sorry, sorry again...

I am a STAR WARS fan, and I have to disagree with the above statement.

I do think that the prequels have "tarnished" the STAR WARS name, in a way, because they really put the spotlight on how much Lucas is lacking as a director/writer.

The batting average of the STAR WARS saga, before the prequels, was a .999

Now, it's more like a .700



So, now, about that new hair............

I think you're confusing George the creator with the Movies. So now when you watch Star Wars, they're suddenly BAD movies for you?

Oh I'm sorry, we didn't get the insight from a Star Wars Fan before yours. You do realize that there is plenty of fans who dont see it that way. Being a fan myself I have to disagree. of course I have pretty much all versions of the film from vhs to LD to bootleg dvd, I have to say that the originals are only tainted by how out of date they have become. that is the real testiment. I can still look at the OT and seperate it from the prequels. just because you dislike one, it doesn't make the others bad. that lower batting average might just be because you feel you have been cheated. it's funny talking to star wars nut jobs who have opposing views on these subject. talk to anyone who is a film fan and they will tell you that they want to see what the director intended.. thus the directors cut is born and viewed as the master of all copies... well all except when it comes to star wars. For Star Wars, the Directors cut is the one that they hate the most. why? because greedo shoots first and lucas raped and pillaged their childhood with such scenes. all stupidity if you ask me. the originals are out there on one format or another.. chances are you don't even have the originals in the bootlegged version you have since even before it was cool to bitch about the fixed versions, they were altered slightly before. either way, the OT is still untouched and the same to me before and after the prequels.


not to mention the irony of folks hating how things are changed. take for example fett. he is dead. he died in a sarlac pit. end of story. I can't see why the fans felt it was alright and dandy to go back and eat it up when the comics claimed he was alive and survived the pit. it's not canon to the story, but hey, the fans wanted to change things around because they liked the character. But once the director wants to change the film around, in some aspects to please the fans.. bam! pretty much cursed at because his new vision didn't meet the fans vision. blah.

speaking as a star wars fan I can say that we totally suck and don't know what we want.. but we know that we want to bitch about it.

look out, the grammatical correction!

Interesting replies. I have to agree that the new movies have zero effect on how great the original trilogy is. Although I have to wonder when people start listing their fav Star Wars films and they put AOTC above ROTJ. Now, Return of the Jedi was no masterpiece but it was still miles better than Clones. There's no comparison. About Lucas and the director's cut thing. Well I think its more if you agree with that director's intentions then go for it. Lucas is not the only director I'd say no to a DC from. Its rough being a Star Wars fan, full of anticipation and disappointment.

Well, of course I didn't mean that I am the know-all, be-all sayer of the Universe, but as a Star Wars fan, I am entitled to my humble opinion.


Now, let's get back to the Anakin pic....I believe that is the whole point of this thread.

Actually, it is true, as I see it. They aren't bad, but in retrospect, I overlooked a lot of stuff I never would have reexamined. These prequels were much better in my mind and the minds of many Star Wars fans than they've emerged to be in practice. Part of the Star Wars magic was just this mythic mixture that produced these very fresh, original and enjoyable movies. The clamor for the prequels was fueled by that intangible that left so many people being so devoted to these films. I myself was never a complete disciple, but I found them immensely enjoyable, I never even considered the next 3 could be anything less than brillant. But they lack magic, and magic was half the power of Star Wars, and that untouchability, that magic, has vanished in Episode IV, V and VI. Again, look at stuff that hangs on too long. Aerosmith, Saturday Night Live, the Simpsons. All these things will feature their diehards that proclaim them to be "better than ever" but use your own gauge. The latter day work of all those properties has soured the earlier work with me without question. If the next Star Wars movie sucks, that will be 2 great ones, one good one, and 2-3 bad ones(I go back and forth on Episode I). If the prequels suck, I can never view the originals the same way.

In the words of Red Leader....STAY ON TARGET.

Look why dont we all just email Harry Knowles at AintItMyCrappyWEbsitebecauseIknowitallnews.crap and ask him if some "mystery guy" has sneaked him a "exclusive" look at Epsidoe III since he is SUCH a great journalist.

HEEEEEEEEEEEERE'S TARKIN!!!!

yarr.. And I was about to post that picture up. aye, beaten by time.

That is seriously messed up how much they look alike

No offense, but that's stupid. If that's the case, can you tell me why Star Wars is still the most talked about subject on every board on the internet. Can you tell me why people still yearn for the originals on DVD and bitch about it constantly. Nothing about the first 3 changes because some fanboys are disappointed with the new ones. You're arguing that ESB suddenly becomes a bad film if you don't like Episode III, and that's ridiculous. Now, your interest may wane in Star Wars if you end up disappointed in the prequels, but that doesn't change the great films they are.

Well, that's your own personal problem. That doesn't mean others feel the same way. Whether you're a Star Wars fan after the prequels is something you'll have to decide for yourself. It's not a requirement that you be a Star Wars fan, ya know! You don't have to be one now. Since you didn't like the first two, why bother with Episode III. Pass it by and move on to something else.

As for the originals, something tells me when and if the originals are put out on DVD, you'll be right there, eager and excited to shell out your hard earned money, again.

Probably the vast majority. Still, these arguments have been beaten to death. I don't have much desire to argue this point for the umpteenth time. The originals are great films. That never changes. End of story. There is one thing I find amusing though. People always tend to enforce the fact that they are Star Wars fans before they start in with the criticism. I've always found that funny.

Well, I've always maintained Jedi was a very good film that was the weakest of the original trilogy, but was not a weak film by any means. It sure is a hell of an entertaining one. You ask most people who like Star Wars, and I gurantee you most like Jedi the most.

Now, can we get back to the topic of this thread please! This is not a thread about arguing the merits of the prequels. It's about a single picture.

another smuggled pic?

Another update on Tarkin. He's actually played by Christopher Eccleston of Jude and 28 Days Later fame:

I heard that was a CGI pic...

Well then I live with being stupid, in your eyes. I don't feel like I am. The yearnings of people are not my concern, they also yean for the Adventures of Ford Fairlaine. And when the OT comes out AND Ford Fairlaine comes out, I will buy them both. I like them, but that does not make them great movies. But I do think Star Wars and Empire are GREAT movies, regardless of how you slice it.

Now I've never been able to put my finger on the fanboy tag. You seem to be bashing me and tagging me a fanboy, and looking down your nose as though you are not one yourself(whatever the hell a "fanboy" is). But to me, my working definition definately includes blind defense of a property(ala Star Trek or the Matrix). I've chosen to look critically at the last two films, and when I share the real consideration that it would tarnish my Episode I-VI experience, the hounds come out. Guess what, I"m not alone. And nobody wants to lose their love, Lucas is beating it out of use, reel by digital reel. Part of the mystique and greatness is what Lucas created. This little bolt of genius crafted this universe and let us all visit and it was as if by some divine luck we got this art called Star Wars. It truly was greater than the sum of it's parts. But now instead of thinking the first 3 movies were inspired destiny, and carrying that good feeling to the next three, I get the feeling more and more that they were just luck. And the best movie wasn't even directed by Lucas, and all sorts of negativity that I would have never been so inclined to explore if the last two movies weren't so shoddy. Maybe I've crossed to the darkside. So in bringing out my critical eye, I used to enjoy the OT like candy, now I read the nutritional label and see the real deal. Same content, just seen a different way, not necessarily for the better.



Where did I say I wouldn't buy it on DVD if they came out? I own the last two on DVD, why wouldn't I own the first 3? I got them cheap and I do screen them every so often, hoping to find something to love. I think that's what the Star Wars apologists ignore. We do live in very negative society, and we wait for people to fail, things to suck, but I genuinely believe that people WANTED this to be great. Hence the kind reactions to a substandard Episode I. But after Episode II, people like me are simply worried about the franchise, which was my post that started this.


Well, I think it's a valid inclusion, because if you hated the original movies, who really cares about your opinion on the second set of movies? Chances are you WOULD hate the second set, I've never met anyone who liked the last 2 but hated the first 3.

What you are all missing is that you saw the original star wars 26 years ago and most of us were just kids back then. It has achieved mythical status since then. Nothing made now can come close to what was done then because you dont really remember how you felt watching it so long ago. You know now how you think you felt then and that is not going to be duplicated now.

If you look at the movies back then as critically as you look at the movies now, you will see that the original star wars starts off very slow. It seems like forever before Luke, Han and Obi wan finallly leave to go to the death star. (much like the obnoxiously slow start to attack of the clones). And Return of the Jedi is quite possibly the worst acted movie I have ever seen. Even Harrison Ford was awful in it. The scene where Luke tells Leia they are brother and sister is unwatchable to me.

I was the biggest fan as a kid. I had every toy and action figure ever made at one point when I was like 10. I love those movies and I love the new ones. But the new ones will never be as good as the old and there is no way I will think any less of the old ones because of that.

Please make the distinction. I didn't call you stupid. I called your notion that the originals instantly become bad films because of disappointment with the prequels as stupid.

Well, that's strictly a matter of opinion. The one Star Wars film that was nominated for a Best Picture Oscar, and the one that started the whole phenomenon, was directed by Lucas. If the original hadn't been so great, Star Wars would have never gotten off the ground. Empire would have never been made. But go ahead. Lucas bashers are usually the first to start taking credit away from the man that created Star Wars in the first place.

That makes a lot of sense, and I wholeheartedly agree.

Help me understand this, because I never have. Why in God's name do people who don't like the prequels, buy them on DVD? It makes no sense. I don't care if you spend $2 on each DVD. Why waste one red cent on these DVDs if you don't like the films in the first place?

pquote]people like me are simply worried about the franchise, which was my post that started this.[/quote]

Why? It's like Lucas said. At the end of the day, these are just 2 hour pieces of entertainment. People shouldn't live and die by these things. Why get so worried over something you can control? Was Star Wars a monumental film that impacted film, pop culture, and an entire generation of people? Of course. But still, Lucas is right. They're movies. Besides, except for a couple of bad love scenes, I thought AOTC was quite good. But since I don't have any control over them, I'm not going to worry myself to death over them.

I just can't leave well enough alone.

it's called nostalgia.........when you are a kid the movies you watch, the music you listen to, all of it seems to be better than the new stuff coming out. not to say that the new star wars movies aren't garbage, but ask an 11 year old kid 15 years from now and i bet he'll say that the new Episode 7 movie "isn't made like they used to"

Good point, but since there will never be an Episode 7......

I think we disagree on the other points, and it's two differing opinions and that's ok, but I don't think either one of us will convince the other to think differently.

But this is one point I must contend with. I mean, why are you in movie talk if you aren't up for this sort of debate? I don't argue the small details of film in the coffee shop or in the bar. But I do here, becuase I generally assume theres a likeminded convergence of folks who will debate the Star Wars impact.

Lucas at the eye of the storm, I expect him to say nothing less. It's just his job, and a statement like that only reenforces that belief. If felt like it was something more when he started.

But we are free to talk about it. I mean, that's what the love of movies is about where I stand. I cringe when the . My favorite movie is the Godfather, it's perfect, for me. But if some how Michael Corleone , I would have been hugely dissappointed with it. The director is usually the final arbiter of judgement on a piece, but when things are glaringly amiss, I think debate is healthy. Especially in a piece like Star Wars, where the films are so interconnected. I always view the first three as a single piece. And what a great piece it was, the best trilogy ever for my money. And I think there was hope that it would become the greatest sixpart series ever concieved. But a funny thing happened on the way to that, and the last two don't hold a candle to the first three. And if the final one doesn't successfully connect the trilogies, I'll be enormously let down by the entire Star Wars universe. Yes it's just entertainment, just like a sports team just plays games or a band just puts out albums. But I think we all long to be part of history. To have films stand the test of time, and be able to look at being in on the ground floor of a legacy as a spectator, at the very least. As it is now, Lucas has monkeyed with that potential. Is it the end of the world? No. Do I lose any sleep over it? Nary a wink. But would I like to see these movies good as they can be? You bet your life. And they just aren't right now, where I stand. I hope the last one is, or he's ruining the franchise.

by then Lucas will just be a head in a jar with a cord hooked to him so he can do the CGI himself

Finally, someone who appreciates good grammar.