If I were you, I'd spend a lot more time in school worrying about your remedial-level spelling and grammatical skills, and less time fretting about which religion is being taught... even if it's the "Muslium" one.
Lovely. I thought I'd have to go to the niftiest neo-Nazi website to get poorly-veiled anti-Semitic ramblings, but you saved me a superflous trip. Nicely done. Your copy of The Turner Diaries must be rather dog-eared by now, no?

Fine I'll read 'em. But that won't change the fact that you don't know what you're talking about.

And what makes you think that Mel Gibson's movie is a "True Christian" movie and not a fringe view of the crucifixion? Because that's exactly why I posted that news clip earlier in this thread. Everybody seems to think that Gibson is a mainstream Catholic, but he's definitely not. He belongs to a fringe group of Catholics who have a set of beliefs that oppose the Vatican. He was raised in these beliefs by a father who has publically denied the Holocaust. Are these what you call "true Christians"?

Just like the people who are attacking this film without seeing it, you should know what you're talking about before you start making claims about THE PASSION being a "True Christian" movie. Like I said before, it may end up pissing off more Christians than Jews with his self-proclaimed "historically accurate" version of the events.

No, you are the one showing your ignorance. The Christian Zionist movement is very real and very influential, and it has the characteristics I described it to have. You can hide your head in the sand as long as you want, and you can say "well, they aren't REAL Christians" as long as you want, but none of that will change the facts.

And if you only read ONE article on it, read THIS one:

http://www.aqsa.org.uk/journals/vol3iss1/zionism.html

Where oh where did I ever say it was a "true Christian" movie?? I'm fully aware of Gibson's so-called "Rogue Catholic Faith" and I never said he was going to make neither a "christian feel good movie" nor a "true Christian film".

NEVER!!


Maybe that's what you wanted to see on my posts but it's not to found in them.

So maybe -YOU- should -READ- my post before you -accuse- me of posting something -I didn't-

No one is hiding his head DG. Seriously.

I ADMITTED THAT THERE ARE FRINGE EXREMISTS...I ADMITTED THAT AND AGREED WITH YOU!!!!!!!

However, they are NOT MAINSTREAM or the MAJORITY of Christians. In fact most Christians would probably have no idea what a "Zionist Christian" is. They're do LOVE Israel and for no other reason than we have been shown through God's Word that they are the Chosen nation.

But then again any Jew wanting Jerusalem back is also branded a "zionist" by antisemetic people who sound just like you so why should I be shocked that you're vomiting this Zionist BS.

Jesus our Lord came through the Jewish nation so why oh why would we wan't anything bad to happen to them????????

You know, we wouldn't have this problem with Mel Gibon's film if there was prayer in schools.

Well, I'm looking forward to this film. Yes, it's a film, not a new gospel.

I wonder did Pier Pasolini - an atheist communist* - get this much aggravation when he made his Jesus flick?

Also, would this film be attracting so much attention if it wasn't a "MEL GIBSON" film? No, no-one would care about a film called Jesus, as played by the guy from Frequency.


On to some of the right-winger posts:

From my review from a while ago in a magazine I sometimes contribute to:

"I will be brief, as the fact that I wasted my time listening to "Weathered" is no reason why I should take my frustration out on you. Creed are incredibly mediocre and there is no redeeming value in any of their so-called music. Their lead singer is anything but, he cannot write a good song, but their guitarist is honestly quite talented - albeit wasted on tawdry solos that sound more like obligatory by-the-numbers rock song add-ons than true, expressive guitar playing. They have very few bearable songs and the rest are painful examples of how not to write a song. Weathered is possibly the worst album I have ever had the misfortune of hearing. Creed will be mentioned in the future only in jest. In short, Creed, as a band, blow.

Happy?

You're correct!

How about Christians like me, who thought it would suck balls? (I did predict that)



*Neither of which is a bad thing. Love thy neighbor.

Of course. We all know that. The very definition of fringe is "outside the mainstream." I'm not even sure what you're screaming about anymore. Is it really necessary to keep blowing your stack over all this? You aren't even arguing about anything that has anything to do with the film anymore. Can't we get back to talking about the movie?

DOGMA's a little different than THE PASSION...most Christian groups WANT to see this movie.

How can it be a "Fringe" view when Mel is using The New Testament as his source material?! You can make the argument that you don't agree with The New Testament's factual basis, but you can't make the argument that by following what's written in the Gospels would make this representation of Christ's death a "fringe" view.

Martin Luther opposed the Catholic Church too...were his views, and the views of all Protestants afterwards "Fringe"? I think you need to look at the issues Mel is questioning with The Church first...he's never questioned the basic Church teachings about Christ's divinity or the validity of The Bible.

Right, but The Passion is being protested by Jewish groups. Both movies are being protested by people who haven't seen the movie. The only difference is the group doing the protesting.

Did the Jews force him to do that also?

How come when he makes changes to "appease the Jews" it's censorship, but when he makes changes to appease people who don't speak ancient biblical languages and who need subtitles to understand the dialogue it's not?

Both seem an attempt to make the movie more mainstream to me.

As I pointed out in the previous topic, Gibson has said many times that he owes much of the screenplay of "Passion" to "The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ" (the diaries of St. Anne Catherine Emmerich) which is not scripture and many people regard as a "fringe" view.

Passion Plays have always been a hot-spot for Jews and even the (real) Catholic church has discredited them. Of course, that's one of the main reasons why Gibson's religious group split for the church and the Pope.

Ah yes, all my favotire sites out there. Like Electronic Intifiada, who has a whole section excusing the way Palestinian people cheered when the World Trade Center was blown to smithereens.

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article512.shtml

And the electronic infitida's main source on Christian Evangelism is one professor from some unknown university in Chicago.

What the hell is North Park University? I live in Chicago and have never heard of it.

http://www.northpark.edu/

It looks to be a private Christian University. 2600 students.

Christian Zionists CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS, and simply follow a book called "The Bible", in particular a book called "The Revelation of St. John". They are Biblical literalists, which accept the Bible as being literally true and without error. Bibical literalists also believe that the book of Revelation is literal-- meaning that there will be a massive series of wars, plagues, and disasters that will kill everyone who is not a Christian (which includes all Jews that do not convert). And biblical literalist WANT Jesus to return and "rapture" them away, thus they WANT the horrible destruction and depopulation of the world.

Incorrectly or not, I associate "evangelical" and "biblical literalist" to be mostly interrelated groups-- and the single largest Protestant group in the United States is the Southern Baptist convention, which is both biblical literallist ans evangelical. And looking out for the "Second Coming", and supporting Israel reclaiming it's Biblically promised territory and rebuilding Herod's Temple on the Temple Mount (in spite of that pesky Al Asqua mosque) so that the "Second Coming" can take place.

So, the largest Protestant group in the United States believes that Israel must follow prophesy to initiate the brutal slaughter of all who are not Christians (the Tribulations) and that any Jew who holds on to his Jewish heritage and beliefs and does not convert to Christianaty will be among the dead.

Is the view of the largest non-Catholic group in the US "not mainstream"? And is wishing to convert the Jews away from their religion "loving them"? Evangelicals, BY DEFINITION are out to convince people to drop their religion and become Christians. So how is THAT "loving" the Jews? And how does my utter contempt for that make me antisemetic?

Hey Darren - nice try.but first your assumptions are incorrect:

1.) All people who associate themselves with a certain group do not neccessarily believe in everything that group believes in. Growing up in Dallas, I knew several Southern Baptists, and they all had different interpretations of Revelations - some took it literally and others did not

2.) Secondly, the Southern Baptists are the largest group outside the Catholic Church - but latest Gallup polls I could find show that in 2001, only 6% of U.S. citizens identify themselves as Southern Baptist. In fact, that has gone down from 10% in 1995. (It has been dropping since 1995)

I would respond but you took the words right out of my
mouth with your post below.


WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! change your pamper because the only crap in
this thread is being spewed from you.

videodrome - what is your problem? Nice personal attack.

I know people who are against anyone who is a church-going person that comes from a traditional family.

I know of others who boycotted any store that had a "God bless America" sign after 9/11 because their atheistic beliefs were offended by those signs.

It's only a matter of time when the ACLU will sue any college that plays Texas Christian University on their sports schedule.

It is truly beautiful how religion brings people together.

As the official Jew spokesperson for the entire Jew nation, I would like to say, we don't really want to censor Mel Gibson, but we are a wee bit gunshy of this whole "We killed Christ" stuff. It was really only in the last 50 years that the Vatican let us off the hook, so we're just spooked.

I want to say, that you people are very mean to each other, I tend to disagree with all of the Christians posting that Christians are persecuted, but hey... that's because I'm a JEW!!!

As a spokesperson for all Jews I would like to say that the only thing we all agree upon, is our love for Strawberry ice cream.

Actually, I'm partial to jew-jew-bees (over any kind of ice cream).

go back into the tv Videodrome

Why don't movies like THE HULK ever get protested? Now there's a film we all could have done without.