Undeserved Oscars
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Originally posted by ReginaldTrent
I guess she lacked dignity and honor because she had the nerve to emote about how important winning that Oscar meant. Give me a break. Was she suppose to accept the award as if it were a everyday occurrence?
I found it refreshing to see genuine emotion displayed in proportion to the significance of the moment. You two are cavalierly overlooking the historical significance of Halle's win. Regarding the fact that NO Black actress has ever won that Oscar in the history of the academy awards.
I guess she lacked dignity and honor because she had the nerve to emote about how important winning that Oscar meant. Give me a break. Was she suppose to accept the award as if it were a everyday occurrence?
I found it refreshing to see genuine emotion displayed in proportion to the significance of the moment. You two are cavalierly overlooking the historical significance of Halle's win. Regarding the fact that NO Black actress has ever won that Oscar in the history of the academy awards.
(Berry's performance upon accepting her statuette could have used some work.)
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1) Ordinary People winning an Oscar over Raging Bull in 1980, not to mention that the Empire Stikes Back was not even nominated. 2) Titanic for everything it won. I was not even close to being as good as the other films that year. 3) Not that A Beautiful Mind was not a good movie, but LOTR:FOTR deserved to win best picture last year. 4) Whatever wins over The Two Towers this year. Not to mention the fact that TTT was not even nominated for Makeup, costumes, or cinematography. The LOTR movies were the most monumental elaborate undertaking in the history of film and it seems as though the academy does not want to recognize this. 4) Raiders of the Lost Ark should have won in 1981. 5) How about Dances with Wolves over Goodfellas? Sheesh.
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4) Raiders of the Lost Ark should have won in 1981.
4) Raiders of the Lost Ark should have won in 1981.
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1) Ordinary People winning an Oscar over Raging Bull in 1980
1) Ordinary People winning an Oscar over Raging Bull in 1980
Granted, Hutton's performance was good, but his good was sandwiched between two big slices of bad. I honestly tried to like this movie, but no go.
My personal opinion (which means absolutely nothing, mind you) is that the film was honored in a big tremendous way because Robert Redford stepped up to direct. Winning Picture, Director, and Supporting Actor (Hutton). Nominated for Actor (Hirsch) and Actress (Moore). Too, too much.
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Originally posted by Buttmunker
Lest you, or anyone else, forget - Halle Berry is an ACTRESS! Her emotional acceptance speech was not anything more than a performance. You think these people really get teary-eyed? For real? No, it's an act. When Gwyneth Paltrow cried during the Globes and the Oscars - an ACT. They're paid to cry on cue. And they're damn good at it, but don't think for a second that they're not acting when they accept awards.
(Berry's performance upon accepting her statuette could have used some work.)
Lest you, or anyone else, forget - Halle Berry is an ACTRESS! Her emotional acceptance speech was not anything more than a performance. You think these people really get teary-eyed? For real? No, it's an act. When Gwyneth Paltrow cried during the Globes and the Oscars - an ACT. They're paid to cry on cue. And they're damn good at it, but don't think for a second that they're not acting when they accept awards.
(Berry's performance upon accepting her statuette could have used some work.)
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At the Truckdrivers Annual Beer Barrel Ceremony, the recipient for the Best Truck Driver Award will not weep and thank his grand-pappy and God for getting him past that last mile while stoned on Reds.
At the Truckdrivers Annual Beer Barrel Ceremony, the recipient for the Best Truck Driver Award will not weep and thank his grand-pappy and God for getting him past that last mile while stoned on Reds.
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Originally posted by ReginaldTrent
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I think a lot of people were annoyed with Halle because she played the race card. Then after that she wouldn't shut up about it.
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I wish it was any other black actress but Halle Berry that won the first-ever Best Actress Oscar. Say, Diana Ross (Lady Sings the Blues), Dianne Carroll (Nadine or Claudine, I forgot the name at the moment) or Whoopi Goldberg (The Color Purple) - I believe they would have brought a bit of dignity to the honor upon acceptance.
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I guess she lacked dignity and honor because she had the nerve to emote about how important winning that Oscar meant. Give me a break. Was she suppose to accept the award as if it were a everyday occurrence?
I found it refreshing to see genuine emotion displayed in proportion to the significance of the moment. You two are cavalierly overlooking the historical significance of Halle's win. Regarding the fact that NO Black actress has ever won that Oscar in the history of the academy awards.
Oh yes regarding "playing the Race Card" see comments previously stated.
paradicelost quote:
I think a lot of people were annoyed with Halle because she played the race card. Then after that she wouldn't shut up about it.
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Buttmunker quote:
I wish it was any other black actress but Halle Berry that won the first-ever Best Actress Oscar. Say, Diana Ross (Lady Sings the Blues), Dianne Carroll (Nadine or Claudine, I forgot the name at the moment) or Whoopi Goldberg (The Color Purple) - I believe they would have brought a bit of dignity to the honor upon acceptance.
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I guess she lacked dignity and honor because she had the nerve to emote about how important winning that Oscar meant. Give me a break. Was she suppose to accept the award as if it were a everyday occurrence?
I found it refreshing to see genuine emotion displayed in proportion to the significance of the moment. You two are cavalierly overlooking the historical significance of Halle's win. Regarding the fact that NO Black actress has ever won that Oscar in the history of the academy awards.
Oh yes regarding "playing the Race Card" see comments previously stated.
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I think a lot of people were annoyed with Halle because she played the race card. Then after that she wouldn't shut up about it.
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Next time i will put my answer in quotations so i don't get anymore idiotic accusations thrown in my face.
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You must be joking? Because most reasonable people would probably say your statement in your original post was idiotic. Not that you are, but the statement itself.
I think a lot of people were annoyed with Halle because she played the race card. Then after that she wouldn't shut up about it.
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Next time i will put my answer in quotations so i don't get anymore idiotic accusations thrown in my face.
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You must be joking? Because most reasonable people would probably say your statement in your original post was idiotic. Not that you are, but the statement itself.
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Originally posted by Buttmunker
I always viewed "Ordinary People" as a Made-For-TV movie - heck, it starred Judd Hirsch ("Taxi") and Mary Tyler Moore, and an unknown named Timothy Hutton.
Granted, Hutton's performance was good, but his good was sandwiched between two big slices of bad. I honestly tried to like this movie, but no go.
My personal opinion (which means absolutely nothing, mind you) is that the film was honored in a big tremendous way because Robert Redford stepped up to direct. Winning Picture, Director, and Supporting Actor (Hutton). Nominated for Actor (Hirsch) and Actress (Moore). Too, too much.
I always viewed "Ordinary People" as a Made-For-TV movie - heck, it starred Judd Hirsch ("Taxi") and Mary Tyler Moore, and an unknown named Timothy Hutton.
Granted, Hutton's performance was good, but his good was sandwiched between two big slices of bad. I honestly tried to like this movie, but no go.
My personal opinion (which means absolutely nothing, mind you) is that the film was honored in a big tremendous way because Robert Redford stepped up to direct. Winning Picture, Director, and Supporting Actor (Hutton). Nominated for Actor (Hirsch) and Actress (Moore). Too, too much.
There is so much going on, but it is under the surface. Many would find this film "boring", but the actors bring so much to their roles.
Mary Tyler Moore is excellent. She keeps herself cold and bitter, but you find that underneath she is a child that needs to be taken care of.
Donald Sutherland is also great. I would definitely hate to be him. He loves his son so much, but his wife overpowers him to the point of no return. He wants to help this depressed son of his, but his wife questions his every move.
Judd Hirsch is pretty much filler, but does a great job of his scenes with Hutton. The final scene with the two of them is heartbreaking.
Timothy Hutton, what the hell happened with your career. You were so great in this film. Hutton's performance was excellent, because he has so much going on. You tend to wonder why he hasn't already tried to commit suicide ten minutes after he did it the first time.
The scene between the mother, father, and son with the Christmas Tree is so heartbreaking. You find out that the mother has no understanding of feelings. Other and her own.
Damn, I have to go watch this film again.
Don't laugh at my above comments. I am no reviewer.
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Originally posted by ReginaldTrent
paradicelost quote:
I think a lot of people were annoyed with Halle because she played the race card. Then after that she wouldn't shut up about it.
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paradicelost quote:
Next time i will put my answer in quotations so i don't get anymore idiotic accusations thrown in my face.
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You must be joking? Because most reasonable people would probably say your statement in your original post was idiotic. Not that you are, but the statement itself.
paradicelost quote:
I think a lot of people were annoyed with Halle because she played the race card. Then after that she wouldn't shut up about it.
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paradicelost quote:
Next time i will put my answer in quotations so i don't get anymore idiotic accusations thrown in my face.
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You must be joking? Because most reasonable people would probably say your statement in your original post was idiotic. Not that you are, but the statement itself.
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Originally posted by ReginaldTrent
paradicelost quote:
I think a lot of people were annoyed with Halle because she played the race card. Then after that she wouldn't shut up about it.
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paradicelost quote:
Next time i will put my answer in quotations so i don't get anymore idiotic accusations thrown in my face.
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You must be joking? Because most reasonable people would probably say your statement in your original post was idiotic. Not that you are, but the statement itself.
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Again next time i will say, I think people were upset because she played the "Race Card". My point in my last post was those were not my words. That is what i got from others on this board on another post about Halle Berry. I answered a question, none of that post was my opinion. But thank you for speaking for all the reasonable people.
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You're welcome. Don't have the time or energy to address them all. However, some statements are so ridiculously over top they have to be addressed.
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Originally posted by ReginaldTrent
paradicelost quote:
I think a lot of people were annoyed with Halle because she played the race card. Then after that she wouldn't shut up about it.
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paradicelost quote:
Next time i will put my answer in quotations so i don't get anymore idiotic accusations thrown in my face.
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You must be joking? Because most reasonable people would probably say your statement in your original post was idiotic. Not that you are, but the statement itself.
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Again next time i will say, I think people were upset because she played the "Race Card". My point in my last post was those were not my words. That is what i got from others on this board on another post about Halle Berry. I answered a question, none of that post was my opinion. But thank you for speaking for all the reasonable people.
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You're welcome. Don't have the time or energy to address them all. However, some statements are so ridiculously over top they have to be addressed.
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I agree with a previous post regarding Russell Crowe and Gladiator. I think he's an extremely talented actor who deserved recognition for The Insider and A Beautiful Mind. But Gladiator? That role was Stallonian. It didn't require him to do much of anything except say a catchphrase or two, scowl, and wield a sword in horribly edited action sequences, not much else.
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The Greatest Show On Earth - over - The Quiet Man or High Noon
Around The World In 80 Days
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One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest - over - Jaws
Annie Hall -over - Star Wars
Around The World In 80 Days
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Annie Hall -over - Star Wars
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Originally posted by ReginaldTrent
paradicelost quote:
I think a lot of people were annoyed with Halle because she played the race card. Then after that she wouldn't shut up about it.
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Buttmunker quote:
I wish it was any other black actress but Halle Berry that won the first-ever Best Actress Oscar. Say, Diana Ross (Lady Sings the Blues), Dianne Carroll (Nadine or Claudine, I forgot the name at the moment) or Whoopi Goldberg (The Color Purple) - I believe they would have brought a bit of dignity to the honor upon acceptance.
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I guess she lacked dignity and honor because she had the nerve to emote about how important winning that Oscar meant. Give me a break. Was she suppose to accept the award as if it were a everyday occurrence?
I found it refreshing to see genuine emotion displayed in proportion to the significance of the moment. You two are cavalierly overlooking the historical significance of Halle's win. Regarding the fact that NO Black actress has ever won that Oscar in the history of the academy awards.
Oh yes regarding "playing the Race Card" see comments previously stated.
paradicelost quote:
I think a lot of people were annoyed with Halle because she played the race card. Then after that she wouldn't shut up about it.
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Buttmunker quote:
I wish it was any other black actress but Halle Berry that won the first-ever Best Actress Oscar. Say, Diana Ross (Lady Sings the Blues), Dianne Carroll (Nadine or Claudine, I forgot the name at the moment) or Whoopi Goldberg (The Color Purple) - I believe they would have brought a bit of dignity to the honor upon acceptance.
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I guess she lacked dignity and honor because she had the nerve to emote about how important winning that Oscar meant. Give me a break. Was she suppose to accept the award as if it were a everyday occurrence?
I found it refreshing to see genuine emotion displayed in proportion to the significance of the moment. You two are cavalierly overlooking the historical significance of Halle's win. Regarding the fact that NO Black actress has ever won that Oscar in the history of the academy awards.
Oh yes regarding "playing the Race Card" see comments previously stated.
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It's like Barry Sanders(and many others) have said about endzone celebrations upon scoring a touchdown, "Act like you've been there before and you'll be there again."
It's like Barry Sanders(and many others) have said about endzone celebrations upon scoring a touchdown, "Act like you've been there before and you'll be there again."
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2003 - I'm still burnt and pissed that "Road to Perdition" only garnered a nod for Newman (who's in it for about 15 minutes). They should just rename this the December awards, since they all suffer from short-term memory loss. I just rewatched this movie on DVD, and it's just nearly perfect.
2002 - "Memento" one of the best films in recent years, only nominated for it's script, when it had layered performances, clever editing, and a great leading actor performance. Truly sad.
2001 - after watching Julia Robert's dumb-ass acceptance speech, I definitely feel justified in saying that Laura Linney and Ellen Burnstyn both put in better work than she did. Not to mention her self-serving ass-polishing of Denzel's "fixed" win in 2002. Blah!
1999 - possibly the grossest year ever! "Shakespeare in Love" over "Saving Private Ryan" chapped my ass! Weinstein bribary at it's best. Unfortunately, it didn't stop there. WE had to endure Roberto Benigni winning and mugging for "Life is Beautiful". Hanks was understated in "SPR", which seemed to start a trend for him as an actor no longer having to prove himself in every film. We also had one of my faves from that year, "American History X". Edward Norton was excellent (as was the other Edward, Mr. Furlong) in this film. "Out of Sight" is still my favorite Soderburgh film and it got no love (excpet for a script nod) and that's a shame.
1996 - Either "Fargo" or "Jerry Macguire" should have buried the overhyped dreck that is "The English Patient". My wife likes to remind me of the Episode of Seinfeld whenever we get stuck in a bad movie.
1981 - This is the last one, because I have a life to get back to, and I could do this all night....."Raging Bull" should have swept, end of story. Nothing else nominated is even in the same ballpark with this film. Period.
2002 - "Memento" one of the best films in recent years, only nominated for it's script, when it had layered performances, clever editing, and a great leading actor performance. Truly sad.
2001 - after watching Julia Robert's dumb-ass acceptance speech, I definitely feel justified in saying that Laura Linney and Ellen Burnstyn both put in better work than she did. Not to mention her self-serving ass-polishing of Denzel's "fixed" win in 2002. Blah!
1999 - possibly the grossest year ever! "Shakespeare in Love" over "Saving Private Ryan" chapped my ass! Weinstein bribary at it's best. Unfortunately, it didn't stop there. WE had to endure Roberto Benigni winning and mugging for "Life is Beautiful". Hanks was understated in "SPR", which seemed to start a trend for him as an actor no longer having to prove himself in every film. We also had one of my faves from that year, "American History X". Edward Norton was excellent (as was the other Edward, Mr. Furlong) in this film. "Out of Sight" is still my favorite Soderburgh film and it got no love (excpet for a script nod) and that's a shame.
1996 - Either "Fargo" or "Jerry Macguire" should have buried the overhyped dreck that is "The English Patient". My wife likes to remind me of the Episode of Seinfeld whenever we get stuck in a bad movie.
1981 - This is the last one, because I have a life to get back to, and I could do this all night....."Raging Bull" should have swept, end of story. Nothing else nominated is even in the same ballpark with this film. Period.
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I thought both Braveheart and Beautiful Mind were both mediocre and didnt deserve Best Picture but I try not to get upset anymore.
The Oscars are not who deserves to win, its the Popularity contest of the year.
A few years ago, Ellen Burnstyn deserved to win for Requiem for a Dream and she didnt.Julia did an ok job but shes a Movie Star and Ellen Burnstyn are top notch actresses.
I also thought the year Cate Blanchette was robbed the year she was up for Elizabeth and Gweneth won.
Ughhh.
For the record, I Loved Ordinary People. It was one of the first movies growing up that moved me and affected me.
The Oscars are not who deserves to win, its the Popularity contest of the year.
A few years ago, Ellen Burnstyn deserved to win for Requiem for a Dream and she didnt.Julia did an ok job but shes a Movie Star and Ellen Burnstyn are top notch actresses.
I also thought the year Cate Blanchette was robbed the year she was up for Elizabeth and Gweneth won.
Ughhh.
For the record, I Loved Ordinary People. It was one of the first movies growing up that moved me and affected me.
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In regards to Annie Hall winning over Star Wars--I think the reason why Annie Hall won Best Picture was the fact this was one of Woody Allen's finest movies he's made up to that point--I still think this is by far Allen's best work. AMPAS voters wanted a Woody Allen movie that was truly Oscar-worthy, and Annie Hall fit the bill perfectly. I believe it's one of the few times that a comedic movie won Best Picture Oscar, too.
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Denzel Washington for Best Actor (really upsets me, because I have notions that the Academy gave this to him for all the wrong reasons and I ain't talkin' about for his past work.)
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Hummmm.....very interesting, because Denzel has been shafted twice IMO. First for Malcolm X and second for The Hurricane. There is absolutely no way Kevin Spacey's performance in American Beauty was better than Denzel's in The Hurricane. I believe Kevon Spacey's best acting was acting like he deserved to win the Oscar over Denzel during his acceptance speech.
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Denzel Washington for Best Actor (really upsets me, because I have notions that the Academy gave this to him for all the wrong reasons and I ain't talkin' about for his past work.)
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Hummmm.....very interesting, because Denzel has been shafted twice IMO. First for Malcolm X and second for The Hurricane. There is absolutely no way Kevin Spacey's performance in American Beauty was better than Denzel's in The Hurricane. I believe Kevon Spacey's best acting was acting like he deserved to win the Oscar over Denzel during his acceptance speech.
Also, Russell Crowe was completely robbed big time for his performance in The Insider.
Denzel didn't deserve the Oscar for Training Day, and Crowe didn't deserve his award for Gladiator. They both got their "make-up" Oscars. Totally lame.
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I'm surprised that nobody mentioned this but Martin Landau winning for Ed Wood over Samuel L Jackson in Pulp Fiction
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I don't know. I think Martin Landau nailed the role as Bela. Sam Jackson was great, but so was Martin.
That year (1994) I thought for sure that Gary Sinise would win for his supporting role in "Forrest Gump." In hindsight, I'm glad he didn't.
That year (1994) I thought for sure that Gary Sinise would win for his supporting role in "Forrest Gump." In hindsight, I'm glad he didn't.



