DVDTalk HSX Leaderboard: 8/13 (Box Office Game)
#51
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
This more "pull the carpet out from under you" Gcribb tactics or this actually your picks for the weekened?
This more "pull the carpet out from under you" Gcribb tactics or this actually your picks for the weekened?
I always might change my position if they move way up. Of course I would assume everyone would do the same.
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From: City of the lakers.. riots.. and drug dealing cops.. los(t) Angel(e)s. ca.
Exor4 could pull in those numbers to make it. I think that it can do atleast 20 just on the name alone and folks forgetting the other crappy sequels by now
without a paddle has the chance but I'm not sure I want to risk it.
without a paddle has the chance but I'm not sure I want to risk it.
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First time since I, Robot that I've tried holding a movie over the weekend. Managed to sell Without a Paddle at around $33 and rebought just before the halt at $29. 95% of my portfolio in Without a Paddle long and Open Water short is either going to destroy me or save me.
Figure I was up about 35% in one week when I took huge chances like I'm doing this week, and ever since I've been playing it safe, I've lost money like a drunk. This weekend is either going to pay off extremely well or end up wiping out all my gains.
What's up with the Hero call, by the way? I felt extremely safe shorting it, because I just don't see a movie like that breaking $5mil. I'm guessing it's just the movie crowd drooling over anything with Tarantino's name near it, but I sure don't see much buzz or mainstream success in the US for that movie. Sure as hell don't see it making $15mil next weekend with Anaconda taking a fair chunk of the mainstream action audience pie.
Figure I was up about 35% in one week when I took huge chances like I'm doing this week, and ever since I've been playing it safe, I've lost money like a drunk. This weekend is either going to pay off extremely well or end up wiping out all my gains.
What's up with the Hero call, by the way? I felt extremely safe shorting it, because I just don't see a movie like that breaking $5mil. I'm guessing it's just the movie crowd drooling over anything with Tarantino's name near it, but I sure don't see much buzz or mainstream success in the US for that movie. Sure as hell don't see it making $15mil next weekend with Anaconda taking a fair chunk of the mainstream action audience pie.
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Anaconda's is going to be a hit. the general public loves shit like that. They can't get enough of it. Hero is a must short cause I really doubt it will even hit anywhere over that 10 million call
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I flopped my pick on OPENW at the last second. I'm now short on all five.
...I'll be doing by part by holding a protest rally at my theatre a la Passion of the Christ. "WITHOUT A PADDLE IS OFFENSIVE TO....HUMANS!"
...I'll be doing by part by holding a protest rally at my theatre a la Passion of the Christ. "WITHOUT A PADDLE IS OFFENSIVE TO....HUMANS!"
#60
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Here are my guesses, going on calculations and assumptions:
Long
Exorcist (will see a Saturday dropoff due to bad word of mouth, but should still hit the HSX price) Adjust up $11-$14
Without A Paddle Adjust up $7 - $10
Short
Garden State Adjust down $2-$5
Benji Adjust down $2-$5
Open Water Adjust down $7-$10
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Exorcist (will see a Saturday dropoff due to bad word of mouth, but should still hit the HSX price) Adjust up $11-$14
Without A Paddle Adjust up $7 - $10
Short
Garden State Adjust down $2-$5
Benji Adjust down $2-$5
Open Water Adjust down $7-$10
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Here's the analysis:
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Benji! Off the Leash Friday numbers: $0.36
Internal Multiplier: 2.5 Weekend Estimate: $0.90
BENJI Halt: $6.51 Adjust: $2.61 Change: ($3.90)
Internal Multiplier: 2.7 Weekend Estimate: $0.97
BENJI Halt: $6.51 Adjust: $2.82 Change: ($3.69)
Internal Multiplier: 2.9 Weekend Estimate: $1.04
BENJI Halt: $6.51 Adjust: $3.03 Change: ($3.48)
Internal Multiplier: 3.1 Weekend Estimate: $1.12
BENJI Halt: $6.51 Adjust: $3.24 Change: ($3.27)
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Exorcist:The Beginning Friday numbers: $7.10
Internal Multiplier: 2.5 Weekend Estimate: $17.75
EXOR4 Halt: $38.81 Adjust: $51.48 Change: $12.67
EXOCA Strike: $20.00 Halt: $0.31 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($0.31)
EXOPU Strike: $20.00 Halt: $5.12 Delist: $2.25 Change: ($2.87)
Internal Multiplier: 2.7 Weekend Estimate: $19.17
EXOR4 Halt: $38.81 Adjust: $55.59 Change: $16.78
EXOCA Strike: $20.00 Halt: $0.31 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($0.31)
EXOPU Strike: $20.00 Halt: $5.12 Delist: $0.83 Change: ($4.29)
Internal Multiplier: 2.9 Weekend Estimate: $20.59
EXOR4 Halt: $38.81 Adjust: $59.71 Change: $20.90
EXOCA Strike: $20.00 Halt: $0.31 Delist: $0.59 Change: $0.28
EXOPU Strike: $20.00 Halt: $5.12 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($5.12)
Internal Multiplier: 3.1 Weekend Estimate: $22.01
EXOR4 Halt: $38.81 Adjust: $63.83 Change: $25.02
EXOCA Strike: $20.00 Halt: $0.31 Delist: $2.01 Change: $1.70
EXOPU Strike: $20.00 Halt: $5.12 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($5.12)
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Previous Box Office: $2.64
Garden State Friday numbers: $0.92
Internal Multiplier: 2.5 Weekend Estimate: $2.30
GRDST Halt: $12.86 Adjust: $9.31 Change: ($3.55)
Internal Multiplier: 2.7 Weekend Estimate: $2.48
GRDST Halt: $12.86 Adjust: $9.84 Change: ($3.02)
Internal Multiplier: 2.9 Weekend Estimate: $2.67
GRDST Halt: $12.86 Adjust: $10.38 Change: ($2.48)
Internal Multiplier: 3.1 Weekend Estimate: $2.85
GRDST Halt: $12.86 Adjust: $10.91 Change: ($1.95)
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Previous Box Office: $2.53
Open Water Friday numbers: $3.80
Internal Multiplier: 2.5 Weekend Estimate: $9.50
OPENW Halt: $41.35 Adjust: $30.08 Change: ($11.27)
OPECA Strike: $10.00 Halt: $4.73 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($4.73)
OPEPU Strike: $10.00 Halt: $0.44 Delist: $0.50 Change: $0.06
Internal Multiplier: 2.7 Weekend Estimate: $10.26
OPENW Halt: $41.35 Adjust: $32.28 Change: ($9.07)
OPECA Strike: $10.00 Halt: $4.73 Delist: $0.26 Change: ($4.47)
OPEPU Strike: $10.00 Halt: $0.44 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($0.44)
Internal Multiplier: 2.9 Weekend Estimate: $11.02
OPENW Halt: $41.35 Adjust: $34.49 Change: ($6.86)
OPECA Strike: $10.00 Halt: $4.73 Delist: $1.02 Change: ($3.71)
OPEPU Strike: $10.00 Halt: $0.44 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($0.44)
Internal Multiplier: 3.1 Weekend Estimate: $11.78
OPENW Halt: $41.35 Adjust: $36.69 Change: ($4.66)
OPECA Strike: $10.00 Halt: $4.73 Delist: $1.78 Change: ($2.95)
OPEPU Strike: $10.00 Halt: $0.44 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($0.44)
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WIthout A Paddle Friday numbers: $4.70
Internal Multiplier: 2.5 Weekend Estimate: $11.75
WOPAD Halt: $28.71 Adjust: $34.08 Change: $5.36
WOPCA Strike: $10.00 Halt: $3.95 Delist: $1.75 Change: ($2.20)
WOPPU Strike: $10.00 Halt: $0.96 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($0.96)
Internal Multiplier: 2.7 Weekend Estimate: $12.69
WOPAD Halt: $28.71 Adjust: $36.80 Change: $8.09
WOPCA Strike: $10.00 Halt: $3.95 Delist: $2.69 Change: ($1.26)
WOPPU Strike: $10.00 Halt: $0.96 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($0.96)
Internal Multiplier: 2.9 Weekend Estimate: $13.63
WOPAD Halt: $28.71 Adjust: $39.53 Change: $10.82
WOPCA Strike: $10.00 Halt: $3.95 Delist: $3.63 Change: ($0.32)
WOPPU Strike: $10.00 Halt: $0.96 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($0.96)
Internal Multiplier: 3.1 Weekend Estimate: $14.57
WOPAD Halt: $28.71 Adjust: $42.25 Change: $13.54
WOPCA Strike: $10.00 Halt: $3.95 Delist: $4.57 Change: $0.62
WOPPU Strike: $10.00 Halt: $0.96 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($0.96)
It's also up at HSJ.
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Benji! Off the Leash Friday numbers: $0.36
Internal Multiplier: 2.5 Weekend Estimate: $0.90
BENJI Halt: $6.51 Adjust: $2.61 Change: ($3.90)
Internal Multiplier: 2.7 Weekend Estimate: $0.97
BENJI Halt: $6.51 Adjust: $2.82 Change: ($3.69)
Internal Multiplier: 2.9 Weekend Estimate: $1.04
BENJI Halt: $6.51 Adjust: $3.03 Change: ($3.48)
Internal Multiplier: 3.1 Weekend Estimate: $1.12
BENJI Halt: $6.51 Adjust: $3.24 Change: ($3.27)
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Exorcist:The Beginning Friday numbers: $7.10
Internal Multiplier: 2.5 Weekend Estimate: $17.75
EXOR4 Halt: $38.81 Adjust: $51.48 Change: $12.67
EXOCA Strike: $20.00 Halt: $0.31 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($0.31)
EXOPU Strike: $20.00 Halt: $5.12 Delist: $2.25 Change: ($2.87)
Internal Multiplier: 2.7 Weekend Estimate: $19.17
EXOR4 Halt: $38.81 Adjust: $55.59 Change: $16.78
EXOCA Strike: $20.00 Halt: $0.31 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($0.31)
EXOPU Strike: $20.00 Halt: $5.12 Delist: $0.83 Change: ($4.29)
Internal Multiplier: 2.9 Weekend Estimate: $20.59
EXOR4 Halt: $38.81 Adjust: $59.71 Change: $20.90
EXOCA Strike: $20.00 Halt: $0.31 Delist: $0.59 Change: $0.28
EXOPU Strike: $20.00 Halt: $5.12 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($5.12)
Internal Multiplier: 3.1 Weekend Estimate: $22.01
EXOR4 Halt: $38.81 Adjust: $63.83 Change: $25.02
EXOCA Strike: $20.00 Halt: $0.31 Delist: $2.01 Change: $1.70
EXOPU Strike: $20.00 Halt: $5.12 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($5.12)
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Previous Box Office: $2.64
Garden State Friday numbers: $0.92
Internal Multiplier: 2.5 Weekend Estimate: $2.30
GRDST Halt: $12.86 Adjust: $9.31 Change: ($3.55)
Internal Multiplier: 2.7 Weekend Estimate: $2.48
GRDST Halt: $12.86 Adjust: $9.84 Change: ($3.02)
Internal Multiplier: 2.9 Weekend Estimate: $2.67
GRDST Halt: $12.86 Adjust: $10.38 Change: ($2.48)
Internal Multiplier: 3.1 Weekend Estimate: $2.85
GRDST Halt: $12.86 Adjust: $10.91 Change: ($1.95)
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Previous Box Office: $2.53
Open Water Friday numbers: $3.80
Internal Multiplier: 2.5 Weekend Estimate: $9.50
OPENW Halt: $41.35 Adjust: $30.08 Change: ($11.27)
OPECA Strike: $10.00 Halt: $4.73 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($4.73)
OPEPU Strike: $10.00 Halt: $0.44 Delist: $0.50 Change: $0.06
Internal Multiplier: 2.7 Weekend Estimate: $10.26
OPENW Halt: $41.35 Adjust: $32.28 Change: ($9.07)
OPECA Strike: $10.00 Halt: $4.73 Delist: $0.26 Change: ($4.47)
OPEPU Strike: $10.00 Halt: $0.44 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($0.44)
Internal Multiplier: 2.9 Weekend Estimate: $11.02
OPENW Halt: $41.35 Adjust: $34.49 Change: ($6.86)
OPECA Strike: $10.00 Halt: $4.73 Delist: $1.02 Change: ($3.71)
OPEPU Strike: $10.00 Halt: $0.44 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($0.44)
Internal Multiplier: 3.1 Weekend Estimate: $11.78
OPENW Halt: $41.35 Adjust: $36.69 Change: ($4.66)
OPECA Strike: $10.00 Halt: $4.73 Delist: $1.78 Change: ($2.95)
OPEPU Strike: $10.00 Halt: $0.44 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($0.44)
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WIthout A Paddle Friday numbers: $4.70
Internal Multiplier: 2.5 Weekend Estimate: $11.75
WOPAD Halt: $28.71 Adjust: $34.08 Change: $5.36
WOPCA Strike: $10.00 Halt: $3.95 Delist: $1.75 Change: ($2.20)
WOPPU Strike: $10.00 Halt: $0.96 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($0.96)
Internal Multiplier: 2.7 Weekend Estimate: $12.69
WOPAD Halt: $28.71 Adjust: $36.80 Change: $8.09
WOPCA Strike: $10.00 Halt: $3.95 Delist: $2.69 Change: ($1.26)
WOPPU Strike: $10.00 Halt: $0.96 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($0.96)
Internal Multiplier: 2.9 Weekend Estimate: $13.63
WOPAD Halt: $28.71 Adjust: $39.53 Change: $10.82
WOPCA Strike: $10.00 Halt: $3.95 Delist: $3.63 Change: ($0.32)
WOPPU Strike: $10.00 Halt: $0.96 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($0.96)
Internal Multiplier: 3.1 Weekend Estimate: $14.57
WOPAD Halt: $28.71 Adjust: $42.25 Change: $13.54
WOPCA Strike: $10.00 Halt: $3.95 Delist: $4.57 Change: $0.62
WOPPU Strike: $10.00 Halt: $0.96 Delist: $0.00 Change: ($0.96)
It's also up at HSJ.
#62
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Looks like I was off on my WOPAD prediction, but I shouldn't lose too much I don't think - should open again at $32 or so. EXOR4 is the big winner. It'll adjust to around $55-60.
#63
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two out of three are not bad 
I just hope the numbers hold up over the weekend. I expect Benji to do the top multiplier since it will be a sat/sun day movie anyway and not a friday night movie.
I might even hold it till delist since it will be so low anyway and it should exceed the adjust price over 4 weeks.
I am hoping that EXOR4 hits that $20 since daddy needs a new pair of shoes
WOPAD was just luck. I really think it will do slightly better on Saturday than Friday with a nice adjust.

I just hope the numbers hold up over the weekend. I expect Benji to do the top multiplier since it will be a sat/sun day movie anyway and not a friday night movie.
I might even hold it till delist since it will be so low anyway and it should exceed the adjust price over 4 weeks.
I am hoping that EXOR4 hits that $20 since daddy needs a new pair of shoes

WOPAD was just luck. I really think it will do slightly better on Saturday than Friday with a nice adjust.
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Hit the two that counted this weekend. Garden state was a toss up, but then again not to much is going to be lost there.
Knew Exorcist will hit it big simply cause of the name appeal and it's been to long for folks to remember that an exorcist without the little girl just flat out sucks.
Knew Exorcist will hit it big simply cause of the name appeal and it's been to long for folks to remember that an exorcist without the little girl just flat out sucks.
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I got WOPAD but that's all. I've been flirting with $11M all week long going over and under each day.
#66
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Damnit, I knew I shouldn't have held on to that Open Water stock. At least W/out A Paddle will help offset that a bit.
#67
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I'm looking at the just released Saturday numbers
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/c...4-08-21&p=.htm
but something doesn't seem right - some of the films improved their take from Friday by 50%. YUGIO seems to have 87% better which just seems astounding.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/c...4-08-21&p=.htm
but something doesn't seem right - some of the films improved their take from Friday by 50%. YUGIO seems to have 87% better which just seems astounding.
#68
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Sounds right. Yugio would be a kids movie and would do far better on a Saturday than a Friday.
OPENW will be a slight adjust either way.
Same with GRDST.
The only two big adjusts will be EXOR4 and WOPAD.
OPENW will be a slight adjust either way.
Same with GRDST.
The only two big adjusts will be EXOR4 and WOPAD.
#69
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Except that YUGIO already went up 28% on Friday.
Same thing with COLAT and MCHUR - they went up 80% on Friday and then an additional 50% on Saturday.
So, unless people who got bored of the Olympics are hitting the theatres in droves, I smell a bug somewhere.
Same thing with COLAT and MCHUR - they went up 80% on Friday and then an additional 50% on Saturday.
So, unless people who got bored of the Olympics are hitting the theatres in droves, I smell a bug somewhere.
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Originally posted by MrN
Except that YUGIO already went up 28% on Friday.
Same thing with COLAT and MCHUR - they went up 80% on Friday and then an additional 50% on Saturday.
So, unless people who got bored of the Olympics are hitting the theatres in droves, I smell a bug somewhere.
Except that YUGIO already went up 28% on Friday.
Same thing with COLAT and MCHUR - they went up 80% on Friday and then an additional 50% on Saturday.
So, unless people who got bored of the Olympics are hitting the theatres in droves, I smell a bug somewhere.
#71
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I am happy to have made two good decisions 
I wish I had stayed away from little Benji, However I think it will delist at a larger number so I probably will just hold it snice it is such a small amount.

I wish I had stayed away from little Benji, However I think it will delist at a larger number so I probably will just hold it snice it is such a small amount.
#72
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Originally posted by JasonF
In case anyone's keeping score, I longed WOPAD and EXOR4 and shorted the other three (OPENW, BENJI, and GRDST). Because real men play all the openers.
In case anyone's keeping score, I longed WOPAD and EXOR4 and shorted the other three (OPENW, BENJI, and GRDST). Because real men play all the openers.
#74
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Originally posted by JasonF
Friday box office numbers are always up significantly from Thursday numbers. Even for kid flicks, even in the summer.
Friday box office numbers are always up significantly from Thursday numbers. Even for kid flicks, even in the summer.
I realize almost every film's take goes up on Friday - what I'm saying is the percentage up on Saturday seem unusually high.
If you look at the weekend numbers, BORN2 fell by 54%, 40.5% and 40.2% after opening numbers - this weekend it only fell 22.7%.
Similarly, MCHUR went down 48.8% and 41.4% after opening and this weekend it only went down some 30%.
So, I have a feeling the actuals this week will be lower across the board.



