|
So why cant the US just knock off terrorists again?
Not to show my naivete or anything, but WHY can't the US just go in and give an "Attitude Adjustment" to certain world leaders and terrorists instead of punishing innocent citizens who just happen to live in the f-ed up country they run?? AND how can ABC News find Osama Bin Laden, but the CIA can't???? Please feel free to explain and or flame away...
Thanks, mini, the liberal who is not a liberal on some issues... |
"we are not in the business of assasinating people" - Uncle Sam
although the U.S. has done this in the past, and according to movies still does this secretly, officially the U.S. does not do this anymore. Its hard for us to tell Israel they can't do this to Palestinians if we're doing it to other people. |
Um, yeah, but we could save so much suffering.
Why not cut the crap and just get the evil folk as opposed to spending MILLIONS of dollars, risking our citizens abroad, stationing troops where they shouldn't be and hurting people who have not committed crimes. mini, pro Isreal, anti-terrorist. |
then you start getting into who is a terrorist and who is not?
who's on our list? bin Laden, Castro, Arrafat, Tony Blair? |
Originally posted by minifigg Um, yeah, but we could save so much suffering. Why not cut the crap and just get the evil when the U.S. citiznes got kidnapped in Philipines, here is the ideal solution. Pay the money and get them out. Since the Philipine army knows the general whereabouts of teh terrorists, napalm the island and burn them out. Same in Columibia and Equador. Napalm the jungle, burn the terrorists out and burn their cocain crop. we can do this, but does that make it right. we have to be ready for a very harsh backlash from these people's supporters...will we be ready to handle that? |
Remember that scene in Patriot Games, when Jack Ryan and other CIA people are watching a counterterrorist attack on a base in Libya? That was so cool.
|
I'm surprised that more have not chimed in on this...
Whatever. Bin Laden is a terrorist. Period. Get him. mini |
Originally posted by minifigg I'm surprised that more have not chimed in on this... Whatever. Bin Laden is a terrorist. Period. Get him. mini |
Nope. But I have seen the sister of one of his victims. :(
mini |
Originally posted by minifigg I'm surprised that more have not chimed in on this... Whatever. Bin Laden is a terrorist. Period. Get him. mini |
Originally posted by minifigg Nope. But I have seen the sister of one of his victims. :( mini Spoiler:
|
I'd like to see that happen, and then the response from the so called "terrorists".
Before jumping in and calling everyone a terrorist, read up why they're doing this. You just might learn something.. |
Originally posted by nomaan I'd like to see that happen, and then the response from the so called "terrorists". Before jumping in and calling everyone a terrorist, read up why they're doing this. You just might learn something.. So reading the manifestos of Bin Laden will change my mind??? I doubt it. I have learned something by his actions. I have learned that he should be in custody. mini |
Originally posted by nomaan Before jumping in and calling everyone a terrorist, read up why they're doing this. You just might learn something.. There is no excuse for what terrorists do. They're just a bunch of crybabies who cannot think of any other way to approach a problem or issue without violence. on a side note Bin Laden can kiss my butthttp://www.ameritech.net/users/dvdtalk/mooned.gif Bite me you terrorist turd no good people murdering half wit! :johnwoo: Bin Laden Bin Laden = http://www.ameritech.net/users/dvdtalk/loser.gif |
I'm very much all for kicking ass, not caring about taking names, and letting Satan sort 'em out.
|
<i><font color=blue>If you want to make a case for such action then just try to define terrorism in a non-biased way and before long people will post here examples of where representatives of your own country have acted in a way that fits your description.</font></i>
<small> Originally posted by minifigg I'm surprised that more have not chimed in on this... Whatever. Bin Laden is a terrorist. Period. Get him. mini Reading between the lines, I have little doubt that his acolytes engage in terrorist tactics but so do many "friends" of the US and Europe. Sometimes us "good guys" train them how to go about it! Someone once said that <i>one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter</i>; wise words, IMNSHO. Don't forget that that bogeyman in Iraq was once an ally, back when Iran was the bad guy. Ever wondered how we knew about all those weapons of his? We sold them to him is why! As for seeing abhorring the results of terrorism well, of course we do. As we do the results of Agent Orange and napalm. If the US or Europe started overtly knocking-off foreign heads of state then there would be no moral high ground whatsoever: those Third World nations would have carte blanche to bring the battle to the streets and capitals of the First World on a more regular basis. |
benedict:
I have a friend who lost a brother and had her father critically injured in a terrorist act orchestrated by Bin Laden BY HIS OWN ADMISSION . He and his fellow murderous followers celebrated their noteriety over this cowardly act. Certain things are just WRONG. mini Oh, and what makes you think that would be terrorists do not DAILY threaten US Citizens here and abroad?? It is their cowardice coupled with our preparedness that keeps their urges in check, not any supposed "moral higher ground". |
I would agree with benedict. Some of these "terrorists" you sold weapons to!
Of course you'd have to define "terrorist". There are some people who have said that Henry Kissinger should be brought to trial for crimes against humanity you know. :) To answer your question, you don't do it because you're not very good at it. I mean how many times has the US tried to assasinate Castro and Khadafi. :) |
To answer the original question: There is an Executive Order prohibiting it.
|
I understand how you feel, well maybe not completely since i dont know anyone directly affected by him. I am totally against violence but recently i saw a thing on tv about people in India selling preteen girls to be prostitutes. the only thing i could think of is give me a baseball bat and let me go over there and they won't be doing this anymore. but i know that isn't the best solution but sometimes you just feel like :johnwoo:
|
Originally posted by classicman2 To answer the original question: There is an Executive Order prohibiting it. Thank you. Do you know when it was signed? mini |
Originally posted by eXcentris To answer your question, you don't do it because you're not very good at it. I mean how many times has the US tried to assasinate Castro and Khadafi. :) mini |
I meant that when <i>we</i> start acting outside of the law on a regular basis - killing outside of wartime - then we lose any claim to holding the moral high ground: we become terrorist also.
The main reason I ask anyone espousing your view to define what you mean by "terrorism" is because it doesn't take long to find recent examples of "respectable" nations having engaged in similar tactics. Aside from empathy, I cannot speak for your friend's loss: there are plenty of people who have expereinced similar losses at the hands of those implicitly and explicitly supported (or even armed/trained) by the US and European nations. It doesn't make any of it "right" but I am trying to suggest more of a re-focussing and less of aknee-jerk reaction. It is a difficult one, I agree. (PS I knew the answer C-man gave but I thought it better posted by a US citizen! I think it was signed some time after the Bay of Pigs fiasco). |
Originally posted by minifigg Werd. Buy WHY? Surely if Diane Sawyer can find these guys...maybe she just has better intel?? mini |
Originally posted by minifigg I was wondering when you would wander in... Thank you. Do you know when it was signed? mini I believe, I am not certain though, that it takes Congressional action to overturn this particular Executive Order. I don't believe the President can do it on his own as he can with many other Executive Orders. |
No employee of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, political assassination.
--Executive Order 11905, signed by President Gerald Ford (February 18, 1976) No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, assassination. --Executive Order 12333, signed by President Ronald Reagan (December 4, 1981) Twenty-three days after the Rockefeller Commission was impanelled, the Senate announced its own investigatory body, the Committee to Study Government Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities (also known as the Church Committee after its Chairman). Handling one of the largest investigations ever undertaken by the Senate, the Church Committee was charged with looking at CIA domestic activities; covert activity abroad, including alleged assassinations of foreign leaders; alleged abuses by the Internal Revenue Service and the FBI; alleged domestic spying by the military; and the alleged interceptions of the conversations of U.S. citizens by the National Security Agency. The Committee's inquiry lasted for almost a year, resulting in a six-volume report, released in April 1976. The Committee recommended, among other things, that the President consider separating the DCI from the CIA; that the authorities of the DCI over elements of the Intelligence Community be enhanced; that statutory charters be established for CIA, DIA and NSA; that the National Foreign Intelligence Budget be published; and that clandestine support to repressive regimes that disregarded human rights be prohibited by law. The Committee lauded several reforms (including a ban on assassination) already implemented by President Ford. http://www.prospect.org/print-friend.../8/vest-j.html & http://faculty.lls.edu/~manheimk/ns/moon2.htm for some interesting insights into state-sponsored terrorism. Ahem. |
Interesting that REPUBLICANS are the framers of this order.
|
In response to posts about Bin Laden, I thought I should add that a former roommate of mine was from Ethiopia (a Christian nation, by the way) and at one point there, and through much of Africa, Bin Laden was viewed as a hero. Mainly because he was against Western influence in Africa, something I agree with. I cannot speak for the acts that have been attributed to him, but at one point, maybe 10 or 15 years ago, there was an entirely different perspective. I agree with Benedict that a man can be a savior one day and a terrorist the next, all depending on one's politics.
As to just killing the bad people, who are we to decide who is bad? It's not something I would ever want to do. Let them go through a trial, etc., not just knock them off. That would just continue the situation the world finds itself in now. |
Originally posted by Yancey Let them go through a trial, etc., not just knock them off. That would just continue the situation the world finds itself in now. |
Originally posted by classicman2 We can always try them in the kangaroo court we and our NATO allies have set up in The Hague. What a joke? :( |
no news people find these guys, the "terrorists" contact the news people and take them to teh meeting place, which I'm sure isn't their normal hideout
Originally posted by minifigg Werd. Buy WHY? Surely if Diane Sawyer can find these guys...maybe she just has better intel?? mini |
what does that have to do with anything?
Originally posted by minifigg Interesting that REPUBLICANS are the framers of this order. |
Originally posted by mikehunt what does that have to do with anything? |
watch RAMBO 3. Tell me who the real heroes in that movie are. since you don't have the USSR to worry about anymore, you guys need a new villan.
the taliban, the iraqis, iranains, libyans, etc are the bad guys now. side not :- the situation of women in saudi arabia and afghanistan is very similar (difference is there but that can be disregarded mainly due to the the turbulent past of afghanistan). Do we hear anything bad about the saudis??? no, why, cuz they're siding with the US. |
Let me make a prediction. Whenever the israeli - palentinian issue gets settled, you won't be bothered by the 'terrorists' anymore.
|
Originally posted by nomaan Let me make a prediction. Whenever the israeli - palentinian issue gets settled, you won't be bothered by the 'terrorists' anymore. |
such high hopes :)
|
Originally posted by classicman2 Let me make a further prediction. The Israeli-Palestinian issue is never going to be settled. You seem to be one of the few around here who understands this..... |
oh it will end eventually, once one of the sides has been totally killed off, unfortunately for those who hate each other that will never happen, at least I hope it doesn't since neither side deserves that
Originally posted by Giantrobo You seem to be one of the few around here who understands this..... |
Heya, minifigg
Here's my plan. Problem: "No employee of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, political assassination. " Solution: We let the U.S. Virgin Islands secede and become their own country on the condition that they have to be a badass country and do our dirty work for us. It's kind of a variation on the good cop/bad cop thing. So, when some terrorist hiding out in Syria or someplace blows up an airliner we can say, 'uh-oh, not much we can do about it, but those Virgin Islanders are nuts and they hate that sort of thing. Don't know if we can hold 'em back' ;) |
| All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:06 PM. |
Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.