They showed some of this on Dateline last night. The facial models they showed were incredible. It's unfortunate that they weren't able to render with that sort of resolution for the movie.

i think they did a pretty good job on the faces, it was the movements that gave it away.............we just aren't to the point where we can make CGI appear perfectly human on that big of a scale

I was pretty impressed with the fight scene. I haven't seen CG humans done that well done before. Remember the Rock as the lobster in Mummy Returns? Or that CG fight scene in Blade 2. They looked real crappy.

I thought where neo fights all the agent smith's was a tight scene. i couldn't tell that the people were CGI or whatever.

toight and sheckcy, toight like a toiga?

Definitely the best I've seen to this point, but certainly not 'seemless' like many articles were writing about. It was fairly noticeable, but still pretty damn good.

Just for fun... I saw this on another forum. It's a frame from the final trailer. Someone managed to spot this... don't know how, it goes by quick. Anyhoo, this has to be rough/working footage because the background is dark with part of the hangar it was filmed in still visible. The guy in the corner is most likely one of the stand-ins. Someone thought it was John Gaeta... or at least his face.



I can't wait for the DVD so we can start picking these scenes apart. Mwahahaha....

I thought the Burly Brawl was fantastic. Just following the center of action, I think it's hard to see any flaws in the Smiths. CG Neo is a different story. It is obvious. The action is seamless, IMO, but not the switch from real to CG. Still, overall, it's an impressive piece of cinematic work.

2 years to render? Hadn't heard that. Seems like an awful long time. They need a bigger render farm.

Just for the record, "bullet time" was invented by a man named Eadweard Muybridge, in 1887. That little weasel in the extras for the matrix pretends to be the inventor, and fails to mention the person that did EXACTLY what he did, using the same setup. Thanks.

For those of you who don't know what he's talking about:



http://photo.ucr.edu/photographers/m...allery567.html

Very interesting, and in a sense, this IS what the first Bullet Time scenes from the Matrix were. The Burly Brawl obviously took this to a different level.

Hmm? That doesn't look like "bullet time" to me, just a linear photographic progession - a precursor to standard cinematography, sure, but not bullet time. If the camera doesn't change angles or move faster than real time, what is to differentiate it from normal slow motion? Because that is the crux of bullet time - creating camera movement that is too fast to replicate in reality. Otherwise, why didn't they just spin the camera around Neo when he dodged those bullets?

No, John Gaeta didn't invent "bullet time" - the techniques of photogrammetry have been around since the beginning of the 20th century, and of course were applied in movies and TV before the Matrix. But Gaeta went a step forward - a full 360 degree rotation in super-slow motion, rather than a freeze frame. A small distinction, to be sure, but I didn't see anything else like it before.

Just like the movie itself, the elements are unoriginal, but it is original in the application.

Yes, that was pretty horrible. I think the effects were better but at some points it was so obvious that it took me out of the scene. Getting better, but still kind of far off.