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Groucho 07-14-03 06:50 PM

BTW, something else I noticed. This is the first studio film I have ever seen that did not show the studio logo at the beginning of the film. It goes straight to the title. The logos for Disney and Bruckheimer aren't shown until the very end.

Geofferson 07-14-03 06:50 PM

I saw it Saturday night and thought it was very entertaining. It wouldn't have been nearly as good as it was if it hadn't been for Depp though.

zerotl 07-14-03 07:41 PM

There should've been more pillaging and debauchery. JK. Awesome flick.

Awesome movie, but could've been more better if it was nip and tucked a bit. Kinda on the long side, maybe becuase we caught the 12:30 AM @ edgewater NJ.

But oh yeah, to regular coupling fans here, did you notice one of the main characters in the movie???? I'm suprised no one has mentioned him yet...

Chim 07-15-03 01:29 AM

absolutely awesome movie, saw it twice

Giantrobo 07-15-03 04:46 AM

One thing I liked about the movie, mind you I don't know how accurate it was, they had Black pirates. I never thought about it but if the Pirates were in the Caribbean it would make sense that some would be black. I would imagine getting men to man the ships and to build up the pirate ranks would involve getting capable men no matter what race.

Now, only if the Disney ride reflected that... :p

But I wouldn't want piss anymore of you "good ole boys" off by changing the ride.

darkflounder 07-15-03 06:41 AM

Second best movie of the summer (after Finding Nemo).

I am not expecting as much from The Haunted Mansion. This is Eddie Murphy we're talking about.

lisadoris 07-15-03 08:08 AM


Originally posted by Giantrobo
One thing I liked about the movie, mind you I don't know how accurate it was, they had Black pirates. I never thought about it but if the Pirates were in the Caribbean it would make sense that some would be black. I would imagine getting men to man the ships and to build up the pirate ranks would involve getting capable men no matter what race.

Now, only if the Disney ride reflected that... :p

But I wouldn't want piss anymore of you "good ole boys" off by changing the ride.

And don't forget, there was a woman pirate as well! Gotta love it.

Dr. DVD 07-15-03 09:25 AM

Plot question:

Spoiler:
Why did they need the blood of Bootstrap Bill or his son specifically? Wouldn't any of them have sufficed? Also, if Bootstrap was cursed like the rest of them, wouldn't that have made it difficult for him to bleed? Finally, why did the give up when they turned mortal, as they will no doubt be hanged for their misdeeds?

Amel 07-15-03 09:28 AM


Originally posted by lisadoris
And don't forget, there was a woman pirate as well! Gotta love it.
An extremely hot woman pirate. Definitely loved that! Nothing better than a hot bad girl.


slop101
Am I the only one that thinks this was the tamest PG-13 movie ever?
I think it definitely deserved a PG-13. Lots of killing. Not bloody. But scenes of people being shot in the head, gutted with swords, and stabbed in the back with axes would keep me from taking young kids.


Groucho
BTW, something else I noticed. This is the first studio film I have ever seen that did not show the studio logo at the beginning of the film. It goes straight to the title. The logos for Disney and Bruckheimer aren't shown until the very end.
I think Verbinski's "The Ring" was like this also. I love when a movie jumps right to the story, not 5 minutes of titles and credits.


Dr. DVD

Plot question:

Spoiler:
Why did they need the blood of Bootstrap Bill or his son specifically? Wouldn't any of them have sufficed? Also, if Bootstrap was cursed like the rest of them, wouldn't that have made it difficult for him to bleed? Finally, why did the give up when they turned mortal, as they will no doubt be hanged for their misdeeds?

Spoiler:
Each person, or monkey, that took a coin from the chest has to return that coin with their blood for the curse to be lifted. Since Will was the son of bootstrap, he had his blood running through him. The pirates bled when they weren't under the moonlight, while in their human form.
I figured they gave up because they were part in shock of finally being human again, part because they were extremely outnumbered and would've been slaugtered, and part because if they gave up that would give them time for an opportunity to escape.

Dr. DVD 07-15-03 09:47 AM


Originally posted by Amel

Spoiler:
Each person, or monkey, that took a coin from the chest has to return that coin with their blood for the curse to be lifted. Since Will was the son of bootstrap, he had his blood running through him. The pirates bled when they weren't under the moonlight, while in their human form.
I figured they gave up because they were part in shock of finally being human again, part because they were extremely outnumbered and would've been slaugtered, and part because if they gave up that would give them time for an opportunity to escape.

Spoiler:
Well, why didn't the pirates give the blood themselves if they could bleed? I remember them saying they found out that Bootstrap was who they needed after they sunk him, so why just him and not one of the others? Also, wouldn't the curse have eventually turned Elizabeth into a skeleton as well, or does the curse only affect those who directly take the gold?

Groucho 07-15-03 09:56 AM

Dr. DVD,

Spoiler:
1. The Pirates did give their own blood. The only one whose blood they didn't have was Bootstrap's, because they lost him somewhere in the ocean.

2. Only those who take the coin directly from the chest get cursed.

Think about what a horrible fate Bootstrap had. He was stuck, ALIVE, under the ocean all those years, only to finally have the curse lifted and drown. UGH.

The REAL QUESTION: how did the pirates know for sure that returning the coins/blood would lift the curse? Just a lucky guess?

Giantrobo 07-15-03 10:12 AM


Originally posted by Groucho
Dr. DVD,

Spoiler:
1. The Pirates did give their own blood. The only one whose blood they didn't have was Bootstrap's, because they lost him somewhere in the ocean.

2. Only those who take the coin directly from the chest get cursed.

Think about what a horrible fate Bootstrap had. He was stuck, ALIVE, under the ocean all those years, only to finally have the curse lifted and drown. UGH.

The REAL QUESTION: how did the pirates know for sure that returning the coins/blood would lift the curse? Just a lucky guess?


Spoiler:
that's right! AND...when Depp took the coins and kept one he was cursed for a short time. before he returned the coin he cut his hand and gave it to Bloom. Bloom then bled his own blood breaking the curse on the pirates. that's when the captain could be killed by the lone bullet. but the curse was not broken for Depp. Depp broke his own curse by cutting his hand and getting the blood on the coin he took. As far as how did they know...remember, the captain said they knew about the curse but none of them believed in it until they noticed how they were changed

Morf 07-15-03 11:53 AM

Did anyone notice a flaw in Captain Jack Sparrow's escape during the beginning of the movie? He was handcuffed, and slid down the rope that was going from one pole to another. That simply wasn't possible. Think about it: with your hands cuffed together, your arms and your body make a complete circle. How can you get a rope in there in order to slide away?

Kal-El 07-15-03 12:03 PM


Originally posted by Morf
Did anyone notice a flaw in Captain Jack Sparrow's escape during the beginning of the movie? He was handcuffed, and slid down the rope that was going from one pole to another. That simply wasn't possible. Think about it: with your hands cuffed together, your arms and your body make a complete circle. How can you get a rope in there in order to slide away?
Yeah, that was bugging me too after he got off the rope to land.

Groucho 07-15-03 12:25 PM


Originally posted by Morf
Did anyone notice a flaw in Captain Jack Sparrow's escape during the beginning of the movie? He was handcuffed, and slid down the rope that was going from one pole to another. That simply wasn't possible. Think about it: with your hands cuffed together, your arms and your body make a complete circle. How can you get a rope in there in order to slide away?
There's actually a 10-minute cut scene where Orlando Jones cuts the link so that Depp can get off the rope, and then reattaches it. It was cut for pacing reasons.

Josh H 07-15-03 02:04 PM


Originally posted by Joe Schmoe
BTW, what was up with those "little funny" hand waves?
The pirate on the ship tells bloom he went "mad from the heat" on the island, and Bloom is like "Oh so that's why he's always (then does the impersonation).

But of course after that we find out he was only on the island for 3 days, so I guess it's just a weird eccentricity. Or too much rum. ;)

El-Kabong 07-15-03 03:43 PM


Originally posted by Morf
Did anyone notice a flaw in Captain Jack Sparrow's escape during the beginning of the movie? He was handcuffed, and slid down the rope that was going from one pole to another. That simply wasn't possible. Think about it: with your hands cuffed together, your arms and your body make a complete circle. How can you get a rope in there in order to slide away?
Actually what he does is swing one end of the chain over and uses that. Basicly the left hand holds the middle of the chain, folded over on itself.

Dont forget - the handcuffs were really long back then.



Originally posted by Dr. DVD
Spoiler:
Well, why didn't the pirates give the blood themselves if they could bleed? I remember them saying they found out that Bootstrap was who they needed after they sunk him, so why just him and not one of the others? Also, wouldn't the curse have eventually turned Elizabeth into a skeleton as well, or does the curse only affect those who directly take the gold?

[spoilers]
Ah - see, EVERYone had to spill blood. For the curse to be lifted, all members of the raiding party needed to preform the ritual. Miss a man, and nobody is off the hook. In the pirates case, 50 guys needed to do the deed to undo things (and thus the problem with only 49 guys available). In Capt'n Jack's case - only one man needed to spill blood to undo the curse.

As for Elizabeth eventually turning, I imagine that she'd be safe - or as safe as someone could be on a boat load of undead cutthroats and murders - provided that she didnt touch the gold.
[/spoilers]

Morf 07-15-03 04:27 PM


Originally posted by El-Kabong
Actually what he does is swing one end of the chain over and uses that. Basicly the left hand holds the middle of the chain, folded over on itself.
Ah. I was wondering if he did something like that. It happened so fast, I was like "What in the glavin?".

LiquidSky 07-16-03 07:50 AM

Depp was great as usual. I would give the film a 6.5/10.

ravan 07-18-03 02:28 AM

LOVED IT!!!

Cant wait for sequel :)

Rogue588 07-18-03 03:43 AM

so...has anyone heard a confirmation of the December 2nd street date for the DVD yet..?

::fingerscrossed::

Flashback 07-18-03 03:20 PM

Saw this finally last night and had a blast....Depp/Rush were great like some have stated already. The length did not bother me at all. However, the tease after the credits, sorry IMHO, was not worth sitting through. I would rather have had someone tell me (actually there were only about 6 people who sat throught to see it).

Also...just for kicks....Chris Cornell (Soundgarden/Audioslave) was in line to see the movie as well.

Giantrobo 07-18-03 03:23 PM


Originally posted by Flashback
...The length did not bother me at all.

Same here. It didn't seem long at all.

Daytripper 07-18-03 05:55 PM


Originally posted by Giantrobo
Same here. It didn't seem long at all.
I know! What the hell was everyone talking about? I wanted MORE! I saw it again. One week after it came out. Would definitely see it a third time. Just a great movie. It was better the second time around. Everyone in it was great. Depp was the best. But the others were excellent too.

B.A. 07-18-03 07:19 PM

I saw it the other night w/ my dad and we both loved it. I have to admit when I saw the first trailers last winter that I thought the film would be awful, but I was definitely glad to be pleasantly surprised.

**** out of *****

I loved the cast - Depp was over-the-top and, of course, great. Rush never disappoints. Bloom was solid, too. I was very impressed w/ Keira Knightley, it was the first I saw from her and she has a very strong screen presence.

The story was fun, the effects were very well done, and it was humorous to boot.

My dad said it was one of the most enjoyable and fun movies he has seen since he saw The Goonies for the first time, which is a big family favorite and one of my all-time favorites, of course.


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