It's possible that the Catholic church won't like the film either. I think people are forgetting that Gibson is a hardline traditionalist. Read this from an editorial on About.com:

"Reforms created at the Second Vatican Council eliminated much of the language and teaching which had been used within Catholicism to justify anti-semitism - but Gibson belongs to an ultra-traditionalist form of Catholicism that rejects the authority of Vatican II and, apparently, the current pope. He is frequently portrayed as simply being 'Catholic,' but he is Catholic in a way that would be unrecognizable to most. So why doesn't the media make this point more often and more clearly?"

In the end, just as many Christians may find fault with Gibson's self-proclaimed "historically accurate" film as Jews.

Which religious fanatics are you referring to? The Anti-Defamation League? Sorry, but they aren't fanatics. Maybe you're talking about Jewish leaders in general? I would hope not.

But that is exactly how a lot of people think (or don't think) these days, even ones that can't type in complete sentences. And anti-Christianity is a far larger "movement" so-to-speak in America than anything resembling anti-Semitism.

The media and the left love the simplicity of labels, so the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton (blacks), Trent Lott (Republicans), John Ashcroft (Pentecostal), etc. become the representative "voice" of their constituents. It's a lot simpler and easier to push agendas that way. In fact, just look at Garrison's post below -- he loves grouping everyone together under the same heading.

Of course, I guess it does take a rocket scientist to decipher the difference between "I can see" and "I absolutely 100% believe this down to the core."

I am a devout Christian and I think Jerry Falwell is an idiot. And the majority of people i know think the same, so no he is not speaking for all Christians.
Did "Last Temptation of Christ" have a problem getting picked up by a major studio(i know it had a lot of people who was agaisnt it before they ever saw it, but i didn't know about the studios). I was only 12 at the time so i wasn't really paying attention. That wasn't really based on the bible, but i will say that in certain scenes Willim Dafoe played the Best Jesus i've ever seen in a film.

Oh, you mean the way Christians were predicting "Left Behind" to be a blockbuster? (They were predicting that) And how they thought it would change the world and lead droves of people to become Christians? (They did predict that)

I really don't know the specifics on LTOC, but it basically was protested by everyone, seen by no one, and Scorsese had a hell of a time getting it made. These religious movies seem to get everyone's panties in a bunch, but few people actually go and see them.

You are probably right. The controversy surrounding this picture will generate migraines for any company that distributes the movie and grief for theaters who exhibit the film. Isn’t that the point of the demonstrations, letter-writing campaigns, and other tactics---to up the ante to the point where it’s safer to pass than to play?

I'm hoping...and willing to bet...that Miramax picks this one up. It's just the kind of risky movie they like to pick up, and it could prove to be their big Oscar picture push for this year.

The same Miramax that dropped Dogma when things got hot? Don't count on it.

Is the movie still in dead languages without subtitles?

Everyone's screaming about ADL or whatever trying to stop this movie, but the above surely the ultimate box office kiss of death.

I mean, if they have to dub the word "football" into "soccer" for the US release of "Bend it Like Beckham," imagine what moviegoers will do with two hours of Latin.

That is true, but, unfortunately people like Falwell and Pat Robertson carry a lot of clout.

It seems that nobody wants to listen to moderate and liberal Christians. Just the cryptofascist zealots.

Gibson backpedaled on that. It will now have subtitles.

On that Muslium religion is allowed in public schools& collage campus. That was on the news.
And when there's news of anything Jewish or Christian being mentioned in public schools or collage campus, the ACLU is quick to jump on that. That's been on the news a few times after 9-11.

Now on what I ment on who runs the world, that's written clearly in the bible. I don't want to say because if you want to know read it. But when I read that verse it explained to me why the world is the way it is and the injustice all over the world.

from what I hear, the cost of the flick is around $25 million. I think this controversy only fuels the interest, and it should easily make it's money back through the theaters and DVD sales.

I for one, won't pick it up or see it. I have no interest in Gibson's religious preference and him wanting to use movie's as a way to preach it. Same with Travolota's 'Battlefield Earth'.

Please elaborate. I want to know what YOUR feelings are on who is running the world. At least give chapter and verse.

I don't know why you're afraid to come out and say exactly what you mean without dancing around the issue.

Well I hope someone will pick it up and distribute it cause I really want to see it. Im excited about the lack of english and use of the actual languages in the movie, but I guess that might just me me.

Cant wait to see it.

Once again, give me the URLs or references to newspaper/magazine articles showing where the ACLU has advocated the teaching of Islam as Fact in public schools and Universites. And please also reference where teaching ABOUT Judiasm and Christianity IN A SECULAR PERSPECITVE, and not as FACT, is supressed.

UTTER BS. REAL Christians will not think anything negative against Jewish people. REAL Christians love Jews and pray daily for the peace of Israel. Some of the BIGGEST supporters of Jews here in America are the same Christians many here on dvdtalk HATE.

BTW, a city official is calling for studios to reject the film. So I say it is a form of censorship. Shouldn't he be worried about potholes, crime, and city corruption on the govenrment level?


Frankly I don't give crap what you guys say. If it were any other Faith being treated this way you all would be singing a different tune.

Face it, most of you hate anythng that could hold Christianity in a positive light. When Christians were pissed about Last Temptation of Christ, you were all telling Christians to shut up.... "It's just a movie".

It's so funny how you guys are so dishonest about this hatred of Christians.


censorship

n 1: counterintelligence achieved by banning or deleting any information of value to the enemy [syn: censoring, security review] 2: deleting parts of publications or correspondence or theatrical performances [syn: censoring]


Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

Evangelical Christians want the Jews to conquer all of the lands (encompassing several other countries in the reigon) that "God" told them belonged to them in the Bible so that the 2nd coming can happen and all non-Christians can be brutally slaughtered (by sword or by plague, it is still slaughter by "God") so that all Chrsitians (and ONLY Christians) can be happy forever and ever and ever. The Christian wet-dream is the slaughter of everyone who is not a Christian. Just read the book of Revelation and then see how much of Christian retoric is praying for that situation to take place as soon as possible.



Gee, how could that plan EVER engender hate?

It would only be censorship if he was FORCING studios to reject the film. Mr. Hikind is entitled to his opinion of the movie, even if it is uninformed. As are you and I. Just because he is an Assemblyman doesn't mean that he doesn't have a right to share his views.Back that up.Back that up.It was just a movie. One made by a Christian, one that held Christianity in a posititve light. The folks that protested that are no different than those who are protesting The Passion now. In both cases, it is my opinion that the protestors should see the movie first, and that both groups are equally silly. What's the inconsistancy?

NOT TRUE. You're posting absolute lies. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about and just trying to be an ass with your hateful crap filled post.

I don't need to back anything up. I see what I see here on dvdtalk.

Scratching the surface is:

http://www.jerusalemites.org/articles/english/4.htm
http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/Ch.../0403Wolf.html
http://www.wwrn.org/parse.php?idd=9256
http://www.hcef.org/events/3conference/AwadSpeech.htm
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1795.shtml
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%2...ard%20Said.htm

http://www.rickross.com/reference/fu...s/fund112.html
http://www.sm.org/exegesis/0203-israel.html

NOT true Christians sites. These site are all about calling ALL Christian Cultists. While I will admit...more than you're willing to do concerning your hatred of Christians...that there's a fringe element that has extreme views in Christianity, they DO NOT fall in line with TRUE Christian beliefs. True Christians are also vocal about denouncing these extremists.




you even had the balls to include a site from aljazeerah? We all know how much they care about "truth" concering anyone not Arab. Why don't you include a KKK site while you're at it?

Why not try actually READING some of the articles first? Like it or not, a LARGE NUMBER (many millions) of Evangelical Christians think exactly what I accused them of thinking. If you want to split hairs and claim that they are "not Christians" because their views don't fit your premise of what a Christian is supposed to beleive, go right ahead. But not only do they concider themselves Christians, there are the single most outspoken group of Christians in the US and arguably the world.