The Official Arrow Films 4K/Blu-ray Discussion and Release Thread
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But it's usually not the same jackass that originally painted it.
Though they share the same name, the earlier jackass painted that picture under different conditions, responding to different stimuli and restrictions (as well as liberties), and was preoccupied by ideas and themes at the time that are far removed from this older jackass who suddenly thinks he knows better.
Maybe he does- but he is not the same young buck that created it. Time and exposure to other art and artists over the decades has changed him.
Privileged elder statesman Sir Ridley Scott, who has lost relevancy and now follows trends, is not the same Ridley Scott who was young, lean, hungry and set trends.
I don't want the former going anywhere near the latter's work. But studios and fans are eager to let him, because they think his 201X era judgement should be allowed to (literally) color his 1970/80/90's works.
Though they share the same name, the earlier jackass painted that picture under different conditions, responding to different stimuli and restrictions (as well as liberties), and was preoccupied by ideas and themes at the time that are far removed from this older jackass who suddenly thinks he knows better.
Maybe he does- but he is not the same young buck that created it. Time and exposure to other art and artists over the decades has changed him.
Privileged elder statesman Sir Ridley Scott, who has lost relevancy and now follows trends, is not the same Ridley Scott who was young, lean, hungry and set trends.
I don't want the former going anywhere near the latter's work. But studios and fans are eager to let him, because they think his 201X era judgement should be allowed to (literally) color his 1970/80/90's works.
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If the jackass who originally painted it changed his mind decades later, then yes, I would have to agree that I have a problem with it. Personally, I think once the negative is finished, you're done. The way that the negative projected from a fresh print under optimum conditions looks and sounds should be the reference going forward. That's the film. If you want to present an ALTERNATE cut with a remix, I'm OK with that, but if it was originally in mono, then lossless mono should be a present option on the disc. There are are variances that you have to allow for in distribution (projection multi-track stereo mixes remixed in 5.1, etc), but that's different from outright changes applied to the whole thing. But I'm a jack-off who lives with his parents, not a filmmaker who's devoted his whole life to it, so I feel like an armchair moralist.
Sometimes I wonder if 14 year old me would recognize me now....
Sometimes I wonder if 14 year old me would recognize me now....
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DVD-era masters weren't 'correct' either, they were far too magenta. It seems like home video is going to try to look its best according to the current TV technology instead of matching what we think 35mm prints looked like back in the theater.
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Given how 35mm is dead and the next generation won't have seen it in cinemas, it's not surprising. Unless you're talking someone like Scorsese or Spielberg, most directors probably have very little interest in going back to ensure that it emulates that look. Plus Cronenberg is one of the members of the "film is dead" party, so it's not likely a priority for him.
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Very eloquently stated, Paul and hanshotfirst1138. I also wonder if my 14-year-old self would recognize my current self and wonder if all my 'education' in these lines over all these years had just been some poppycock and falderal.
But, it *is* important! Revisionism (AKA 'tealification') is getting far, far too out of hand. And, very few have the balls to acknowledge it and fervently state that it is a Very Bad Thing (tm).
It is the rampant egoism / money-as-king and 'perception of modernity' that seems to trounce correctness in preserving the art of film as it was originally seen in 35mm in theatres.
But, it *is* important! Revisionism (AKA 'tealification') is getting far, far too out of hand. And, very few have the balls to acknowledge it and fervently state that it is a Very Bad Thing (tm).
It is the rampant egoism / money-as-king and 'perception of modernity' that seems to trounce correctness in preserving the art of film as it was originally seen in 35mm in theatres.
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http://www.subwaycinema.com/nyaff15/...-and-humanity/
Looks like Arrow will be releasing Battles Without Honor and Humanity in the U.S.
Looks like Arrow will be releasing Battles Without Honor and Humanity in the U.S.
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I wonder if folks would support a revisionist Man of Steel that has highly saturated colors.
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It would probably improve the movie, but it's not like that was applied later or something, it had the same aesthetic when it was shown at the cinema. I'd rather they release a version of it with a decent screenplay.
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I've reviewed Cemetery Without Crosses and Contamination, if anyone's been waiting with baited breath for my thoughts.
Arrow just announced on Facebook that they're issuing a Blu-ray release of Deep Red from a shiny, new 4K scan, and my head exploded. It's not coming to the U.S., but I'm importing the hell out of this one. Two cuts and a soundtrack CD!
Arrow just announced on Facebook that they're issuing a Blu-ray release of Deep Red from a shiny, new 4K scan, and my head exploded. It's not coming to the U.S., but I'm importing the hell out of this one. Two cuts and a soundtrack CD!
#561
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Impressive October lineup. I wish they could release it all over here but I'll be importing the UK only releases.
#562
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UK only:
Hellraiser Trilogy
Kiju Yoshida: Love + Anarchism
Deep Red 4K
Thieves' Highway
UK/US:
Tenderness of the Wolves
Edgar Allen Poe's Black Cats: Two Adaptations by Sergio Martino and Lucio Fulci
US:
The Beast
Immoral Tales
Hellraiser Trilogy
Kiju Yoshida: Love + Anarchism
Deep Red 4K
Thieves' Highway
UK/US:
Tenderness of the Wolves
Edgar Allen Poe's Black Cats: Two Adaptations by Sergio Martino and Lucio Fulci
US:
The Beast
Immoral Tales
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#563
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Let me guess, the HR Trilogy will likely be region locked, correct?
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Hopefully I'll finally be able to get rid of my HDTV rips for Hellraiser 2 and 3
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Interesting that at least one of the special features from Immoral Tales have been cut from the UK release and different content substituted.
Happy that I have the UK disc now- even though the material is censored.
Happy that I have the UK disc now- even though the material is censored.
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Limited Edition Contents:
Brand new 2K restorations of Hellraiser, Hellbound: Hellraiser II, and Hellraiser III: Hell on Earth
Hellraiser: Evolutions – a brand new documentary looking at the evolution of the hit horror franchise and its enduring legacy, featuring interviews with numerous cast and crew from the series’ later instalments including Scott Derrickson (director, Hellraiser: Inferno), Rick Bota (director, Hellseeker, Deader and Hellworld), alongside genre figures Marcus Dunstan and Patrick Melton (writers Saw IV, Feast) and Stuart Gordon (director, Re-Animator, From Beyond)
Audio commentaries for all 3 films
Hours on archive material including cast/crew interviews, EPK material, storyboards, trailers, TV spots and more
Clive Barker early short films Salome and The Forbidden
Exclusive 200 page hardback book with new writing on Hellraiser and the Barker universe from Barker archivists Phil and Sarah Stokes. Contains chapters looking at Barker’s early work, the genesis and production of the first 3 films in the Hellraiser series, as well as a consideration of the development of the character of Pinhead and a look at Pinhead’s latest literary incarnation The Scarlet Gospels, all illustrated with a wealth of production stills and unseen material from the Barker archive
Exclusive Limited Edition packaging with expansive new artwork from Gilles Vranckx
Much more to be announced!
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I am in.
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Holy crap. I only have the Blu-Ray of the first film from the Lament Configuration set.
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http://www.arrowfilms.co.uk/hellrais...ition-trilogy/
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I've reviewed Cemetery Without Crosses and Contamination, if anyone's been waiting with baited breath for my thoughts.
Arrow just announced on Facebook that they're issuing a Blu-ray release of Deep Red from a shiny, new 4K scan, and my head exploded. It's not coming to the U.S., but I'm importing the hell out of this one. Two cuts and a soundtrack CD!
Arrow just announced on Facebook that they're issuing a Blu-ray release of Deep Red from a shiny, new 4K scan, and my head exploded. It's not coming to the U.S., but I'm importing the hell out of this one. Two cuts and a soundtrack CD!
The majority of the article is about Nightmare City though.
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In case people dont realise, the Poe Black Cat set will include Fulci's The Black Cat and Martino's seminal giallo Your Vice is Locked Room and Only I Have the Key, both from 2K OCN restorations.
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Arrow Films announced (on their FB page) that the U.S. edition of SOCIETY is now OOP!
Get yours while you still can!
Get yours while you still can!



