An article on Oscar blunders. Do you agree or disagree?
#76
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The oscars have been dead to me since 1977. Annie Hall over Star Wars for best picture? Oh please.
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taking into consideration i havent been such a fan of movies until about 2-3 years ago, i havent really seen many of these pre 90s films mentioned in these posts.. and i dont know if im much a judge of performance, acting or directing (i dont think ive seen a best picture nominee pre 1990).. i still know this:
"this film sucked"
(about the same film) " i loved this film, it was brilliant"
"it sucked"
"i think it was brilliant too"
"i thought it sucked too"
etc, etc, etc,
aaaaaaaaaaaahhh.. *$!
i would love to watch some older films in order to broaden my perspective on the film industry and its accomplishments in general, but i have no idea which films to watch.. =) this thread is not a good place for reccomendations, every one is shot clean out of the sky the minute its mentioned.. im sure ill watch some of the films listed but not know how to judge their performance, simply judge it on whether i liked it or not (that doesnt count for much these days.. maybe i need to take a film class)
on another note, since it seems like films being nominated is almost as important as a film or person winning the oscar, maybe the academy should extend the list from 5 or 6 (whatever it is) to 8-10 nominees.. but i know that would probably get old, and bore most of the TV audience to sleep
"this film sucked"
(about the same film) " i loved this film, it was brilliant"
"it sucked"
"i think it was brilliant too"
"i thought it sucked too"
etc, etc, etc,
aaaaaaaaaaaahhh.. *$!
i would love to watch some older films in order to broaden my perspective on the film industry and its accomplishments in general, but i have no idea which films to watch.. =) this thread is not a good place for reccomendations, every one is shot clean out of the sky the minute its mentioned.. im sure ill watch some of the films listed but not know how to judge their performance, simply judge it on whether i liked it or not (that doesnt count for much these days.. maybe i need to take a film class)
on another note, since it seems like films being nominated is almost as important as a film or person winning the oscar, maybe the academy should extend the list from 5 or 6 (whatever it is) to 8-10 nominees.. but i know that would probably get old, and bore most of the TV audience to sleep
#80
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The worst offenders of late to me anyway...
the aforementioned Gladiator.. blah...
Ron Howard sympathy Oscar for not winning one for Apollo 13
and the biggest offender...
Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan.
Haven't watched the oscars since. SIL is a decent little flick but not even in the same ballpark as SPR. What a joke.
the aforementioned Gladiator.. blah...
Ron Howard sympathy Oscar for not winning one for Apollo 13
and the biggest offender...
Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan.
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Originally posted by Tarnower
I completely agree with you on every word of your statement. I'm so tired of people bashing "Titanic." Before that film was released, many major critics fell all over themselves with praise. USA TODAY stated that "people all over the world will be greatly moved by this film." But once it becomes phenomenally popular with the masses then I guess there must be something wrong with it. "Titanic" was a highly entertaining, intricately detailed movie that was a wonderful throwback to the days when a movie was truly a spectacle and drew-in millions of people just by the sheer good word-of-mouth. Granted, the film didn't have the most sophisticated script, but almost everything else about it was just wonderful. BTW, anyone know the latest of a SE of this pic?
I completely agree with you on every word of your statement. I'm so tired of people bashing "Titanic." Before that film was released, many major critics fell all over themselves with praise. USA TODAY stated that "people all over the world will be greatly moved by this film." But once it becomes phenomenally popular with the masses then I guess there must be something wrong with it. "Titanic" was a highly entertaining, intricately detailed movie that was a wonderful throwback to the days when a movie was truly a spectacle and drew-in millions of people just by the sheer good word-of-mouth. Granted, the film didn't have the most sophisticated script, but almost everything else about it was just wonderful. BTW, anyone know the latest of a SE of this pic?
hehe, it's kinda like bands "selling out."
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"films like the conformity-embracing "Dead Poet's Society,"
Could someone explain this statement? What was this film exactly conforming to? non-conformism? suicide?
The author did go overboard on his criticism of Benigni as others have mentioned, especially about his Oscar win reaction and 'speech'. So what he doesn't express himself as a native speaker of English would ... can this author even form a sentence in another language?
Could someone explain this statement? What was this film exactly conforming to? non-conformism? suicide?
The author did go overboard on his criticism of Benigni as others have mentioned, especially about his Oscar win reaction and 'speech'. So what he doesn't express himself as a native speaker of English would ... can this author even form a sentence in another language?
#83
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and the biggest offender...
Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan.
Haven't watched the oscars since. SIL is a decent little flick but not even in the same ballpark as SPR. What a joke.
Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan.
I thought SIL was much better than SPR - but perhaps it still didn't deserve Best Picture.
Take away the opening 15 minutes of SPR and you really don't have much of a film.
The characters were paper thin, and SS used alot of cliches and relied on cheap tricks to shock the audience.
I thought The Thin Red Line deserved the Oscar that year - and is a tremendous film - which isn't just a film about war, it's deeper than that.
#84
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When I look at the lists of Oscar winners, most of my favorite films are in the Sound, Sound Editing, and Visual Effects catagories, not the Best Picture catagory.
Example - 1966: Winner for Sound and Sound Effects: Grand Prix. Winner for Best Picture: A Man For All Seasons.
Example - 1966: Winner for Sound and Sound Effects: Grand Prix. Winner for Best Picture: A Man For All Seasons.
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It's difficult to say whether his choices are worth mentioning or not. I would say Gladiator is one of the more glaring choices, including Russell Crowe as best actor. I mean, the movie is a decent action flick with nice production design, but I don't give it any more credit than that. And Crowe gave a worthy performance, but his work in A Beautiful Mind and the Insider was so much more complex and interesting, it boggles my mind he won for this one.
But in general I won't aruge with the Academy's choices. SPR over SIL? Well, they're both excellent flicks and I can see the choice of either. Now Judi Dench for supporting actress? That was idiotic...she was in the movie for like 5 minutes.
But in general I won't aruge with the Academy's choices. SPR over SIL? Well, they're both excellent flicks and I can see the choice of either. Now Judi Dench for supporting actress? That was idiotic...she was in the movie for like 5 minutes.
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Originally Posted by inri222
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Howard is a director who makes safe, bland entertainment intended not to ruffle anyone's feathers. A more challenging director could have made "A Beautiful Mind," and they wouldn't have changed facts about the life of John Nash to make the film more mainstream.
Howard is a director who makes safe, bland entertainment intended not to ruffle anyone's feathers. A more challenging director could have made "A Beautiful Mind," and they wouldn't have changed facts about the life of John Nash to make the film more mainstream.
Sometimes you have to change facts around, or make stuff up, to keep the pace of the movie and to entertain. Anybody going into a movie expecting a history lesson shouldn't be going to the movies.
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Originally Posted by inri222
Worst Supporting Actress
Dishonorable mentions:
Judi Dench -- "Shakespeare in Love" (1998)
Dishonorable mentions:
Judi Dench -- "Shakespeare in Love" (1998)
She may have been in only 8 -15 minutes of the whole film, but wow. What an intense performance. To not have honored Judi Dench with the Oscar would have been like throwing your own mother down a flight of stairs on her birthday while holding your newborn child.
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Annie Hall and Star Wars -- both classics in my book. But...
MY best picture award that year? Close Encounters of the Third Kind
MY best picture award that year? Close Encounters of the Third Kind
By the way, I think the reason why Peter Jackson didn't win Best Director for The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring was because AMPAS voters pretty much decided to given Jackson the Best Director Oscar for The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King as a cumulative award for the entire three-film series. Esssentially, the 11 Oscars won by RoTK was to award the work on all three films.
#90
Since I'm taking part of the Oscar challenge here, probably the biggest blunder I've come across is the no-nomination for James Horner's score for Glory.
I noticed that Horner recieved a nom for Field of Dreams that same year and Im sure they didn't want to nominate the same guy twice, but what a MAJOR snub that is.
I noticed that Horner recieved a nom for Field of Dreams that same year and Im sure they didn't want to nominate the same guy twice, but what a MAJOR snub that is.
#91
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Agree with a lot of his selections, but his explanations are pretty terrible. Like Ron Howard, he is complaining more of his previous works, like he should not deserve an Oscar ever because he directed EdTV. Should Hillary Swank be stripped of her Oscar because she did the Next Karate Kid?
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Originally Posted by starman9000
Agree with a lot of his selections, but his explanations are pretty terrible. Like Ron Howard, he is complaining more of his previous works, like he should not deserve an Oscar ever because he directed EdTV.
And, as you said, the reasoning behind some of his objections is ridiculous. He greatly exaggerated to try to make his points. Damn drama queen.
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Originally Posted by Buttmunker
You simply cannot disrespect the Queen. I actually saw SIL in the theaters, and I was in absolute AWE when Judi Dench made her appearances. Absolute awe!!
She may have been in only 8 -15 minutes of the whole film, but wow. What an intense performance. To not have honored Judi Dench with the Oscar would have been like throwing your own mother down a flight of stairs on her birthday while holding your newborn child.
She may have been in only 8 -15 minutes of the whole film, but wow. What an intense performance. To not have honored Judi Dench with the Oscar would have been like throwing your own mother down a flight of stairs on her birthday while holding your newborn child.
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It's a shame that A Few Good Men was nominated for Best Picture and Malcolm X was snubbed.
Malcolm X only garnished 2 Oscar nominations. 1 for Denzel and 1 for Best Costume. The Academy couldn't have made a bigger statement than that to Spike Lee.
Malcolm X only garnished 2 Oscar nominations. 1 for Denzel and 1 for Best Costume. The Academy couldn't have made a bigger statement than that to Spike Lee.
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It's a shame that A Few Good Men was nominated for Best Picture and Malcolm X was snubbed.
Malcolm X only garnished 2 Oscar nominations. 1 for Denzel and 1 for Best Costume. The Academy couldn't have made a bigger statement than that to Spike Lee.
Malcolm X only garnished 2 Oscar nominations. 1 for Denzel and 1 for Best Costume. The Academy couldn't have made a bigger statement than that to Spike Lee.
Yet, in all honestly, I feel that the movie really takes off after Malcolm Little becomes Malcolm X.
Yes, I know it's part of the structure to see how "Red" was living his life beforehand as a thug (As in the script, rooted from "The Autobiography of Malcolm X") but the first half of the film, while flashy and at times, certainly meaty (Thanks to Denzel's performance) still has me nodding off.
It isn't untill Malcolm interacts with Betty (Another nomination-casualty for denying Angela Basset) along with the editor's fantastic task until the final frame, that this film really emerges as a work of undeniable art.
I mean, just look at how the rallies and speeches never become monotonous. Check out the scope and beauty of the pilgrimage to Mecca. And the intensity of "Shotgun" looming around in doom as the attackers search to silence Malcolm.
It's still just the first act that gets in the way that prevents a viewer like me sticking glued to the seat.
#98
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I agree with the first part of your statement, but not the second half.
Personally, Star Wars, Annie Hall, and the other three films were all deserving, and none moreso than the other.
As for arguing on which movie deserved what, it's completely pointless because it's all highly subjective. There is little to no objectivity when it comes to picking a Best Actor, Picture, or whatever. It's subjective. You can't reasonably choose one of the other. You have 5 movies or 5 actors up for the award. You go ask 10 people and you'd probably get 5 different answers. This thread pretty much proves it with people disagreeing with each other and the article in question. That's why the Oscars are a joke and should never be an arbiter of what's great or what's best. True, we've all argued over this before, pulling for our favorites and disappointed when they didn't win. But at the end of the day the Oscars are nothing more than an entertainment show.
There's more objectivity in picking Best Visual Effects than there is in picking Best Picture or Actor.
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Originally Posted by Mondo Kane
I was thinking about this after re-watching the film last weekend, but (Dare I say) I was too brainwashed by the academy to notice that it deserved more than 2 noms.
Ok, Spike was vocal about the racism in the Hollywood system (i.e. he criticized the Academy for awarding Driving Miss Daisy because they are more comfortable with that era of race relations) and he may have been obnoxious about it, but he made sense.
Cannes created an award especially for Samuel L. Jackson's fantastic performance in Jungle Fever and was overlooked by the Academy.
The Academy of the 80's and early 90's virtually ignored films of contemporary black characters. If you were a slave/ex-slave (Glory) or a submissive black (The Color Purple), you were guaranteed a nomination, but if you were a strong black character, you were ignored (Boyz N' the Hood).
Still, back then, I blamed less on the Academy than I did for Hollywood. How could the Academy be at fault if Hollywood green-lit few films depicting strong black contemporary characters?



