Seantn

Speaking of Children of the Living Dead - You should read this letter from the director of that movie! It's very interesting to see what went on behind the scenes of that film. He posted this on IMDB based on someone bad mouthing the film...
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Dear Smashismo,

You filthy scum-sucking bastard!

I read your review on the IMDB of my masterpiee CHILDREN OF THE LIVING DEAD, and am writing to let you know you can kiss my ass!!! I know your way home from work, bub, and myself and the Abbot Hayes zombie will be paying a not-so-pleasnt visit sometime soon.

I'm serious!! You and the other pole-smokers who totally missed the point of my highly sensitive moving piece are going to pay!!! If you knew the slightest thing about film, you'd see the correlations with Bergman's SEVENTH SEAL grim reaper and Abbot Hayes, not to mention the homage to DW Griffith's INTOLERANCE and Keaton's THREE AGES in the alternating storylines that jump ahead!

...of course I'm kidding you asshole, don't get so excited.

Actually, I am writing to you to offer my sincerest apology for the 90 minutes of your life wasted watching the movie CHILDREN OF THE LIVING DEAD. I read your review on the internet and would like to thank you for understating its worthlessness.

You see, I did in fact direct CHILDREN OF THE LIVING DEAD, and you know what? It really does suck!!!!

So you're a filmmaker? Quick, find another profession that causes less stress, like painting the tops of radio towers! But if you insist, perhaps you'd like to know some of the circumstances behind the amazing CHILDREDN OF THE LIVING DEAD.

Let me address a few specific areas you mentioned:

1) we had two lens, a 25:250 and a 18mm. Later whenb I gently requested two more primes, a 50 and a 35, I was blamed for jacking up the budget with unreasonable demands. (???????)

2) the choice of shots isn't as poor as the choice the editor who re-edited made in choosing the shots. There's more to work withm he just didn't. See below

3) The robotic delivery of the lines was due mainly to the fact that all the dialogue was looped needlessly and I wasn't invited to the looping session.

4) The reason the Savini stuff works better than the rest is that once Savini's stuff was shot was whem the Karen lunacy binge kicked in full throttle.

5) Among the highlights of my brilliant cinematography team was the twomost expensive days of production when they loaded five rolls of film backwards, and shot it without realizing it, ruining precious footage.

Seriously, what can I tell you but the Executive Producer of HALLOWEEN and NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET teamed up with the co-author of the original NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD to do what was described to me as the sequel to NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD, on the same level as a RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD. Hell, who wouldn;t have jumped at the chance!

Unfortunately I was to find that if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and walks like a duck it ain’t always a duck. I was to find out later that the only connection this thing had to George Romero’s great trilogy was John Russo and the words “Living Dead”

The Exec. Producer’s daughter Karen Lee Wolf wrote a script so horribly incompetent that nearly a dozen writers and directors had walked off the project due to her obsessiveness over no changes being made to her script. In addition to being an untalented, inexperienced, uninformed---excuse me while I get my other list of adjectives --- spoiled, immature, arrogant hack.

Karen had never seen DAY OF THE DEAD or DAWN OF THE DEAD or even modern horror films like SCREAM. In fact she thought zombie movies and Fangoria fans were stupid and wouldn’t stoop to that level. So she created a level all her own to stoop to.

The Producer of HOWLING and LAWNMOWER MAN had gotten me on this thing and he immediately began pleading with me to leave the project. Every one that gopr within a three mile radius of this unreadable abomination told Karen her script ---to use Harry Knowles words “sucked a big poodle turd” She refused to listen, threatening to fire anyone who questioned her script.

Karen conned and manipulated her aging father into greenlighting her pathetic script then Joe let Karen go out to Pittsburgh to “supervise”. In her case, this meant threatening to fire anyone who changed so much as a word in her script. No shit --- we were running interference on Karen sneaking around to do the gags with Savini.

When actors told me the lines made no sense and wanted to work through the scene, Karen wouldn’t allow changes to be made.

As for Russo, I was surprised to find him not quite the idiot internet sites make him out to be and certainly doesn’t derve to be fed to one of his own zombies as the prevailing winds usually concur. . He’s basically a decent guy who should be allowed nowhere near a movie set. Sadly I must confess his reputation as a hack is well deserved. He insisted I use his DP, a 63 year old farmer named Bill Hinzman who played the cemetery zombie in the original NIGHT. Bill’s previous work was unwatchable garbage like FLESHEATER and SANTA CLAWS and though the Wolf’s knew Hinzman’s work, they told me I had to use him anyway due to Russo. I also had to use Russo’s pal Bob Michelucci as my Art Director though he had never set foot on a movie set and his experience was limited to doing sets for a softcore porno mag called SCREAM QUEENS.

Russo also insisted on shooting without an on-set art department, no Assistant Directors, no Script Supervisors, no Wardrobe department and no makeup department. Also no Production Manager. Basically we had a 9 man crew made up of friends of Russo. Also Russo said we could not afford a Generator or anything stronger than a 4K.

I didn’t shoot stuff this amateurish in film school.

Here’s the clincher --- the budget for this thing was $500,000. Lunch money by Hollywood standards, but my first film was $200,000 and when you getout of LA its possible to get at least movie of the week type quality in production value for that amount of money. But not if the Producers scoop $120,000 off the top for their back pockets, and not if the Producer (Russo) pays his friends ridiculously high salaries.

I will always maintain that a lack of money is no excuse for poor production value. Deals can be made and favors called in, and if not then you can get creative with the lighting style and create your own scheme. In any event, half a million bucks is PLENTY of money to pull in a good-looking movie.

Though I had an Emmy award winning DP who worked for MTV ready to come on board at half his usual rate, they made me hire Hinzman who made almost four times what my guy was going to get.

Next up was they wouldn’t let me do it SAG, or even using out of toen actors from LA, so we cast using local actors from Pittsburgh --- except for Barrett Worland who was Karen’s pet project from LA. Jamie was a non-SAG actress I had worked with before in my first film. In any event, after five days of auditions, it became obvious I had little to work with.

Savini was great to work with, and I came up with all those gags he did outside, while he came up with the ones in the barn. I wanted to do much more but my job came in jeopardy when I was accused of allowing Tom Savini to take over the movie. Later, Joe Wolf found what a name Savini is and said he made a mistake not building the movie around him.

Savini saw the ordeal I was going through and used to come by my room to make sure I was surviving --- he was very supportive and told me these guys didn’t deserve the job I was giving them.

Regarding the final cut of the film, I turned in a Director’s cut which I felt worked on some level and that at least wouldn’t be an embarrassment to anyone whose name was involved. I emphasized the action scenes and whittled the LOOOONNNGGG dialogue driven scenes down to a bare minimum. I still think it was a lousy movie, but it had a little something going for it, as I cut around some of the bad performances. (The saying goes that performances are made in the editing room, well poorly edited performances are also.)

Joe Wolf told me he thought we had a winner in the film with the cut I turned in, and others who saw the cut said they thought it worked as a zombie movie.

What happened next was truly mind-boggling. Karen Wolf fired every one in Pittsburgh, shut the door on yours truly, and hired a new editor, supervised the edit, then brought in all the actors and replaced the dialogue in nearly every scene. In her re-edit, she put back in all the long droning scenes of dialogue, then added back in the dialogue of hers that I changed. I was not present at the looping sessions---that’s one reason for the robotic delivery of the actors.

Then to cover the endless plotholes and the lack of structure she added the looped dialogue in ways which as you noted are laughably absurd. For example --- the first date you see in the film where Matthew takes Laurie to the construction site was originally shot as the final scene in the movie when Matthew takes Laurie to overlook his shattered dreams. When it was brought up that there wasn;t enough character development in the relationship between Laurie and Matthew they added in the ridiculous dialogue you heard and tried to make it look like a first date.

The worst thing she did was in her butchering and slaughtering the sequence with Tom Savini. Firstly, the incessant mumbling made me wonder if this was a zombie movie or Savini doing Popeye. Secondly, the scenes were completely robbed of any suspense or tension due to the unorthodox editing and lack of a musical score. Originally Savini’s daughter was cast, and she turned in a terrific performance as a girl being pursued by zombies – who Savini saved by blowing up the car. She was also in the scene right after that with Savini saving her from the two oncoming zombies. Why she was cut out is probably due to the fact that Karen didn’t like her.

As for the choices in editing, I wasn’t present so I have no idea what was going through this guy’s head --- Lewis Shoenbraun did the re-edit. I was never once contacted by he or Karen. To cover the many numerous plotholes that were in Karen’s script, the two of these guys got together and put together scenes that were outtakes drawn from the context of other scenes with looped dialogue dropped over. What was going through these people’s heads is beyond me.

But ain’t show business grand!

My feeling is that there is a movie in there somewhere in the dailies that isn’t the travesty you unfortunately witnessed. Sorry you had to sit through it, and as much as I hate to say it, it is my fault for allowing this to go on. I am apologizing because as Director of the film, it is ultimately my responsibility to deliver the goods. When circumstances present themselves that make it impossible to do so, my obligation to the craft is to leave the project.

This being my second film, I hung in there because no matter what happened, if I had walked it would look like I was a quitter.

Anyway, my first film is actually quite good and has gotten really good reviews on it. Perhaps you’ll have the chance to check it out sometime and I would welcome any feedback on it.

I agree with your assessment of CHILDREN --- based on the cut you saw, myself and every one involved look like idiots. I’d like to think I’m not one, and I’m walking away from CHILDREN with a brand new perspective on the perils of taking on a project when all the tools a filmmaker should have are taken away.

Like the man said, experience is what you get when you didn’t get what you wanted. And that is the end of the story!

Best wishes,

Tor Ramsey
Director CHILDREN OF THE LIVING DEAD

Mok

The trailer is up.

http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?id=1583178

Bill Geiger

Looks like Feldman decided to do it after all even though he told Haim he wasn't going to do it. Money talks I guess.

Edit: Guess I was wrong.

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/artic...84/story.jhtml

zero

Looks interesting. If it's direct to video I'll definitely rent it.

chris_sc77

Fans of the first film have my deepest sympathies after seeing that god-awful trailer. Wow. It does indeed look truly horrible. I liked the first one, not as much as some do but I will have no problem avoiding this one.

Ravenous

Dont look so bad. Im in. I wonder if Haims character will out of the closet since he was in the closet in the first flick.

Steve Phillips

I always wondered what straight teenage male would have a poster of Rob Lowe on his bedroom wall.

SPiRAL

I was watching this the other night, and thought the same thing.

Although to Sam's defense, I met Rob Lowe a few months ago at a party and he was so damn nice and friendly. Dare I say 'Dreamy', with the bluest eyes I've ever seen.

EdTheRipper

Trailer makes it looks decent. I'd see it.

MartinBlank

Feldman doesn't look like he's aged very much. Weird.

Eric D.

I agree. At first glance I thought it was a clip from the first movie.




As for the trailer...chesse city. Yeesh! I expected it to be bad, but I just may have to fast forward through this one if I even bother to pick it up.

Ravenous

Not to mention singing a song about loving some man while bathing.....

jdslater1

I met Haim a few years ago at a Con and asked him that very question (I don't think I was the first person to ask him that!). It was Joel Schumacher's idea because he was still on a high from St Elmos Fire.
I suppose you could say that alot of young boys have posters of their football heroes aswell but that pose Lowe is in is kinda gay!

I like Feldman line about "surfboard shaper"!

MANBREASTS

I think it might be because he's a vegetarian now. That does seem to make people look younger. He looked much older years ago. I wonder where Haim is and if he's in the movie at all.

EdTheRipper

In the article linked in post #53, Feldman does confirm that Haim is in the movie.

FantasticVSDoom

Hmmm... I dont know about that, but I guess Im willing to give it a chance.

rexinnih

Saw the "Rated R" symbol at the end. Worth a watch.

Geofferson

Trailer looks like it is most definitely worth checking out.

Charlie Goose

I think this would do reasonably well with theatrical release.

DRG

Well, I'm more excited about this than I usually am about "15+ years later direct-to-DVD" sequels, mainly because the mere fact they went to the effort to get the Coreys back shows the producers at least cared somewhat. Plus the villain is played by Kiefer Sutherland's half brother... interesting. After seeing things like Return of the Living Dead 4/5, where it felt like the makers hadn't even seen the original, it's at least slightly encouraging that they didn't just throw the name 'Lost Boys 2' on an unrelated teen vampire pic and call it a day.

islandclaws

Well, that has DTV written all over it. Any hope I had for this kicking ass seem to have gone out the window. I'll still watch it sometime, but this looks like it's going to suck large balls. The acting alone made me cringe.

devilshalo

I'll give it a try as I really liked the original. I just hope it has as cool a soundtrack. Tho it might be hard to top Daltry's version of Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me or the INXS songs.

If there was any poster I'd want Schulmacher to sign, it would be my Lost Boys one. I had that on my wall, does that make me gay?

It was an interesting time for vampire movies, with Lost Boys and Near Dark out in the same year.

MartinBlank

Sex Machine?

Zen Peckinpah

I'm a huge Lost Boys fan, but that looks DUMB as hell. MAYBE I'll see it, but that looks pretty goddamned mindless.

That guy Kiefer Sutherland's brother is playing is doing one hell of an Anton Chigurh imitation.

candyrocket786

Looks entertaining! Can't wait to see in theater or pick it up on BD.