... and it's an interesting story!

See:

http://www.pagesix.com/seven/1109200...ix/pagesix.htm

for more.

Dazza.

Wow! I've always considered Larry Clark kinda scummy, but this really impresses me. A Hollywood celebrity is actually defending America overseas, not simply talking s***. Oh, wait, Clark isn't from the "real" Hollywood, so he must not count.

Regardless, good for Lary Clark, we need more people to be vocal about thier love for this country.

Good for him. I would've smacked around that lousy brit as well if its true he said those disgusting things.

Hopefully clark will get a distributor here and in france for the film. That's where it counts, anyway.

Oh, right... as if there isn't enough mindless flag waving going on these days.

Voices of dissent would be more refreshing... especially since the mass media has gradually deligitimized alternate viewpoints over the past year. Remember when Americans actually wondered 'why' much of the Arab world hates them? Forget mind expansion and constructive debate... let's march backwards into the future with GWB! After all, everyone else is just jealous... right? Declare WAR 'til 2004!

And, no... I don't think anyone deserves to be killed by terrorists (I doubt that Scottish guy does either), or for that matter by anyone's 'legal' system. But there are more than a few in this big ol' world who think something like 9/11 was inevitable. And as we continue to get warnings that something worse is likely to happen in days to come, let's hope someone has the nerve to start asking 'why' again.

Next time someone gives an opinion YOU disagree with... beat him to a pulp! Yeah, that's the American way all right. Larry Clark... pheh.

While I disagree with the sentiments of the distributor, I don't think beating him up really puts Clark in a good light. Where would the world be if we just used violence against those we have an issue with?

"Vocal about their love for this country" - yes, if only Clark had done that....

"McAlpine ranted that 9/11 "was the best thing that ever happened to America" and declared that innocent Israelis blown up by Palestnian suicide bombers "deserved to die."

Hmm... I'm glad to see someone from Hollywood who doesn't publicly insult their own country. And sometimes a pop in the nose is all someone will listen too. Ever seen a socer riot?

And yes more flag waving IS EXACTLY what this country needs.

Smells like a publicity stunt.

There are times when I want to punch people in the nose...but I don't, because I have self-control. I don't know, I might have punched Hamish McAlpine in the nose, too, but throwing the table on top of him was just ridiculous! Isn't there a line that needs to be drawn when kicking someone's ass? There should be and Larry Clark went too far w/ the table!

Good, you wave the flag for me and go to church for me too.

thanks Bud!

LOL , that's good.

Well, I'll wave the flag fer ya, but I haven't been to church in 28 years.

See, it is possible to be patriotic and not be a part of the extreme Christian Right.

this isn't the worst news I have ever heard. I still wish that I could have the two hours of my life back that I spent watching the movie.

Nolan

Dr. Moreau/Dr. Hibbert: Be careful, he might sniff your crotch.
Homer: Oh don't worry, I've been around Scotsmen before

You have to realize this was a Scotsman people. The only thing they understand is getting their faces kicked. That's how they debate issues. This does smell of a publicity stunt, but I'd also guess that it was an easy out for the cheap penny pinching prick McAlpine to get out of having to screen the film.

Yeah, and America stands for freedom of speech!



*cough*dual moralism*cough*

America: Freedom of speech! Also when you exercise that freedom you have the freedom to get your a$$ kicked.

If he had punched the guy in the nose for insulting his wife or mother, no one would have a problem. But god forbid he defend America...

And even if you think patriotism is wrong (as many people seem to) he was implying 3,000 + people deserved to die.

Nevertheless, Clark is basically saying that since he's an American he can't allow people to exercise their right for "un-American" free speech.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with patriotism (and naturally I don't agree with what the producer allegedly said), but Clark using "I'm an American!" as a reason for beating up a guy who said something he didn't like is just ridiculous; an obvious double standard.

Also, what kind of an image of Americans does Clark's behavior present? "He said negative things about my homeland so I kicked the s**t out him?" Personally, I don't think this is far from what Bush is doing right now with Iraq ("you're like the people that attacked us so I'll wage war on you"). It would have been infinitely more convincing had Clark refuted the guy's arguments. His anger was probably justified, but he could have controlled it and the effect may have been much greater. Besides, I'm sure that among sensible, civilized people the producer's statements would have been attacked anyway, and perhaps not with fists but with - dare I say - words?

If someone insulted your mother and you beat him up, and later used the excuse "I beat him up because I was defending my mother's good name" would you have the same reaction. This scot has a right to say what he wants and Larry Clark has a right to beat him up. That's it. Sure, there are penalties for beating people up, Larry may have to pay the fine or do some time, but that's his choice. We, as people, pick our battles and fight them. We take the consequences of those actions when we chose to fight our battles. I'm tired of this pacifist S***! Like no one here ever got in a fight! Besides this is all a publicity stunt.

I also can't enforce more strongly that this is a Scotsman we're dealing with here. Beating the s*** out of him is the only thing he understands, I doubt his feelings were hurt.

You know, there's an old saying that goes something like "your freedom ends where my nose begins."

I still think this is a publicity stunt.

Strange question, and beside the point. You shouldn't ask what my reaction would be to my beating up a guy. I also don't see a connection between Clark's justification and the one you mentioned above. Clark may have meant that he was only defending America's good name, but the way he phrased it changes the meaning to "Americans stand for restricting anti-American speech".

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This scot has a right to say what he wants and Larry Clark has a right to beat him up.

Absolutely, but that's not what I was talking about. But maybe it's all the same "pacifist s**t" to you.

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I also can't enforce more strongly that this is a Scotsman we're dealing with here. Beating the s*** out of him is the only thing he understands, I doubt his feelings were hurt.

Before making irresponsible and stereotypical generalizations like these, consider the following statement: I'm a Scotsman myself.

Yeah, so am I. Descendent of them anyways. You should know what i'm talking about. This guy is positively some hard drinkin', hard fighten', bar brawler, who likes to shoot his mouth off to make things interesting. He would rather have a story to tell about some Yank he stomped the piss out of, than a story about having a friendly evening out at the pub.

Lighten up dude, two guys have a bar brawl and you construe it as a broad statement on US patriotic zeal and foriegn policy. Larry Clarke isn't president of the United States you know. It's just two guys who had a fight


Oh and by the way, this is also a publicity stunt.

OK, I'm not a Scotsman. I lied because I wanted to see your reaction. Perhaps there's truth in what you're saying, I don't know. But I still think it's not a good idea to generalize like that.

And yeah, I agree that the whole thing is probably a publicity stunt.