Come on - you cant get the transporters to work right under the BEST of conditions. An ion storm, sunspots, mice in the wiring - any NUMBER of things knock out the transporters on a regular basis (or cause people to jump back in time, cross dimensions, get split into two, become fused with the deckplates, etc, etc)

How the hell do you expect it to work under extreme conditions like the Nexus.

This is Star Trek we're talking about. Questioning any of this is folly.

But how did Kirk get into it... umm... a... ship..

How did Soran get into it the first time... ummm.. a.. ship :P



I really do find it hilarious that someone started this thread though, that the age thing is a plot hole. That just kicks so much ass that someone actually posted that when there's so much else to choose from.

Generations is actually my favourite of the TNG films... I think it was crappy in parts (normally the parts other Trek fans think are the only good parts, but whatever ) but I think it is the most movie like of any of TNG movies. The rest seem like season premires with a bigger budget.

I like First Contact too, but I'm mad at it because B&B tried to imitate it's sucess so many times, without realising the real reasons Star Trek fans liked it

Yeah, but it was dangerous and a fluke. Sure, some people made it, but a bunch of people died too. If you were an obsessed evil genius prone to "Singin' in the Rain" while kicking ass, wouldn't you minimize personal risk?

Come on ... you guys are failing miserably here.

das

No no, I agree with you... the best way is obviously using a planet.

It's just really funny that it's also the way the characters got there the first time

I dunno ... I'd have used a ship.

das

Gah! Well, it's kind of like this... a ship would give you a good chance of getting in I think. It's how he got in before... but shit, the Nexis kicks ass and stuff right... a planet would be a little better. But damnit, to get the planet thing working, you have to work with Klingons and blow up suns and shit... that stuff takes a LONG time and it's kind of hard. I guess if Soran was a bit lazier, then he'd have just used a ship.

Curious though, what are your thoughts on the movie? what did you like and dislike?

Why do I have a feeling I'll be picking this up next time I go to Best Buy? *sigh*

That's no fun. I'd rather sit back and nitpick the nitpicks.

Honestly, I enjoyed it. It was a crazy task trying to link the two series, and they did a passable job. Not great but not terrible. I liked the way Kirk died "alone" like he "always knew" and yet not really alone. It's in the bottom half, but I enjoy watching it.

das

Ah ha, we agree on the Kirk death thing. So many people hate that. A lot of people thought he needed a grand death like Spock had. Most warriors die in "unimpressive" ways, and never in "glory." Kirk died, alone, without anyone knowing about it, saving a planet full of people who will never know his name. He is buried in a grave that no one will visit.

Yep, and no speechifying either ... as it should be.

Besides, Kirk can't die if Spock and Bones are around. "I've always known I'll die alone." I mean, it even rhymes!

das

Most deaths in the good modern Trek are not of the "grand" sort though, I've noticed. Unimpressive, sudden, pointless, alone...

I like it because it's not cliche. Not everyone gets a grand death.

The problem (ONE of the problems) with the movie is not so much what it does internaly, but what it does to the rest of the continuity.

Consider this: Whoopie's people get wiped out by the Borg, which is why she has such a negitive reaction in the first Next Gen episode with them.

But now, we find out that she (and all her people) have been hanging around for 70+ years after being pulled from the Nexus.

So, dont you think SOMETIME, in those 70-ish years, that someone in the federation might debrief these people? That someone in the survivors might say "Hey, you know - there's this race of unstoppible aliens that destroy every race the come into contact with. You might want to look out for them!"

Bah - whatever. I hate the series now with a passion.

Yes, ESPECIALLY when you have the Federation directly aiding the refugees. You would think that they'd like to know what these people were running from...

It's been established (back in S2 of TNG) from the beginning that Guinan knew about the Borg... under certain circumstances I could understand the Federation not knowing about them... but what was shown in Generations just makes no sense at all.

Why would nobody know about Kirk? I'm sure Picard will put Kirk in his report. It seems Kirk is famous enough that everyone in Picard's time knows who he is. While most people wouldn't go out to some out-of-the-way planet to see Kirk's gave, any of Kirk's crew members still alive would probably visit it to give the good-bye they never got to do earlier.

I like the part where the missle takes off from the planet and about 5 seconds later the sun blows up. Musta had a warp drive built in or something.

As much as I hate "Generations" and wish everyone had died and/or stayed in the Nexus, that would kinda negate the last 4 years of DS9 (what with Worf transferring over) - some of the best years of Trek.

Sorin should've flown into the nexus in a shuttle, then exited into a spacewalk wrapped in Kirk's toupee. Impenetrable!