Spiderman 3 to be the last
10-11-04, 04:17 PM
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If they really want to take a comic book approach, then let Raimi finish his story, wait a while, and then start again with some sort of re-imagining scenario. It was and still is very common in comics to have a particular writer or artist on board for a couple of arcs then switch gears with another team. Once they change staff, the story picks up where it left off, but is a totally different animal as well.
I just hope they don't take the Spidey of the 90s approach where they make him a stud and then as soon as a new director takes the reins for 4, they slap together a story with Venom for the sake of having it. (Raimi stated that Venom would never be a character under his watch.)
I just hope they don't take the Spidey of the 90s approach where they make him a stud and then as soon as a new director takes the reins for 4, they slap together a story with Venom for the sake of having it. (Raimi stated that Venom would never be a character under his watch.)
10-11-04, 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by fumanstan
I think that's a poor way of looking at costs to assume the movie budget will rise like that with each installment.
Anyway, haven't we heard before that it was Raimi who didn't want to do anymore then 3? I find it hard to believe that its the studio wanting to slow things down.
I think that's a poor way of looking at costs to assume the movie budget will rise like that with each installment.
Anyway, haven't we heard before that it was Raimi who didn't want to do anymore then 3? I find it hard to believe that its the studio wanting to slow things down.
Sony's thinking of sequels is that if a film made 60 million on a 20 million budget, they should up the budget for the next film to 60 million so they could make 120. Looking at it's other films that fell face down. It doesn't always work.
In any case, I wasn't under the impression that raimi was being pushed out. From all the interviews and discussions on the matter he had at various cons he made it pretty clear that he needs to move on to something else afterwards. That spiderman is a big time consumer and doesn't really allow him to do much else. Other than, say tag his name on a film here and there as producer.
10-12-04, 06:31 AM
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It seems ridiculous to drop a franchise that's making the ludicrous amount of money this one has made in it's first two installments.....hell, it was a tentpole for the year...BOTH movies are listed in the all time moneymakers. Why would they even dream of ending the series here? With that kind of logic, best to stop the Harry Potter and Shrek movies now, before another installment is released!
10-12-04, 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by Kant
If this is the last, I really really hope that Venom is the vilain! That would br really cool!
If this is the last, I really really hope that Venom is the vilain! That would br really cool!
GEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!! Have you not read ANYTHING Raimi has said in the past three years, or other posts in this thread at least?
Raimi has stated and others have repeated time and again that Venom will NEVER be a villian as long as Raimi is in charge.
10-12-04, 11:34 AM
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It'll be the last for Raimi, that's nothing new, but Avi Arad was quoted as saying the studio wanted to do 9 of them. Heck with all the storylines in the Spider-Man comics, you could do them forever.
EDIT: Oops, maybe I should have read the article first before posting.
Maybe another studio will pick up the ball then.
EDIT: Oops, maybe I should have read the article first before posting.
Maybe another studio will pick up the ball then.
10-12-04, 02:51 PM
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if sony won't make any more after 3, avi arad will just license spidey out to another studio. he makes the final decisions. but sony will make more and more spidey films.
10-12-04, 03:30 PM
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It makes sense though for Raimi to wrap up his story arc. As I said, this isn't going to be the end of Spiderman...he's not going to die or quit being a superhero (well, I'd hope not) it would just tie up the story arc.
At that point, the series might very well need a revamp anyway. By the time Spiderman 3 comes out Tobey Maguire will be 32 years, and well...that means for part 3 and 4 he'll be in his mid to late 30s.
By all accounts the series will need to be ended or restarted cause quite frankly, Tobey would be getting kinda old. And to have Raimi's films have an arc, and also to have him do other stuff, this sounds like a good idea to me. I want Ash to come back already.
At that point, the series might very well need a revamp anyway. By the time Spiderman 3 comes out Tobey Maguire will be 32 years, and well...that means for part 3 and 4 he'll be in his mid to late 30s.
By all accounts the series will need to be ended or restarted cause quite frankly, Tobey would be getting kinda old. And to have Raimi's films have an arc, and also to have him do other stuff, this sounds like a good idea to me. I want Ash to come back already.
10-12-04, 03:48 PM
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IGN has an interview with Raimi.
From the horses mouth. He wouldn't mind doing more, it is the studio calling the shots.
IGNFF: You had mentioned that Amy Pascal is set on stopping the series with the third film. If that should change, would you want to be involved?
RAIMI: I'd love to be involved. I'd look forward to it.
IGNFF: As director?
RAIMI: As director, yeah. I love making the Spider-Man movies. I like the character, I admire him. When you write a Spider-Man movie, like any movie, you have to get into the head of the main character and imagine yourself as them, so it's a very uplifting experience, for hours every day, imagining yourself as Peter Parker. You say to yourself, 'What if I was a nobler, kinder, more self-sacrificing human being that I am?' You then start saying, 'Well, why aren't I that person?' You know, it's a very good experience and it makes you want to be more like that. So I find it a very positive personal experience working on it.
RAIMI: I'd love to be involved. I'd look forward to it.
IGNFF: As director?
RAIMI: As director, yeah. I love making the Spider-Man movies. I like the character, I admire him. When you write a Spider-Man movie, like any movie, you have to get into the head of the main character and imagine yourself as them, so it's a very uplifting experience, for hours every day, imagining yourself as Peter Parker. You say to yourself, 'What if I was a nobler, kinder, more self-sacrificing human being that I am?' You then start saying, 'Well, why aren't I that person?' You know, it's a very good experience and it makes you want to be more like that. So I find it a very positive personal experience working on it.
From the horses mouth. He wouldn't mind doing more, it is the studio calling the shots.
10-12-04, 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by jaeufraser
At that point, the series might very well need a revamp anyway. By the time Spiderman 3 comes out Tobey Maguire will be 32 years, and well...that means for part 3 and 4 he'll be in his mid to late 30s.
By all accounts the series will need to be ended or restarted cause quite frankly, Tobey would be getting kinda old.
At that point, the series might very well need a revamp anyway. By the time Spiderman 3 comes out Tobey Maguire will be 32 years, and well...that means for part 3 and 4 he'll be in his mid to late 30s.
By all accounts the series will need to be ended or restarted cause quite frankly, Tobey would be getting kinda old.
oh wait...
Toby can pull off the young look like most actors in hollywood. Age will not be a factor. Atleast not a factor that they can't work with.
10-12-04, 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Cause as we all know, Peter Parker never gets older, gets married or has childern.
oh wait...
Toby can pull off the young look like most actors in hollywood. Age will not be a factor. Atleast not a factor that they can't work with.
Cause as we all know, Peter Parker never gets older, gets married or has childern.
oh wait...
Toby can pull off the young look like most actors in hollywood. Age will not be a factor. Atleast not a factor that they can't work with.
10-12-04, 06:34 PM
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What I think should happen after SM3 is that Sony should bring in a new cast, and start with a new spider-man arc! I just don't want SM3 to be the last!!! And it will not! C'mon the movies are making serious $$$
10-12-04, 07:15 PM
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They can recast but not necessarily 'restart' the whole franchise, and try and retell the origin and what not. Similar to what Singer is trying to do with Superman.
10-12-04, 10:39 PM
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Yeah, I think the current storyline is set up very well for 3 movies, with those characters and same actors.
Maybe in the future (distant future), we'll get a whole new story arc- venom or whatever. I agree that Tobey may be too old at that point to play Spidey. At that point, if they bring in an entirely new cast for a new trilogy or whatever, I'm not sure if it'll be as good. (just because things will be so different).
Maybe in the future (distant future), we'll get a whole new story arc- venom or whatever. I agree that Tobey may be too old at that point to play Spidey. At that point, if they bring in an entirely new cast for a new trilogy or whatever, I'm not sure if it'll be as good. (just because things will be so different).
10-12-04, 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by chanster
Well Shrek is animated and the costs don't go up as much to do sequels.
Well Shrek is animated and the costs don't go up as much to do sequels.
Shrek 2 also had $30 million of its budget going to paying the three lead actors.
10-13-04, 03:25 AM
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Originally posted by jaeufraser
Honestly, I doubt Sony or the major population wants to see an older Spiderman. Sure, they could do it, but that doesn't make it a good idea, nor does it mean it's something the studio wants to do. The youthful appeal of the leads is a major reason for these films success, and I've no doubt Sony would want that to stay. Nonetheless, it's an issue, especially with Toby's sure to be rising paycheck. I just don't think a 35 or nearly 40 year old Toby Maguire can convincingly play the youthful Spiderman, and I don't think they'll want to take this character into older age with kids and things of the sort. And it makes sense to restart the franchise on a certain commercial level.
Honestly, I doubt Sony or the major population wants to see an older Spiderman. Sure, they could do it, but that doesn't make it a good idea, nor does it mean it's something the studio wants to do. The youthful appeal of the leads is a major reason for these films success, and I've no doubt Sony would want that to stay. Nonetheless, it's an issue, especially with Toby's sure to be rising paycheck. I just don't think a 35 or nearly 40 year old Toby Maguire can convincingly play the youthful Spiderman, and I don't think they'll want to take this character into older age with kids and things of the sort. And it makes sense to restart the franchise on a certain commercial level.
I think the main factor is will a reset help? I highly doubt it will be helpful to just retell the story or recast for no real reason other then to keep the cast young. the appeal will have older audience members.