RichC2

Wow, you're all over the place, aren't you? I'm afraid to say this but you are incorrect about the Hulk/Hellboy connection. Most action movies that have a moderate to high opening drop an average 50% in their second weekend, Spider-man was an exception and dropped a meager 38%.

You were wrong with the Hulk for this simple reason, it was seen as a bomb not because it dropped over 50% in it's second weekend, but because it collapsed with a massive 70% in it's second weekend. And not only that, Hulk had been anticipated to be one of the biggest grossers of the year, and that was obviously not going to happen at this point in time - the expectations were also brought upon by Hulks massive budget and gargantuous advertising campaign.

Dawn of the Dead has had one of the larger "drops" as of late and dropped 60% in it's second weekend.

50% being a deadringer for the "average" droprate.

The Matrix: Reloaded dropped a reasonable 60% in it's second weekend period, which was fine considering how extraordinary it's opening weekend was. The Matrix: Revolutions, however, dropped a massive 67% after a less-than-expected opening and continued a quick downward spiral.

But on the bright side, Shaolin Soccer only dropped 24% from last week

And to answer your question, no, Hellboy - seen as a bit of a "risk" due to title and obscurity, lesser known actors and lower budget - is not a flop.

Oh and as for the Star Wars bashing, we also didn't have to wait 20 years for a sequel to the Matrix. That and some of the content of the prequels had a negative impact on memories of the originals for some people (namely what "the force" was), and such. But rest assured, The Matrix series has seen a massive amount of backlash as well.

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wm lopez

Cool, I stand corrected.
But HELLBOY sure looks like an expensive movie in the trailers.
The cgi doesn't look like a cheap video game the way the HULK did.
I didn't know HELLBOY didn't cost that much.
LXG also looked expensive and was.
So that's why I assumed that if HELLBOY doesn't make $100 mil it's a bomb.
CHARLIE'S ANGELS 2 made over a $100 and that's considered a bomb.

RichC2

A movie is seen as a success when it meets/beats how much it cost to "make" domestically (in the US), most don't even consider the cost advertising.

For example (Made $$ is for the US only, several have made substantially more overseas):

Hellboy - Budget: $66m - Made so far: $41.1m [+ advertising: $25m]
Charlie's Angels 2 - Budget: $120m - Made: $100m [+ advertising: 40m]
THE LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN - Budget: $75m - Made: $66.5m [+ advertising: $30m]

matome

Hulk was a bomb. Anything that drops 70% in it's second weekend indicates a severe lack of good WOM. Especially with a $60 mil opening. That's a lot of mouths spewing vitriol the next day.

Jackskeleton

Comparing Hellboy to Hulk is very silly. One was Universals BIG entery for summer. It was suppose to top everything and Universal was banking on that. Not to mention it had star power. Riding off the Black Hawk Down and other successes Eric Bana was riding to the top and having Jennifer Connelly was also high on praise and a big time star by that point. You have two top names to bank on and the budget and advertisement campaign on a VERY popular comic character to follow it was a huge flop.

Hellboy is an obscure comic with an obscure actor by a non-big name director. Sony wasn't ponying up the money for it, it was just distributing it. Revolutions made it and made it right. the drop in % is normal for action/comic book film on it's second release and considering how crowded this weekend was, it still held it's own.

Just because it looks expensive in the ad's doesn't mean it is.

matome

Charlie's Angels 2 cost $120 mil to make? WTF??? Was there a filmed lez scene between the three stars sitting in some exec's office somewhere?

Jackskeleton

No, the three just felt that they needed a nice pay raise.

Artman

Same here. I figured it'd have 22mill in the bag this wknd. 6 on fri, 9 on sat, 7 on sun. Hmmm...

Kumar J

I pity the Rock.Walking Tall is almost gone by next week!

scott shelton

And now we count DVDs and International Box Office in on the tallies (CA 2 is over 300 million now) for the most part. All three films listed will have turned a profit by the time the smoke clears.

Look at BROTHER BEAR. All this whining about how it was a failure. Then this past week, it sells 6 million DVDs, clearing over 60 million in revenue. And that's only in one week.

It's getting harder and harder to peg a film as a "bomb." You can only do that in the most superficial sense.

scott shelton

Sure it means that!

Give audiences 5 new releases, and their dollars go everywhere. Give them a weekend of only, say, VAN HELSING, and quality or not, most of the money will go to the one big release.

Outside this message board (imagine that!), people actually average one or two movies per month, and with this many choices this past weekend (plus the PASSION itch due to Easter), the sheer number of selections to pick from lead the box office to several films doing about the same numbers.

Again, what I said before was that ALAMO isn't a "strong" film, and most likely would do the same number any season it played in. A holiday release doesn't guarantee anything.

"Anyone that follows the box office on a regular basis" would know that.

Deftones

Wow, can anyone run a babelfish translator on this to see how it was a rebuttal to my post?

johnglass

Well, you said:

and he said:



So I can see the rebuttal, even if he was only rebutting the last sentence of your post.

Bill Geiger

Guess it is all greek to you. Here's the French translation.

Certain il signifie de celui-ci ! Donnez aux auditoires 5 de nouvelles libérations, et leurs dollars ils vont partout. Vous leur donnez un week-end seulement, par exemple, VAN HELSING, et la qualité ou non, la plus grande partie de l'argent il ira à celui-ci grande libération. Dehors de ce le tableau de messages (vous imaginez celui-ci !), les personnes calculent en moyenne réellement des ou deux cinémas le mois, et avec ceci de nombreux choix le ce week-end antérieur (plus la PASSION itch qui il est dû à des Pâques), le nombre propre de choix pour qu'ils choisissent du plomb box office à de divers films qui font les chiffres presque mêmes. Encore, que ai-je dit avant était-il qu'alamo isn't "strong" ? le film, et le plus probablement ferait le même nombre n'importe quelle époque qui a joué à l'intérieur. Une libéralisation doesn't d'interruptions garantit rien. "Anyone celui-ci suit box office à un régulier basis" ? saurait celui-ci.

mrpayroll

Final Figures for Weekend April 9 - 11, 2004
TW	LW	Title	Studio	Weekend Gross	% Change	Theater Count	Change	Average	Total Gross	Cost*	Week #
1	5	The Passion of the Christ	NM	$15,216,723	43.50%	3,240	-168	$4,696	$353,006,351	$30 / $20	7
2	1	Hellboy	SonR	$10,824,129	-53.30%	3,043	15	$3,557	$40,828,171	$66 / $25	2
3	N	Johnson Family Vacation	FoxS	$9,375,307	-	1,317	-	$7,118	$11,814,504	$12 / $8	1
4	N	The Alamo	BV	$9,124,701	-	2,609	-	$3,497	$9,124,701	$107 / $30	1
5	2	Walking Tall	MGM	$8,442,008	-45.50%	2,836	-	$2,976	$28,953,956	$46 / $25	2
6	4	Home on the Range	BV	$8,105,171	-41.60%	3,058	11	$2,650	$27,418,973	- / -	2
7	3	Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed	WB	$8,015,496	-45.80%	3,130	-182	$2,560	$62,878,150	- / -	3
8	N	The Whole Ten Yards	WB	$6,685,381	-	2,654	-	$2,518	$6,685,381	$40 / $20	1
9	N	Ella Enchanted	Mira.	$6,169,030	-	1,931	-	$3,194	$6,169,030	$31 / $15	1
10	N	The Girl Next Door	Fox	$6,003,806	-	2,148	-	$2,795	$6,003,806	- / -	1

It looks like they overestimated Passion for the first time!

Chris

Jackskeleton

Girl next door really bombed. It will be interesting to read what fox is going to say about this in todays reporter.

moocher

I guess knowing their past failures in correctly estimating the Sunday take for Passion, this time they overcompensated thinking that Easter Sunday would be big. I guess people just didn't want to get depressed on Easter and picked staying home with the family instead.

Even though it held #1, I am surprised that Passion did not do better this weekend. It will likely plummet from here. I expect it will finish as the #7 film all time (pretty darn good for a low budget - foreign language film). I don't expect it to pass ROTK. It did have a great run though and proved Mel Gibson a genious. Wonder whether he can do it again...

mrpayroll

I would rather it stay at #7, which is Gods #, instead of #6 which Satan's # !

Chris

Scot1458

So can we say Hellboy officaly bombed?

The Alamo sure as hell is.

Deftones

No. Have you looked at it's budget? It will probably make that back.

The Antipodean

Enough about Hellboy, "Alamo" is going to be the bomb that causes some bg shakeups at Disney methinks...

Jackskeleton

No, It didn't. Read the thread before posting next time.

It's made 40+ in it's two weeks of release. it's cost was 66. It will make it back. It took the typical drop for a second week release action/comic book film. It's already greenlighted a sequel. Hellboy didn't bomb.

fumanstan

Looking at the budget, it looks like it oughta make it back though. So it will probably be less of a dud then The Rundown. It does raise the question whether the Rock will ever be able to be a 100 million dollar draw.

Jackskeleton

Looking at Arnolds earlier days, his movies weren't breaking the bank. They made just enough to get him by to the next action film.

Eventually the rock will be a 100 million dollar draw. Just give him time

thephantom

Well, I'm liking the Rock's movies so far. He's actually a much better actor than most people would think and the guy just oozes charisma on the big screen, even more than in wrestling.

Walking Tall has some good word of mouth but frankly no one seems much interested in going to the movies right now. I usually see a movie a weekend and basically the only things I've watched in about two months were Hellboy and Walking Tall, just nothing to really compel me to go to the theater, and many people are feeling the same way. So basically I expect Walking Tall to be a big DVD sales/rental sucess as people remember that friends said it was pretty good.

As to the Rock becoming a $100 million movie maker, I think it's inevitable.