instead. This one's about the passion; the passion of the "Clerks."
- Some of the key players from the "Clerks" saga who've already read the 143 page first draft: Mos, Jeff, Brian, John Pierson, Bob Hawk. Jay's reading the new, refined 119 page second draft this week. Once they were all on board, any doubt or hesitation I might've felt about monkeying with the original's legacy disappeared completely.
- This isn't about "Jersey Girl." While disappointed that we didn't do double the theatrical business we crawled to, I understand why what happened to that flick happened (considering how poorly "Gigli" did, I consider us kinda lucky that we got to 25m). If this is a reaction to anything, it's more of a reaction to "Green Hornet", and the trajectory my budgets have been taking lately. Before (and if) I direct "Hornet", I wanted to do something small and more me-like. While working on the "Clerks X" dvd, it became clear to me that "Passion" was the way to go.
- We almost did this flick three years ago, instead of "Strike Back." I'm glad we didn't, because I was able to say much more now than I would've then.
- There are gonna be lots of folks expressing disappointment or downright hostility with the idea of this movie. Let 'em vent. If it's all that bad, Xtian will just sweep it off the board. But the last thing I'm interested in is opinions on what I'm doing this early in the process, if at all. The beauty of making that first flick was being able to do it in a vacuum. Granted, I could've kept my mouth shut about it 'til we were done shooting; but with "Clerks X" coming out, it just felt right to share. Regardless - I don't want folks running here with reports of what's being said about the idea of this film at other boards. Don't waste your/my time with the braying of the jackasses. There's not even a movie to bray about yet. Once there is, if you still still feel the need to tell me what some random, knuckle-headed Talk Backer has to say about the finished product, then God bless. But until then, leave it in the locker room.
- Oh, who am I kidding? This flick makes me so happy, I'm not even bothered by the bitching (could still be even happier without it, though). I'm in love with this flick. If other folks aren't, I can't really say I'm concerned. I've read the script; they haven't. I have the benefit of insight into the flick beyond the title and the notion of it; they don't. The reaction is pretty much what I thought it'd be: a ton of positive, and minimal amount of bitching. Even if the equation was reversed, I'd still feel as good as I do now.
- At this point in my life, this flick makes absolute fucking sense.
- I can't wait to shoot it, and I can't wait 'til you all see it.
- This isn't gonna be a cameo-heavy affair, a'la "Strike Back." The only returning characters are Dante and Randal, and Jay and Silent Bob.
- This isn't gonna be a star-studded affair. The biggest names in the cast are gonna be Brian O'Halloran, Jeff Anderson, and Jason Mewes.
- This isn't an "I'm not even supposed to be here today... AGAIN!"-heavy, wink-wink affair. We barely refer to the first flick (though I do love Lynch's proposed tagline of "They Still Don't Like You"; considering the tone of the script, an even more appropriate tagline would be "They Like You Even Less").
- Jay and Silent Bob have about as much screen time as they had in "Clerks." This is Dante and Randal's flick all the way.
- The title makes sense. Sure, there's a bit of cheekiness in there, but it's pretty appropriate, based on the material.
- This is the funniest thing I've ever written. It's also really poignant.
- We'll still be making a "Clerks" cartoon movie, separate of this.
- This is not a grab at the green. Saying so is kinda laughable, if you're privy to what I make per film now, vs. what I'll make for this film. Part of the idea about doing "Passion" is to strip away the trappings of success we've been enjoying for the last few years, in an effort to get to the raw and pure. None of us are making our usual salaries on this flick; we're all doing it favored-nations style, with deferments. If the flick does well, we'll get paid our full-freight on the back-end. If not, we did it for the love. But if I was "all about the green", I'd be gearing up for "Hornet" or "Fletch" instead. This one's about the passion; the passion of the "Clerks."
- Some of the key players from the "Clerks" saga who've already read the 143 page first draft: Mos, Jeff, Brian, John Pierson, Bob Hawk. Jay's reading the new, refined 119 page second draft this week. Once they were all on board, any doubt or hesitation I might've felt about monkeying with the original's legacy disappeared completely.
- This isn't about "Jersey Girl." While disappointed that we didn't do double the theatrical business we crawled to, I understand why what happened to that flick happened (considering how poorly "Gigli" did, I consider us kinda lucky that we got to 25m). If this is a reaction to anything, it's more of a reaction to "Green Hornet", and the trajectory my budgets have been taking lately. Before (and if) I direct "Hornet", I wanted to do something small and more me-like. While working on the "Clerks X" dvd, it became clear to me that "Passion" was the way to go.
- We almost did this flick three years ago, instead of "Strike Back." I'm glad we didn't, because I was able to say much more now than I would've then.
- There are gonna be lots of folks expressing disappointment or downright hostility with the idea of this movie. Let 'em vent. If it's all that bad, Xtian will just sweep it off the board. But the last thing I'm interested in is opinions on what I'm doing this early in the process, if at all. The beauty of making that first flick was being able to do it in a vacuum. Granted, I could've kept my mouth shut about it 'til we were done shooting; but with "Clerks X" coming out, it just felt right to share. Regardless - I don't want folks running here with reports of what's being said about the idea of this film at other boards. Don't waste your/my time with the braying of the jackasses. There's not even a movie to bray about yet. Once there is, if you still still feel the need to tell me what some random, knuckle-headed Talk Backer has to say about the finished product, then God bless. But until then, leave it in the locker room.
- Oh, who am I kidding? This flick makes me so happy, I'm not even bothered by the bitching (could still be even happier without it, though). I'm in love with this flick. If other folks aren't, I can't really say I'm concerned. I've read the script; they haven't. I have the benefit of insight into the flick beyond the title and the notion of it; they don't. The reaction is pretty much what I thought it'd be: a ton of positive, and minimal amount of bitching. Even if the equation was reversed, I'd still feel as good as I do now.
- At this point in my life, this flick makes absolute fucking sense.
- I can't wait to shoot it, and I can't wait 'til you all see it.
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08-28-04 | 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by Matthew Chmiel
And if you people want Smith to do other things, then all you motherfuckers should've went to see Jersey Girl instead of blowing it on such fine films like Taking Lives, Home on the Range, and Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed. If Jersey Girl would've turned profit in theaters, I'm sure he'd be on his way doing Green Hornet and Fletch now, hmmm?
And if you people want Smith to do other things, then all you motherfuckers should've went to see Jersey Girl instead of blowing it on such fine films like Taking Lives, Home on the Range, and Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed. If Jersey Girl would've turned profit in theaters, I'm sure he'd be on his way doing Green Hornet and Fletch now, hmmm?
08-28-04 | 07:02 PM
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Hell, I enjoyed Jersey Girl. I'm not sure what some of you had against it. Sure it was a bit sweet and it was a romantic comedy, but I thought it was well done and very enjoyable. If this movie qualifies as a "piece of shit" for some of you, I really think you haven't seen truly bad films. It wasn't groundbreaking by any stretch of the imagination, but I liked the story and the acting. Maybe it just plays better if you have children of your own? I think it was a nice step away from the stuff Kevin Smith has done in the past and disappointed that even though Smith has defended it, he seems willing to not keep trying new stuff after it's relative failure.
08-28-04 | 08:08 PM
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I DID see Jersey Girl, and it wasn't a bad movie. It was a different kind of movie than Kevin had ever done before, but it wasn't a bad movie. I will say that it was full of cliche' and sap, but what romantic comedy isn't full of cliche' and sap?
RE: Clerks 2, I don't have a problem with him going back to the well. It sounds like he is genuinely trying to do a sequel that isn't just a cookie cutter re-telling of the original.
RE: Clerks 2, I don't have a problem with him going back to the well. It sounds like he is genuinely trying to do a sequel that isn't just a cookie cutter re-telling of the original.
08-28-04 | 09:06 PM
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Badger said it best...if you think Jersey Girl was a piece of sh*t, then you have either ludicrously high standards or haven't seen that many movies.
Reading the crying and moaning about Kevin "going to the well" again makes me wonder....Who cares if he does Clerks 2,3,4, AND 5??? If you don't like him, or the idea of a sequel, DON'T GO SEE THE MOVIE.
Seems pretty simple.
Reading the crying and moaning about Kevin "going to the well" again makes me wonder....Who cares if he does Clerks 2,3,4, AND 5??? If you don't like him, or the idea of a sequel, DON'T GO SEE THE MOVIE.
Seems pretty simple.
08-30-04 | 04:55 AM
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I went with a large group of people to see Jersey Girl. Did I love it? Nope. But I still pretty fucking happy I spent the 7.00 to see it cause it showed my support for Kevin and the films he does. I'm bummed that his more serious film "flopped" but I'm also happy to hear about Clerks 2. I just hope that Passion Of The Clerks name is a gimmick and doesn't last.
I was just doing a blog entry and I was thinking about it would be great to hear the guys talking about the new, and crappier, Star Wars films. That would make the movie for me.
I just wonder if they'll use the real store or build a set. My wife planned a trip to
as a surprise last year.
I couldn't believe how small the store was.
The clerk there that day didn't look to happy that I was taking pictures.....I just wonder if they can find enough money to pay off the owner with that small budget. I want the real thing but some greedy SOB will probably want a ton to loan out his store.
I was just doing a blog entry and I was thinking about it would be great to hear the guys talking about the new, and crappier, Star Wars films. That would make the movie for me.
I just wonder if they'll use the real store or build a set. My wife planned a trip to
as a surprise last year.
I couldn't believe how small the store was.
The clerk there that day didn't look to happy that I was taking pictures.....I just wonder if they can find enough money to pay off the owner with that small budget. I want the real thing but some greedy SOB will probably want a ton to loan out his store.
08-30-04 | 05:56 AM
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Originally posted by scott1598
is this alternate ending somewhere on the new "Clerks X" edition?
is this alternate ending somewhere on the new "Clerks X" edition?
I think it's a great idea and I'm all up for it. More clerks is good stuff.
08-30-04 | 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by Joem
[B]...if you think Jersey Girl was a piece of sh*t, then you have either ludicrously high standards or haven't seen that many movies.
[B]...if you think Jersey Girl was a piece of sh*t, then you have either ludicrously high standards or haven't seen that many movies.
Most critics hated it, and so do people who are tired of films riddled with cliches.
