I'll pretend I didn't hear that.

Lion King is my all time fave, but Hunchback, Tarzan and Emperor's New Groove are close behind.

Hunchback especially. It's the most "musical" like of any Disney movie.

Agreed... and thankfully, they included the original movie on the DVD. The original pouncing scene is 100x better.

Wow - I'll probably never even bother seeing the Morning Report version given all the negative press.


First onscreen Disney animated death....

already been addressed, and i mostly agree, but i must say that TARZAN was pretty exceptional. i sort of liked lilo and stitch too.

probably a good move. wish i hadn''t watched it...

if anything, just watch it by itself, not as part of the movie and file it under "what in the hell were they thinking?"

Sorry. Nothing unique about this movie. Overrated in my book.

Probably the most overrated Disney film of all time. Bad songs, trite story, unfunny (more like unnecessarily 'humorous'), and lukewarm animation. I could never figure out why it was so popular. It pales in comparison to Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast or even Lilo and Stitch and it's on a whole level of quality below the real Disney classics of their golden era.

Best movie ever, man. Even with the changed crocodiles.

Thanks for the link.

Okay, so what's all this about the Morning Report? I can't figure out where that's at. Is it on the dvd? Does the dvd have the original movie without the Morning Report? Sorry if this has been covered somewhere in the four threads, and countless posts, I'm just not that interesting in searching through them all, so help a lazy mofo out, aight?

These movies would be so much better without the musical singing garbage.

That said, I do enjoy some of the songs in this and most other Disney flicks. They really need to cut down on them though. Adding more does not help.

Okay, I figured out about Morning Report on my own. Good thing they left the original version, sans original crocs, on there, or else I'd have to join Class in his crusade.

Revolter, I sooo agree. I remember liking Hunchback in the theater for it's art and themes, but then I bought it and remembered how much the songs grated on my @#$%^&* nerves.

So why continue to see animated Disney films?

Again, why the hell did you buy it?

Uh, gee, I don't know, maybe because I like the animation and the themes.

You know there's more to Disney than singing, right?

Yeah, the hidden gems like SEX, priest boners and characters telling us only good girls take off their tops..

But why contribute to something that in the long run will only irritate you? If Disney (wait, no ok I'll use terms you'll understand) Di$ney films irritate you with the musical numbers, and you know that they are a common practice why bother? I too like animation, but if I'm irritated because of numeroous musical numbers Im not gonna spend my money on it.

Whoah whoah whoah zero, now you seriously need to get off my ass; "(wait, no ok I'll use terms you'll understand) Di$ney".... that's totally uncalled for. I said I had an issue specifically with Hunchback, and with the musical numbers in general. How do you take from that that I'm some anti-Disney nutcase that can only understand 'Di$ney'?

I love Disney, always have, so I'd appreciate it if you quit ridin' me about the one aspect that I could do without, or with less of anyway. I do like music and song, but it seems the movies have progressively become more and more about song and dance numbers than the story. So sue me if I like plot and characterization.


p.s., and why the hell did I buy Hunchback? If you go back and read my post again, you'll see that I had forgot the movie was so musical. However, I like Hunchback because it's set in a world of grotesque art, and classical architecture, costume, and characterization. This is what I remembered fondly of the movie, and this is why I bought it.

And @ Jack.

Ok glad we NOW understand each other, and I wasnt aware I was on your ass my comment was said out of sarcasm because I have a feeling youd never say something like Di$ney....or would you????

Well, when you say that you'll use terms I can understand, and then reference 'Di$ney', it seemed pretty clear to me that you did in fact think I would use such language.

But moving on, and to answer your question; nope, not my style. When I have a beef with Disney, I pretty much stick to the beef and leave the fat on the plate.

I don't like the few instances of self-censorship, as in the Fantasia centaurs and Song of the South, and again, I think they're beginning to rely more on churning out musicals than paying much attention to 'the craft' these days, but I prefer to stick to the issues than blast them with cheap rhetoric.

So, long story short, no, I don't use Di$ney. (Actually, every now and then, I will use 'Dizzy' when they make a boneheaded move, but that more comes from an old MAD Magazine gag that I'm fond of, which I use more out of humor than out of seething hatred)

re musicals in disney animation - one reason i liked lilo and stitch was it wasn't a musical.

on the other hand i really like Mulan, and even liked the musical number "I'll Make a Man out of You" a lot.

Actually, I disagree with both statements.

I'd be willing to bet money that the MAJORITY of Lion King viewers are completely unaware of the likely plagiarism, or at the least the inoriginality of the story.

Further, how can the "greatness" of the Lion King NOT be diminished because of it?
It's fact that Roy Disney himself mentioned "Kimba" in an interview, yet Disney contends that the creators of Lion King had never heard of Kimba?

You sure do have a different definition of the word "diminished" than, because I'm fairly sure that a significant % of people would have less warm and fuzzy memories of this movies if they knew the facts that ARE known, or if the whole story about the Lion King's development ever did come out (which of course won't happen, since Disney is in control of it.)

though it didn't have any dance numbers, music was a big part of what made Lilo and stitch good. You recieved the Hawiian sound which provided an extra kick which helped me enjoy the movie even more.

Not just fratricide, but regicide!