one comment. In watching the commentary on Ep II, I remember either lucas or one of the crew speaking about Palpatine and calls him the emperor. I think it was a slip of the lip and not intended to be said.

Anyone else hear that?

It's all a chess match and Palpatine is in control of the black and the white pieces. He is too many moves ahead of the jedi. They have become a little lazy and were not expecting any sneak attack.

I think Dooku and Palpatine are in cahoots and the Jango dart issue is merely a way to get the jedi involved and to let them think they are discovering what is happening, when in fact they are being played as well. The slow decay of the gov't is a long master plan that Palpatine is very patient to reveal and deploy.

Can't wait for Ep III, but I'm sure there won't be too many surprises, it's a matter of seeing what effects they try to get away with! I'm a fan, but there are limits.....

Apparently neither are the movies!

I didn't listen to the commentary, but I don't see how it would be a slip. Any one who's seen Return of the Jedi knows that Palpatine becomes the Emperor. This was possibly mentioned even in at least one of the other 2 original movies, but definitely in ROTJ.

He beat the crap out of Obi Wan, I'd say that's being a pretty good fighter.

I asked this same question at the time of Ep 1 being released, when this same conversation was going on. Has no one ever seen Return of the Jedi?

If you had, you've seen Emperor Palpatine in action. He was called by name in the movie. He was seen using the force and beating the snot out of Luke and Darth with his blue lightning. If you're thinking that Palpatine isn't Darth Sidious, do you think that this middle aged guy suddenly found out he had the force after becoming emperor and somehow became a bigger bad ass than Darth?

Logically, it's fairly clear that Sidious/Emperor are one in the same. Darth Vader was a gnarly dude, but never became emperor himself because his more powerful master sat on the throne. We know that Darth Sidious is his Sith Master, we know that Palpatine is the Emperor... You guys know all about the Clark Kent/Superman thing, right?

Oh, no, he only used on Luke. Vader only stood by his master and watch his son being suffered. Till.... (for anyone who hasn't seen that movie, WATCH IT!)

Yep, you're right. That's when Vader tossed him off the platform.

For further proof they are one in the same, just check out Ian McDiarmid's Bio on IMDB. You'll notice he was Palpatine in ROTJ, and is billed as Palpatine/Darth Sidious in the prequels. I don't think he's playing 2 roles because of budget problems...

http://us.imdb.com/Name?McDiarmid,%20Ian

The dark side is stated to be stronger throughout the series of films. Yoda hid out on Dagobah because a Sith had died there at one point in history so he was cloaked by the residual dark force left behind, and Vader and the Emperor were unable to find him.

Also, the force is said to always be in balance. You've got a bunch of jedi on the good side, but the Sith only ever have 2, a master and an apprentice, to balance the dark side. In Ep 2 they didn't know for sure that Dooku had gone to the darkside, only that he had left the jedi order. He was able to mask that fairly well, apparently.

You're thinking of the Timothy Zahn series (which was written from a outline approved by Mr. Lucas) which introduces us to C'Boath, the cloned Jedi who lives next to the Cloning Chambers in the Volcano of the planet where Vader and ObiWan finally have it out.

Also in the book, the emporer says that he took the hand that Luke lost on Bespin and make a clone of him, that he fights at some point...

I think I need to go back and reread those books... at least they had a plotline I could follow easier. Besides, Talon Carde was the coolest character in the SW universe besides Han Solo...

The movies are really the only things that are canon. Everything in the films takes precedence over everything else.

But remember the talk between Yoda and Mace about how the Jedi are losing their ability to use the force and how they must hide that from the Senate.

Somehow, the Jedi doesn't sense the Dark Side as well as vice-versa (in most cases).

In ANH, it was Darth Vader who sensed Obi-Wan on the Death Star and not the other way around.

In ESB, Yoda was unable to sense the future of Luke and his friends.

However, the exception is when Luke "sensed" Vader on the Executor in ROTJ.

That's my take.

I'd say he held his own... Obi would've got him if Jango didn't run away.. And Mace made short work of him, but admittedly Mace is supposed to be much better than Obi.
Not saying he was bad, just if I was gonna invest all the time and resources in cloning an army of one person he'd be one serious bad a**.

Greg

greg9x, you saw a different movie.

Jedi are virtually unbeatable, Mace is second only to Yoda in combat skills.

They wouldn't have found someone better to clone then Jango. Can you think of anyone?

Yes, well, seeing them talking to each other at the end of the film about how their plans are all working would certainly support that.

Greedo didn't shoot first... Han shot him first because he's a badass.

weak

http://www.arts.mcgill.ca/programs/p...xb/greedo.html

This is exactly why these movies(beginning with Ep 1) are not as good as they used to be because they are getting harder and harder to follow.

Maybe it was just me but I was lost most of the time in Ep. 2 and didn't like it at all. But am willing to give it a second viewing to see if it makes more sense. Not trying to thread crap here either(sorry if it seems like it). Just trying to state a point that they are getting harder to follow.

I don't really think they're harder to follow.. maybe if you try to over-analyze them. However I do think that there is a lot of "behind the scenes" stuff going on that may or may not be explained in Episode 3.

I would just like to point out here that when we have a "Did you like Ep. II?" or "Should Lucas have made more Star Wars movies?" threads, many people answer "They suck", "Boring", "Cartoon-y", "not as good as the originals". etc.

But then whenever we have a thread where we argue the story you see all these posts from people that clearly didn't understand the movie!

"I think Dooku and Palpatine are in cahoots" You've got to be kidding me. Were you in the bathroom or something?

People who complain they couldn't follow the story? Give me a break.

So which is it guys? Are the stories juvinile cartoons or is the simplistic story over many or your heads. I'm tired of hearing Star Wars bashing in one thread and total ignorance of the story in another. I hypothesize that most of the people who don't like the prequels don't understand the underlying story. I bet there are people out there who don't know Anakin becomes Vader!!!

Other good questions:

Is Jango Boba's father?
Why does Obi-Wan look different from Episode I?

WHERE WAS DARTH MAUL IS EPISODE II?!

Yeah, he was an old man in the other one.

Why wasn't Samuel L Jackson in the ones with Indiana Jones?

Wasn't the kid's name "Luke" instead of "Anakin?"

Why did they keep calling the Queen "Senator?

She's senator now, I think Jar Jar is the Queen in this one.

If you watched the same movies as I did, you already know that's not true. Lucas can't decide what's correct in the movies, and changes ideas every chance he gets. There is no 'canon' IMHO.