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Rypro 525 11-18-02 03:49 PM

why does everybody here hate titanic?
 
i watched the first part last night (sorry only have mar vhs), this is indeed a great movie, better than i remeber. the cinimetography is amazing and whats also good is that the story unlike many other disaster type films where you know what happens over all is that it isnt borring. also the cgi looks very real and it looks like most of the movie was indeed sets and beautiful costumes. plus the performaces are top notch, yes even leo.

Goat3001 11-18-02 03:51 PM

I thought it was decent at best. Not deserving of so many Oscars IMO. I'm not going to complain about the money it made because well even though I didn't like it, its quite obvious a lot of people did.

Mr. Cornell 11-18-02 03:52 PM

"...the inertia of my life and the people in it..."

"You jump, I jump."

:yack: :yack: :yack:

Rypro 525 11-18-02 03:54 PM

i think it did deserve most if not all of the oscars as the majority of them were for special effects and sound. although i cant stand that celine dion song.

calhoun07 11-18-02 04:01 PM

The sets, the cinematography, the realism of the period and recreation of the Titanic were awesome, as were the special effects. However, Leonardo DiCaprio's acting in it was horrendous, and I hated the love story as a whole. I didn't even find it believeable that they were so "in love." If the got back to land, do you think he would have still been into Rose? Hardly.

mookiemeister 11-18-02 04:10 PM

I really enjoyed Titanic. I don't know why some people seem to hate it.

Groucho 11-18-02 04:13 PM

I thought the film was great, until I saw that it was making big money and getting critical acclaim. Since it is very important to me to appear "above the masses" on internet message boards, I learned to hate it instead.

wendersfan 11-18-02 04:14 PM

The story is formulaic, the dialogue is cheesy, and the acting is truly awful. All the set design and cinematography in the world won't save a film that is so deficient in the basic narrative elements. Also, it's way, way, way too long.

Amadeus 11-18-02 04:17 PM


Originally posted by mookiemeister
I really enjoyed Titanic. I don't know why some people seem to hate it.
Same Here :up: I especially love that Kate Winslet nude scene -wink- Classic!

Kal-El 11-18-02 04:20 PM

Not me. I love that movie. And I'm still waiting on Cameron to come out with an SE DVD for it.

Rypro 525 11-18-02 04:22 PM

how can the acting be bad if 2 got nominated for oscars.

wendersfan 11-18-02 04:34 PM


Originally posted by Rypro 525
how can the acting be bad if 2 got nominated for oscars.
My assumption is that you're serious in asking this question. My initial response is, you can't be serious, can you?

Academy Awards and nominations have no basis in film quality. Awards and nominations are regularly handed out primarily to films that make the Hollywood establishment feel good about itself. This tendency has gotten worse in recent years (decades) but it has always been this way.

Orson Welles never won an Oscar for direction. Alfred Hitchcock never won an Oscar for direction. Martin Scorsese has never won an Oscar for direction. Both Kevin Costner and Ron Howard have won Oscars for direction.

I know we're talking about acting, but I'm not that interested in acting and also I'm more familiar with the best direction awards, which is why I used them to argue my point.

caiman 11-18-02 04:43 PM


Originally posted by Groucho
I thought the film was great, until I saw that it was making big money and getting critical acclaim. Since it is very important to me to appear "above the masses" on internet message boards, I learned to hate it instead.
Amen! Any self-respecting film lover should hate all movies that make over $1 million at the box office, aren’t subtitled, or don’t contain at least three apostrophes in the title.

(BTW, Groucho, you are the most levelheaded user on this board.)

Rypro 525 11-18-02 04:44 PM

i honestly did not know that. i thought that an oscar nod ment that what ever was bing nominated was top notch. so according to your obsumption, the accademy is a bunch of kiss asses.

karnblack 11-18-02 04:48 PM

I don't hate Titanic. I don't love it either. I enjoyed the special effects and how visceral the sinking was. The love story was so cheesey it almost made me puke though.

L.A. Confidential should have won Best Picture that year IMHO.

joeydaninja 11-18-02 04:51 PM


Originally posted by caiman
Amen! Any self-respecting film lover should hate all movies that make over $1 million at the box office, aren’t subtitled, or don’t contain at least three apostrophes in the title.
:lol:

I actually liked Titanic. But I never saw it again, coz its a long movie.

I like the way it steamrolled into a cultural phenomenon, overwhelming all box office records. That was a joy to watch. The Oscars had no choice but to vote for it.

The only thing that ruined it, was James Cameron's silly acceptance speech, that was badly delivered. oh well, he's great nonetheless.


Originally posted by wendersfan
Academy Awards and nominations have no basis in film quality. Awards and nominations are regularly handed out primarily to films that make the Hollywood establishment feel good about itself. This tendency has gotten worse in recent years (decades) but it has always been this way.

good point. and it has gotten worse in the recent years. but sometimes they do choose great movies.

hope eminem goes to the Oscars this year :lol:

davidlynchfan 11-18-02 04:56 PM

With all the Money this film rake-in---they could've actually raised
the Real Titanic Up!

Lastblade 11-18-02 04:58 PM

I enjoyed it.... It was long but didn't feel long, I really enjoy the movie when the ship starting to go down (oops forgot to blacken the text for spoiler) and everyone just falls off the boat. Way cool :)

joeydaninja 11-18-02 05:07 PM


Originally posted by davidlynchfan
With all the Money this film rake-in---they could've actually raised
the Real Titanic Up!

i'm a bit off-topic here, but what really bothered me was Armageddon. with the amount of money they spent on the movie, they could have used that money to up the asteroid monitoring systems of the Earth to a level that we could see every object coming towards our planet. At the moment they only have a budget of around 5 million dollars a year.

Though on the other hand, if there was an asteroid heading towards the earth, could really do anything about it? Bruce Willis and his team of leathernecks not included.

And besides no asteroid is coming towards the earth anyway. it's all media and Hollywood hype, isn't it?

now the real question is, why does everybody hate Michael Bay so much :lol:

C.H.U.D. 11-18-02 05:07 PM


Originally posted by Groucho
I thought the film was great, until I saw that it was making big money and getting critical acclaim. Since it is very important to me to appear "above the masses" on internet message boards, I learned to hate it instead.
Haha, that's funny cuz it's true.

If Titanic had bombed and faded away with little attention, people wouldn't be nearly as hard on it. But since it was a monster hit, financially and critically, the "cyber el33te movie snobs" tear it apart.

How predictable.

DeputyDave 11-18-02 05:24 PM


Originally posted by joeydaninja

hope eminem goes to the Oscars this year :lol:

Yeah, and he can sit next to Britney Spears.

randy1320 11-18-02 05:26 PM

It wasn't terrible, but it certainly did not deserve the Oscar, which should have gone to LA Confidential or even As Good as it Gets. The best thing about the movie for me was when Kate Winslet got naked. :D

wendersfan 11-18-02 05:27 PM


Originally posted by C.H.U.D.

If Titanic had bombed and faded away with little attention, people wouldn't be nearly as hard on it. But since it was a monster hit, financially and critically, the "cyber el33te movie snobs" tear it apart.

If Titanic had "bombed" then my father-in-law would never had given the video to my wife as a gift, we would never have watched it, and I would never have had the opportunity to dislike it. BTW, my wife, who is in no way a film snob, also hated Titanic, so, while it's convenient to label anyone who dislikes popular movies as a "film snob", it's at best inaccurate, and at worst, insulting.

Rypro 525 11-18-02 05:27 PM

ill tell you what i think about part 2 tomorrow as i have not seen this movie in at least a year or so.

wendersfan 11-18-02 05:28 PM


Originally posted by k-qwick
Same Here :up: I especially love that Kate Winslet nude scene -wink- Classic!
Then by this criterion, Jude, in which Kate does a full-frontal, might possibly be the best movie ever made?

randy1320 11-18-02 05:30 PM


Originally posted by joeydaninja
now the real question is, why does everybody hate Michael Bay so much :lol:
Because he makes stuff like Armageddon.

LBPound 11-18-02 05:33 PM


Originally posted by Rypro 525
ill tell you what i think about part 2 tomorrow as i have not seen this movie in at least a year or so.
They made a sequel?! ;)

Rypro 525 11-18-02 05:40 PM

i got the full frame vhs tape version. i have seen it in widecreen but this is when cinemax decided to put it in widescreen for one night only. ill wait until the se comes out.

Goat3001 11-18-02 05:42 PM

Part II is more action, its all the ship going down.

Pants 11-18-02 06:14 PM

I love Titanic. I also like A Night To Remember. I don't know which is better.

JaxComet 11-18-02 06:17 PM


Originally posted by Groucho
I thought the film was great, until I saw that it was making big money and getting critical acclaim. Since it is very important to me to appear "above the masses" on internet message boards, I learned to hate it instead.

rotfl rotfl

Get Me Coffee 11-18-02 08:50 PM

billy madison> You ain't cool unless you hate titanic <billy madison>

RevLiver 11-18-02 09:45 PM

I'm not ashamed to admit I like Titanic. And I also admit that the dialogue can be horrendous at times. I had more of a problem with Billy Zane's sneering overacting than anything Leo did.

I'm also okay with it having won Best Picture. While I enjoyed L.A. Confidential very much,
Spoiler:
the ending with Russell Crowe's character surviving seemed like a total Hollywood copout to me.
This took me out of the film's world and reminded me I was watching a film, whereas with Titanic, the attention to detail left me immersed in the world of the film.

Geofferson 11-18-02 10:27 PM

For the record -- I loved Titanic. I thought it was an elegant example of storytelling.

Rogue588 11-18-02 10:37 PM

...not enough nude Kate Winslet...?

Jepthah 11-18-02 10:42 PM

A period film with absolutely zero credibility, akin to Road to Perdition.

Cameron has lost all ability to direct actors. The script was atrocious.

Also the decision to frame the story with the modern bookends was a fundamental mistake because it excuses everything that happens: "the (miraculously) sweet old lady survived."

El-Kabong 11-18-02 10:45 PM

I didn't hate it, but I'm annoyed at the lost opportunity. Cameron gave us 2+ hours of sappy, schmaltzy love story - fictional love story - when there was so much more human drama to be told.

The Californian, only 20 miles away from Titanic while she sank. The guy who (allegedly) dressed like a woman to secure a seat on the lifeboat. The coal fire that was raging below decks. Sir Cosmo Duff Gordon, who used his wealth to put a 60+ capacity lifeboat to sea with only 5 passengers and 7 crew aboard.

Captain Smith, the musicians, the White Star PR guy - there are 2,500 stores a hundred times more interesting that what Cameron put together. Instead we get a warmed over Romeo and Juliet love story.

Given all that, I'll still probably get the SE if it ever comes out. The story may be sub-standard, but the set and art direction is dead on. In regards to the historical aspect, Jim kicked some royal bootie. In other matters, however, the movie was lacking.

tasha99 11-18-02 11:41 PM

My biggest problem was how much I disliked Rose. Sure, I've seen films with protagonists that I didn't like and I still enjoyed the film, but Titanic didn't work for me without caring about the characters more.

Why did I hate Rose? Let me count the ways . . .

Spoiler:


1. It was in the early 1900's and Rose wanted to marry for love, despite the fact that her family needed her to marry for money. Funny how 100 years later, it would be selfish to marry for money when back then, it was selfish not to.

2. Rose acted like an ass with a man outside of her social class while engaged. Cal was a jerk, but he wasn't unprovoked. One of the ways we were shown that Cal was a jerk was that he thought Picasso had no talent. :rolleyes: God, the sin of having bad artistic judgement . . .

3. Rose won't get in the damn boat despite the fact that everyone would rest easier if she did. What purpose did jumping with Jack serve? Well, she got to float on the door--maybe if she'd been in the boat, Jack would have been out of the water more and survived.

4. Rose gloated a bit when she described Cal's suicide. Cal commited suicide because he made bad investments and was broke. Rose had Cal's necklace. Am I the only one who thought, you fricking thief, maybe if he had the necklace he could have sold it to cover some of his losses and he'd have lived? It was a necklace of great monetary and historical value, but somehow she thought she could keep it. I'm not saying I liked Cal, but I couldn't see her attitude about his death.

5. But no! She didn't want the necklace, so she dropped it to the bottom of the sea. Never mind its historical value. Never mind that there was a man on that boat who had committed his career to finding it. It meant nothing to her, so she threw it away.

Other than that, I liked her a whole lot.

RoQuEr 11-18-02 11:46 PM

Because the movie was longer than it actually took for the ship to sink.......

greatjedi 11-19-02 12:04 AM

I love Titanic. I saw it on opening night, and it was the only time I left the theater thinking "that's one of the greatest films I've ever seen." While I no longer hold it in such high regards anymore, I still think it's among the best films. Unfortunately it loses something when shown on the small screen. It's a huge film and must be seen in the theater to fully appreciate its scale IMO.
Now give me a good SE!


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