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Old 12-12-02 | 07:48 PM
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Re: Saw Star Trek Nemesis Last Night...

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What, you were going to see Maid in Manhattan or Drumline???
You forgot The Hot Chick
Old 12-12-02 | 07:55 PM
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Thanks for the info. How would you compare it to the other TNG movies?
Old 12-12-02 | 08:15 PM
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cool - i never watch star trek on tv but ive seen all the recent movies. ill probably check this out too.
Old 12-12-02 | 10:52 PM
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I watched it with a bunch of die-hard trekkies who said "First Contact" was still their favorite. I thought it was just as good if not better.
Old 12-12-02 | 10:54 PM
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How much is Janeway in it? I can't stand that woman's voice.
Old 12-12-02 | 11:14 PM
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How much is Janeway in it? I can't stand that woman's voice.
She's barely in it. Just a quick little scene.
Old 12-12-02 | 11:14 PM
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I'm there tomorrow night.
Old 12-12-02 | 11:16 PM
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That's good. Then why did they put her in at all then I wonder.
Old 12-12-02 | 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by BizRodian
That's good. Then why did they put her in at all then I wonder.
I guess statistically that there must be some Voyager fans somewhere out there.

I, on the other hand, would've preferred a DS9 cameo, but whatever.

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Old 12-13-02 | 01:45 AM
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Are there parts where they’re in the vacuum of space? I’m a smoker and it’s hard enough as it is to breathe. (Plus I have a lot of Star Trek “issues”.)
Old 12-13-02 | 06:48 AM
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Wow ... Ebert was not kind ... interesting.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/ebert...artrek13f.html
Old 12-13-02 | 09:13 AM
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Yeah, I often disagree with Ebert, but I love the way he says what he says. He's pretty funny. Here's his review for those who are too lazy to click on the link

I'm sitting there during "Star Trek: Nemesis," the 10th "Star Trek" movie, and I'm smiling like a good sport and trying to get with the dialogue about the isotronic Ruritronic signature from planet Kolarus III, or whatever the hell they were saying, maybe it was "positronic," and gradually it occurs to me that "Star Trek" is over for me. I've been looking at these stories for half a halftime, and, let's face it, they're out of gas.

There might have been a time when the command deck of Starship Enterprise looked exciting and futuristic, but these days it looks like a communications center for security guards. Starships rocket at light speeds halfway across the universe, but when they get into battles the effect is roughly the same as on board a World War II bomber. Fearsome death rays strike the Enterprise, and what happens? Sparks fly out from the ceiling and the crew gets bounced around in their seats like passengers on the No. 36 bus. This far in the future they wouldn't have sparks because they wouldn't have electricity, because in a world where you can beam matter--beam it, mind you--from here to there, power obviously no longer lives in the wall and travels through wires.

I've also had it with the force shield that protects the Enterprise. The power on this thing is always going down. In movie after movie after movie I have to sit through sequences during which the captain is tersely informed that the front shield is down to 60 percent, or the back shield is down to 10 percent, or the side shield is leaking energy, and the captain tersely orders that power be shifted from the back to the sides or all put in the front, or whatever, and I'm thinking, life is too short to sit through 10 movies in which the power is shifted around on these shields. The shields have been losing power for decades now, and here it is the Second Generation of Star Trek, and they still haven't fixed them. Maybe they should get new batteries.

I tried to focus on the actors. Patrick Stewart, as Capt. Picard, is a wonderful actor. I know because I have seen him elsewhere. It is always said of Stewart that his strength as an actor is his ability to deliver bad dialogue with utter conviction. I say it is time to stop encouraging him. Here's an idea: Instead of giving him bad dialogue, why not give him good dialogue, and see what he can do with that? Here is a man who has played Shakespeare.

The plot of "Star Trek: Nemesis" involves a couple of strands, one involving a clone of Data (Brent Spiner), which somehow seems redundant, and another involving what seems to be a peace feeler from the Romulan empire. In the course of the movie the Romulan Senate is wiped out by a deadly blue powder and the sister planet of Remus stages an uprising, or something, against being made to work as slaves in the mines. Surely slavery is not an efficient economic system in a world of hyperdrives, but never mind: Turns out that Picard shares something unexpected with his rival commander, although once I tell you that you can no doubt guess what it is, since the movie doesn't work you very hard.

There is a scene in the movie in which one starship rams another one. You would think this would destroy them both, and there are a lot of sparks and everybody has to hold onto their seats, but the "Star Trek" world involves physical laws which reflect only the needs of the plot. If one ship rammed another and they were both destroyed and everyone died, and the movie ended with a lot of junk floating around in space, imagine the faces of the people in the audience.

I think it is time for "Star Trek" to make a mighty leap forward another 1,000 years into the future, to a time when starships do not look like rides in a 1970s amusement arcade, when aliens do not look like humans with funny foreheads, and when wonder, astonishment and literacy are permitted back into the series. Star Trek was kind of terrific once, but now it is a copy of a copy of a copy.
Old 12-13-02 | 09:25 AM
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The Washington Post review is pretty damn funny (and it's extremely negative)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2002Dec12.html

A friend of mine you had seen the movie as a preview, said it has some the worst dialogue and that the script is downright awful.

I still want to see it, but having read and heard viscious reviews sfrom the Post and a friend, I am not expecting this to be the best 'Trek' film.
Old 12-13-02 | 10:11 AM
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Looks like it's 50/50 on Rotten Tomatoes... so I don't know if I want to see it. Definitely has been downgraded to matinee standards.

Am I the only one that wants to see Drumline???
Old 12-13-02 | 10:34 AM
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Reviews aren't sounding too good. Of course, I'll go see it anyway. However, given the suckiness of Enterprise (on top of the suckiness of Voyager), if Nemesis isn't decent, I think it would be time to retire Trek (at least for the near future).
Old 12-13-02 | 10:38 AM
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Sorry. Double post. First time that happened when I went to edit it.

Last edited by Eric F; 12-13-02 at 10:43 AM.
Old 12-13-02 | 10:40 AM
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This is the first time I've ever considered not going to see a ST film in the theaters. I even went to see ST V...

Well, we all know who's to blame: Rick Berman and Paramount.

Gene Roddenberry is spinning in orbit in his urn...Uh, well he was probably doing that anyways.
Old 12-13-02 | 10:50 AM
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I liked the film. I guess when you have something invested in the film - i.e. you're a fan - what Roger Ebert says isn't going to persuade you one way or another.
Old 12-13-02 | 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by Eric F
This is the first time I've ever considered not going to see a ST film in the theaters. I even went to see ST V...

Well, we all know who's to blame: Rick Berman and Paramount.

Gene Roddenberry is spinning in orbit in his urn...Uh, well he was probably doing that anyways.
actually he already burned up. you are only up there for a set amount of time....don't ask how I know that.
Old 12-13-02 | 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by Flynn
I liked the film. I guess when you have something invested in the film - i.e. you're a fan - what Roger Ebert says isn't going to persuade you one way or another.
Doesn't that mean that if you're a "true" Star Trek fan you tend to like each new Star Trek movie even if it's bad?
Old 12-13-02 | 11:15 AM
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Old 12-13-02 | 11:39 AM
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I don't know - Joel Siegel ripped Nemesis, but some of his basis for it was shown to be unfounded as the pictures on the screen showed his comments to be untrue. Siegel said the special effects looked horrible - but as he's saying that you can SEE an effects sequence, and it looks GREAT!

I think that the critics at this point are just too snobby to admit that a NINTH sequel to the Star Trek movie franchise can be any good. Nemesis could be the greatest sci-fi movie ever and these people would trash it.

From all that I have seen and heard Nemesis is a HELL of a lot better than AOTC or TPM, but you won't hear or read any critics saying that, because to compare Nemesis to those movies would require them to admit that Nemesis is indeed superior to those movies.

I can't wait to see it myself. It really looks great, and the plot is outstanding.
Old 12-13-02 | 11:48 AM
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I think that the critics at this point are just too snobby to admit that a NINTH sequel to the Star Trek movie franchise can be any good. Nemesis could be the greatest sci-fi movie ever and these people would trash it.

Most critics liked the SEVENTH sequel. Don't see much difference btwn the 7th and 9th as far as how critics view a movie. It certainly did not make a difference with James Bond films - Goldeneye got excellent reviews when it came out and that was the 16th sequel.
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I'm not much of a Trek fan, but actually I like the Enterprise show. I'll prolly rent/ppv Nemesis when it's out on video or even wait for cable. Only Trek movie I ever liked was 2, and I still haven't had any interest in buying it or anything
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The reviews I have read have not been good and from what I have read theyhave cut a lot of the character moments out to make it more action oriented but I am still looking forward to it.Worfs part, from what I hear is cut down to comic relief and Beverly as usual has almost nothing to do. I would love to see her or Rikers parts than seeing Datas part pumped up all the time.

And to the person who doesnt like Janeways voice. Plug your ears.
Boy do I hate it when people say dumb stuff like that.


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