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Old 10-18-03 | 05:23 PM
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then perhaps they should call it "Dawn of the Dead II".

I can understand a little about how the newly dead would be a bit more quicker, but it does seem like they are letting them run around in masses a bit much. with that added in, there doesn't seem much of a chance at all for the human race.

But there are different types of Living dead. Even in Romero's films Zombies SPED up when prey was near.
Old 10-18-03 | 07:05 PM
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yeah, they had that sudden burst of engery. say they were near they would some what go faster or they would sorta fling themselves towards the pray. But to have something like the shot of the street where they are just making a mad dash seems like it wouldn't be much of a battle.
Old 10-18-03 | 07:15 PM
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A friend of mine was an extra in this. When I showed him the trailer and mentioned my dislike for the fast moving zombies, he said those were the "super zombies". Apparently, some move slow like "real" zombies should and others move fast.
Super zombies? You mean like these guys?


Even though my opinion that a zombie should be a slow stalking creature is bullshit I still want to see this movie, and I hope by doing so there will be more zombie movies.
Old 10-18-03 | 07:33 PM
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yeah, maybe, just maybe we'll get to see a House of the Dead 2: Electric Rave-a-loooo.
Old 10-18-03 | 08:21 PM
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Oh, please. I'm a Romero fan and that was an incredibly elitist thing to say. God forbid filmmakers have different opinions on how FANTASY CREATURES should be presented and used.
First, if a filmmaker has a different opinion on how FANTASY CREATURES should be presented and used, then let them be forthright people instead of whining simps that hide behind the work of others! If "Mr. Scooby Do" wants to do a zombie film, let him take his chances, out in the open... like a man and call his film what it is... "Crouching Human, Hidden Zombie"... instead of standing on the shoulders of a giant and proclaiming to be original.

There is nothing elitist about having sophisticated vs. simple tastes. If you look at the content of my post on the subject you would see that I'm talking about the pacing and style of the film... the speed in which zombies move is the vehicle to deliver that style.

...but I guess that's what I get for using a sophisticated technique to describe a sophisticated taste.
Old 10-18-03 | 09:17 PM
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Much like Vampires, I understand that the lore will change from story teller to story teller, but that doesn't mean McG should jump onboard to remake Interview with a vampire and then say... "You know, I think I want this scene in day light, Vampires can now walk in the day light" and expect those who are vampire crazy to chew it up and beg for seconds.


I stated in an earlier post that I can understand that the fresh would move a little faster or hell, make it so that there is special zombies who recieved some sort of extra power by some explained source. Radiation? Eating specific fleash? Eating certain amount of fleash? You know what I mean. I don't mind having some Crimson zombies and I expect a zombie to save all his strength for that final thrust at the victum. But to have them running in the street like that is a little much. The thing about zombies is the weakness of being slow. you take that away and guess what... well you already heard me say it a few times.

they become unstoppable. you have the numbers stacked against you, you have the speed now stacked against you. A part of fear is that you believe you have hope, but your hope might be gone because you will die. the moment it becomes a power house like that then the fear becomes acceptance. I'm sure it would be interesting to see everyone just point the gun to there own head when they realize the zombies are crazy mofo's.

I am a bit pleased about the zombie baby potential. it looks like perhaps it was a miscarriage and then since it's dead.. zombie fetus. Now that beats a Shark Vs. Zombie battle anyday.

I consider myself a zombie snob, I'll accept fast zombies, But I have to shake my head at zombies that would give Michael Johnson a challange at the 200 metre.

I will agree, if you are going to make a remake, try to stay close to the source without spitting out the same exact thing. the NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD remake was great and I watch it as much as I do the original. If you want to make a zombie film, cool. if you want to profit off another zombie films name atleast give it some proper treatment.
Old 10-18-03 | 09:19 PM
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I can't wait til they remake the remake of Dawn of the Dead. Now that will be great!
Old 10-19-03 | 03:22 AM
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you want to see a GREAT zombie scenerio flick that uses the ground rules of zombies being slow and works very well...

http://www.undeadmovie.com/


Now that is a movie. I must have seen it about 5 times already since I got it. it's simply beautiful.
Old 10-19-03 | 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
you want to see a GREAT zombie scenerio flick that uses the ground rules of zombies being slow and works very well...

http://www.undeadmovie.com/


Now that is a movie. I must have seen it about 5 times already since I got it. it's simply beautiful.
Jack, how did you get it? I've been dying to see this movie.
Old 10-19-03 | 05:35 PM
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dvd screener of it. You can say "other means" in the sense of 600mb's worth of other means.
Old 10-19-03 | 05:35 PM
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I really hope they remake "Day of the Dead". That movie was a mess and it proved even Romero can screw up a Zombie movie.
Old 10-19-03 | 06:51 PM
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I love love love the Original Dawn, and I'm certainly looking forward to this remake, but I don't like fast zombies, unless they are like the ROTLD ones. I can understand there being quicker zombies if they are freshly dead, though. It's not too big a deal anyway. I'll see it, I need my zombie fix. And if this is successful hopefully somebody will give Romero some funding.

The start of the trailer is very nice. The only real problem I have is the mall, I hate one story malls. I need two levels, so much more potential. I want to see zombies falling off ledges, and going on elevators and escalators, it's good times. I always love to see a society crumble, and that certainly attracts me to Romero's movies, this remake has that element too. I guess it's unavoidable in a zombie movie, but it isn't always done right. I have hope this movie will.

Oh and I love Day of the Dead. Not a bad film at all. It's a notch lower than Dawn but right up there with Night and Night90. If they've already remade the other 2 they might as well get Day remade too, but it really doesn't matter to me. The more I watch it, the better Day gets. I certainly understand someone saying Day is the best, I'm tempted sometimes to say that too. I think Dawn will always hold the top spot though, it's a much better idea and story.

Whatever, I just need my zombie fix.
Old 10-20-03 | 05:14 AM
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Im interested to see how this one ends up. I doubt it'll be better than the original, but it certainly looks enjoyable. In fact, i love the Night of the Living Dead remake and prefer it over the original.
Old 10-20-03 | 09:41 AM
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I love zombie films, and a fairly large portion of my DVD collection is dedicated to them. Fast moving zombies isn't by any stretch of the imagination a new idea, it's not a 28 Days Later... rip off.

The Romero films are of course some of my all time favorites, coming off more as survival type films than a standard zombie movie. I'm looking forward to the remake, can't wait for it actually. Any new zombie movie is good for the genre, it kind of primes the pump for more and more. Nothing wrong with that.

As for 'hallowed ground' and 'how dare they?!?!' comments: If you're offended that someone remake this movie, by all means don't go see it. Hopefully it will be popular, hopefully it will be so popular it will spawn a videogame even. More importantly though, maybe it will be so popular that Romero can make his 4th film.
Old 10-20-03 | 09:47 AM
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I really hope they remake "Day of the Dead". That movie was a mess and it proved even Romero can screw up a Zombie movie.
I agree with this. Romero wanted to do a lot more and ran out of money. The original conception was epic in scale, and would require a huge budget to pull off.
Old 10-20-03 | 02:56 PM
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The why of zombies
Old 10-20-03 | 05:35 PM
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Just cause, I feel like commentating more on Day of the Dead.

I must say, I'm glad the original Day script was never filmed, atleast not in the state it was in. It had some really killer ideas, but there was way too much going on. It had a few characters I could do without (Diesel, Spider) and it seemed just too over the top. Gasparilla was just too comical, but I think the character would be great if tweaked a bit.

I would've liked to have seen the zombie army, but i think Bub was way cooler than seeing a whole army, or Bluto and those other featured zombies. I think the idea of that trashy city, Stalag Seventeen I believe, was really cool. The opening was way cooler too, even though the filmed version still rocked. The whole discovery aspect of the base was very nicely done too.

Well I guess they might as well remake it anyway, and I'm sure they will if Dawn is a hit. Which is sad, because they'd rather fund another remake then let Romero do what he does best. I mean he could probably make a cheaper(and probably better) Dead film then they could, all the would have to do is advertise the hell out of it. Zombie movies are coming back.

Eh, just my little rant. I'm going to see any zombie movie that comes out anyway, unless Russo has a hand in it. I would just like to see George get one more crack at it.
Old 10-20-03 | 07:29 PM
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Something has been bothering me for a long time now (since the 90’s when this1st popped up in new Vampire movies) and I think this is perfect place to address “Changes”.

For years, Vampires have been confounded by religious relics, Crosses, Holy Water, Spoken Words, and other such methods. I have noticed more and more lately this is NOT The case. Now all you need is Silver Bullets, A stake, or Sunlight and it’s a done deal. It’s obvious to me this is a reflection of mankind’s rejection of God as powerful force and the attempt to explain Vampires and other monsters in terms of science only.

That’s fine, change happens and this change reflects our modern society. So why can’t this same change in Zombie lore happen without problems? I just find it interesting that no one bitches about this change in what has been Vampiric lore for centuries. I mean it’s a MAJOR change. By contrast, give a zombie some speed and suddenly the “Villagers” are out with their torches ready to burn anyone who doesn’t have problem with the idea
Old 10-20-03 | 09:25 PM
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Soooo, will the DOTD remake be released in Europe as Zombi? Hmmmm.
Old 10-20-03 | 10:21 PM
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OK, I've just looked over 3 pages of posts, and most of them say the same thing just worded differently. Mine too will probably bring up some repeat points, but here's my take.

I first saw this Sun. in the theater (playing w/The Chainsaw Remake), and was at first very excited. But I think I got more excited over the name (Dawn Of The Dead) then what was on screen. So I downloaded the trailer and have watched it a couple times... It looks like it's going to be a solid movie. The name alone will probably give a #1 spot opening weekend, mixed with the fact that, that time of year isn't usually the big blockbuster time. Too late for a holiday, too early for a big summer movie, perfect timing for a horror flick to come out. (Aside from Halloween) Now will it live up to the original??? Never. But it will probably be a enjoyable 90mins. and change. Dawn for most fans is what The Godfather or GoodFellas is to mob movie fans. Somebody posted here that it's perfection. Well as far as zombie movies go, Remero pretty much cornered the market. Does that mean it will suck or not deserve us to go and check it out? No.

The "fast zombie" thing bugs me a little. I also have a fondness towards the slow, lurking, creepy state the original zombies were. But times change and people change. And no matter how much we deny it WE, the viewing audience are the prime reasons the zombies are fast. The general public over the past 10+ years has developed a horid case of A.D.D. when it comes to entertainment. From the a//hole that couldn't shut the f//k up during The Excorsit re-release, or the girl who kept walking out of Scarface, a few weeks ago, to yack on the cell to girlfriends... Or how about the most recent example, Miramax not thinking we could sit through 3+ hours of Kill Bill so they had to chop it into 2 parts (despite what press releases say, that was originally ONE movie). So that is why the zombies run instead of stalk. We made them that way. (No pun intended)

But I don't think it's fair to judge the movie from the first teaser. Because I was expecting to be let down with Chainsaw, but ended up enjoying it. I say give it a chance.

On a side note I noticed George Remero's name wasn't anywhere in the credits. Does anyone know if he had any involvment in this or not?

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That’s fine, change happens and this change reflects our modern society. So why can’t this same change in Zombie lore happen without problems? I just find it interesting that no one bitches about this change in what has been Vampiric lore for centuries. I mean it’s a MAJOR change. By contrast, give a zombie some speed and suddenly the “Villagers” are out with their torches ready to burn anyone who doesn’t have problem with the idea
Normally I wouldn't mind alterations to the myths. but when you are remaking a film, do it justice. I think it's good to say that some zombies should be a bit quicker then the rest, but you shouldn't make them do a mile in under 40 seconds. Besides, the mythos of how to actually kill a zombie have been in the air for some time now.

In some stories cutting off the head wont stop the body from moving on to you. in others just a brain trama would kill, and in others that brain trama and nothing else will stop them.

Besides, the whole story behind vampires has been up in the air for some time now with each writer/story teller creating a new spin on it.
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Something has been bothering me for a long time now (since the 90’s when this1st popped up in new Vampire movies) and I think this is perfect place to address “Changes”.

For years, Vampires have been confounded by religious relics, Crosses, Holy Water, Spoken Words, and other such methods. I have noticed more and more lately this is NOT The case. Now all you need is Silver Bullets, A stake, or Sunlight and it’s a done deal. It’s obvious to me this is a reflection of mankind’s rejection of God as powerful force and the attempt to explain Vampires and other monsters in terms of science only.

That’s fine, change happens and this change reflects our modern society. So why can’t this same change in Zombie lore happen without problems? I just find it interesting that no one bitches about this change in what has been Vampiric lore for centuries. I mean it’s a MAJOR change. By contrast, give a zombie some speed and suddenly the “Villagers” are out with their torches ready to burn anyone who doesn’t have problem with the idea
So what your saying is what? A zombie running fast represents we as a people running towards something we need in order to live? Or is the running zombie the MPAA and the survivors are us being scared away by the evil they represent? . I can see where your going with this, and while I can agree on some parts about vampire lore I cant agree with that rational when it comes to REMAKING an older movie for today's audience. Granted it cant be EXACT scene for scene and Im glad it isnt but I grew up with zombies moving as slow as my 56K modem and thats how I like them. I also liked 28 Days Later... I didnt mind the zombies moving at an accelerated rate, hell they reminded me of Crimson Heads from RE. Its like this...what if they re-made King Kong and suddenly decided instead of taking a female to the top of the building he instead took a guy, or instead of just roaring they made him speak? It just doesnt work. So while some of us "villagers" like our zombies slow that doesnt mean that there is no room for change, but we already had one bad zombie "film" (HOTD) so whats wrong with people not willing to welcome this movie with open arms?
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yeah I don't really see films like this as true remakes.. they (Hollywood) are just taking an older film as the seed to grow a new film. Yeah it's going a rip off of the original one and yes they should come up with 'new' ideas but oh well.. Most of the time these so called remakes might as well be titled "based on the film"...

Of course one would not really want to go "A new film based on the film by........." Least not when it they can just throw some $$$ around and get the title and act like it's a remake.

Yes, as a zombie film fan, it's a given I'm a huge fan of Dawn of the Dead but heck I just really like zombie films over all!! Oh and I've watch some really, really bad ones. So if given a choice of a semi-remake or no zombie film, give me the remake.. Geeeeeesh it's not like the first one will no longer exists.. Worst thing that happens due to a remake is some kids start to think that the remake IS the only "Dawn of the Dead" film, with no idea about the first one.

heck I don't even care if they tweak the so called zombie speed.. I think a film maker should have the freedom to play with the so called rules.. Again, being I don't see films like these as true remakes as much as "inspired by".. IMO of course.

odds are if they paid for the rights remake Dawn of the Dead but had called it The Dawn that Came to Quickly most would not pissed.. After all then it would be more like a rip off then a so called "Remake".

Of course after all my talk about remakes being no big deal I'm sure they will now remake Road Warrior with nothing but 2f2f Hondas... "Last of the V4's, it would have been a shame to blow it up." AHHH!!!!!! How that for a scary film idea.. heh
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So what your saying is what? A zombie running fast represents we as a people running towards something we need in order to live? Or is the running zombie the MPAA and the survivors are us being scared away by the evil they represent? . I can see where your going with this, and while I can agree on some parts about vampire lore I cant agree with that rational when it comes to REMAKING an older movie for today's audience. Granted it cant be EXACT scene for scene and Im glad it isnt but I grew up with zombies moving as slow as my 56K modem and thats how I like them. I also liked 28 Days Later... I didnt mind the zombies moving at an accelerated rate, hell they reminded me of Crimson Heads from RE. Its like this...what if they re-made King Kong and suddenly decided instead of taking a female to the top of the building he instead took a guy, or instead of just roaring they made him speak? It just doesnt work. So while some of us "villagers" like our zombies slow that doesnt mean that there is no room for change, but we already had one bad zombie "film" (HOTD) so whats wrong with people not willing to welcome this movie with open arms?
all I'm saying is that this re-make is another person's vision.

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Old 10-21-03 | 11:50 AM
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all I'm saying is that this re-make is another person's vision.
And Im fine with people re-invisioning old stories just so long as they dont turn out to be crap. I have every hope that this movie will do well, but I hope this doesnt give other people the go ahead to make every zombie know wire-fu and run faster than your average human.


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