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Old 04-16-03, 02:23 PM
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I'm 24 as well and despise MTV. I'm not defending the network, but rather saying it's lame to insult people whose movie tastes differ from yours.

You're the one being a dick with comments like "poor viewing habbits."

Who the hell cares what other people watch? I think people that go see 4 or 5 "blockbusters" a year are a lot less lame than the elitist movie buffs whose personal lives seem to revolve around watching movies and bitching about them on the net.
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The problem, which I've stated many times, is not blockbusters in an of themselves, but rather watching ONLY blockbusters. I think a movie like Charlies Angels, K-19, or Spiderman are great for breaking up your "well balanced diet of films". But like the person who only eats Big Macs, only watching blockbusters is not healthy. MTV sends the message that the only thing you should watch is Big Budget, American, and preferably loud.
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Again who cares what other people like to watch.

Watching movies is neither healrthy or unhealthy. It's entertainment(be it laughing, crying, cheering, being disturbed, etc.), end of story.

Some people just make too big a deal out of movies IMO, and really need to wake up and smell the roses.
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Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
Again who cares what other people like to watch.

Watching movies is neither healrthy or unhealthy.
Because I honestly believe it makes you stupid. It makes smart people stupid, and stupid people stupider I honestly can't stand people who only watch whatever's #1 at the box office. My girlfriend is like this and it drives me nuts. Everytime I drag her to something slightly exotic she goes in kicking and screaming and comes out loving it. But it never changes her mind, she's still a slave to whatever TV tells her is good. But whatever, go ahead people, lead shallow lives, I don't care, clearly Josh Hinkle doesn't mind if you do either.
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It's not leading a shallow life. Movies are simply a diversion.

I think its lame to think that movies can make one smarter, a better person or whatever.

Movies are entertainment, there are a million better ways to enrich yourself than sitting on you ass in a theater or on your couch watching movies.
Old 04-16-03, 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
I think its lame to think that movies can make one smarter, a better person or whatever.
Can art make you a better person? Michelangelo? Monet? How about music? Beethoven? The Beatles?
I say YES, art can make you a better person: smarter, happier, more enlightened

You don't seem to see films as being art, so I can see where we differ. Spiderman is art, Pop-art. But a person needs more than Pop-art to be well rounded. You don't have to see film as art, MTV obviously doesn't, but to come on a message board devoted to film and start up about film as being "only entertainment", etc. is a little surprising. I guess you're mostly here for the Bargain Forum Most of us are pretty passionate about film (and art in general) around here.
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Who knew that a thread with such an innocuous title would contain a huge flame war? Keep it up, fellas! This is more entertaining than that awards show could EVER be!
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Groucho you're such an agitator. Instead of egging us on, why don't you take a side and fight you wimp
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You should be glad. best male performance: vin diesel, tobey maguire, eminem? best movie: 8mile, spiderman, barbershop? mtv and its award shows are f*<kin jokes.
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I think making art can make you a better person. But I don't think viewing or listening to art can. Just my personal opinion though.

And I do somewhat think that films aren't art, simpy because of the economics involved. It takes a lot of money to make a good film in most cases, and your not going to get that money unless you make something that appeals to a lot of people, which limits your artistic freedom. Obviously there are execeptions as there's a lot of great films made with tiny budgets. But it is tough to get the "whole package" (good cinematography, editing, writing, score, acting etc.) without a sizable budget in most cases.
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Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
I think making art can make you a better person. But I don't think viewing or listening to art can. Just my personal opinion though.

And I do somewhat think that films aren't art, simpy because of the economics involved. It takes a lot of money to make a good film in most cases, and your not going to get that money unless you make something that appeals to a lot of people, which limits your artistic freedom. Obviously there are execeptions as there's a lot of great films made with tiny budgets. But it is tough to get the "whole package" (good cinematography, editing, writing, score, acting etc.) without a sizable budget in most cases.
I can only say to this that I disagree 100%. I guess that's what I get for talking about art in an MTV movie awards thread.
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Originally posted by Iron Chef
I remember when the MTV movie awards were fun. Now they're trying to be just another movie awards show.

It was better when they didn't take themselves so seriously.
MTV and serious shouldn't be in the same sentence. Seriously though, how do you think they "take themselves so seriously"? Do you really think they would have a category for "Best Villain" if they did?

If you were being sarcastic, forgive me

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...Y Tu Mama Tambien. If you're between 15-18 and haven't seen this film you are a retard, period.
I'm 20 and haven't seen it. Guess that makes me a retard, eh?
Old 04-17-03, 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by fumanstan
I can't believe the people posting that are actually angry about some of the nominations. Spider-Man made 400 million dollars, its obvious that quite a few people liked it, and it certainly isn't going to be honered by the Acadamy. I'm glad MTV will.
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Originally posted by the aftermath
I'm 20 and haven't seen it. Guess that makes me a retard, eh?
Well since you're not between 15 and 18, I guess not. You should check it out, it's really good, but someone in high school should seek it out ASAP.
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Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
I think making art can make you a better person. But I don't think viewing or listening to art can. Just my personal opinion though.

And I do somewhat think that films aren't art, simpy because of the economics involved. It takes a lot of money to make a good film in most cases, and your not going to get that money unless you make something that appeals to a lot of people, which limits your artistic freedom. Obviously there are execeptions as there's a lot of great films made with tiny budgets. But it is tough to get the "whole package" (good cinematography, editing, writing, score, acting etc.) without a sizable budget in most cases.
I think some films can be art and in fact, there are many films that are art. A lot of films are purely entertainment as well so I don't think films are this or that. They're both.
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Well, look on the bright side. Kieran Culkin finally got nominated for SOMETHING.
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I agree films can be art, which is why I said "I somewhat think films aren't art."

The limitation is that to make art IMO you have to have complete artistic freedom.

Given the cost of making a movie it's tougher to do, than mediums like painting obviously. Really only small indy films, and well established directors with the power to do whatever they want, have total freedom. Problem is most Indy films turn out lacking IMO, as they don't have the budget to hire the all around expertise (director of photography, a composer, experienced actors, etc.) to take full advantage of the medium, while most big shot directors are indoctrinated in hollywood and care more about the bottom line IMO.

So it's not that I don't think films can't be art, or that many films aren't works of art. I just think it's a difficult medium to make art in because of the expensive technologicaly and expertise demands to do it right, and the economic driven nature of the movie industry.
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Josh- I don't want to belabor the point, but I just thought Iíd point out that when Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel he didnít have complete artistic freedom and he was commissioned by the wealthiest patrons in the world: The Catholic Church. Yet it IS art (AND looking at it will make you a better person )
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I can agree with a lot of what people are saying, but just the same this is getting my vote for best fight!



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It's the only way some of these people will ever get an award...

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