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Old 01-05-17, 12:31 PM
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Re: CES 2017: The future belongs to 8k with new hdmi specification

First look at Sony's in action. Very nice, but that stand is weird and I'm freaked out that the bottom of the screen pretty much touches the bottom. So nice, I'm fairly certain the price alone will dull my excitement.

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Where is the content going to come from? Cable/satellite does everything they can to give you highest possible compression in the signal and with data caps and net neutrality nonsense coming possibly soon how much are people really going to be able to stream it?
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Re: CES 2017: The future belongs to 8k with new hdmi specification

Originally Posted by bunkaroo
Don't give a shit about 8K, but I'm happy to see more manufacturers entering the OLED market.
Definitely. The more companies that enter the market, the more likely more people will be buying them - which will bring down the costs.

I have a 65" LED right now, but I'd love to eventually put that downstairs and get one of them thin/light OLEDs in at least 70" to replace it.
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Re: CES 2017: The future belongs to 8k with new hdmi specification

Originally Posted by trespoochies
LG panel, but Sony tech - which to me is where the value is. From what I've been reading, the LG panels are produced by LG Display, which sells to LG, Sony, and soon to be Samsung. yeah, I'm hoping the Sony tech will be able to give it the right picture we've been seeking.
Yes, Sony processing is MUCH better than LGs. I do like most modern LG Tvs though. Their was a discussion on the price of the Sony OLED a few weeks ago on AVS. Don't be surprised if Sony is pretty competitive with pricing over the next year.

It's unfortunate Samsung is sticking with TVs that are still essentially edge lit LCDs.
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Re: CES 2017: The future belongs to 8k with new hdmi specification

I have a hunch including 8K is mostly about neatly upscaling 4K releases. That is why HDMI is gung-ho about pushing its spec. We aren't going to get native 8K material for possibly another decade.
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Re: CES 2017: The future belongs to 8k with new hdmi specification

Originally Posted by DthRdrX
Panasonic abandoned the US market awhile ago.
Who still makes televisions for the US?

I know Sony, Samsung, Vizio, and LG do.

Anyone else (major, not d-listers)?

I think Sharp still does, but I haven't seen one in a while. Zenith and RCA are history. Haven't seen a Toshiba in years.
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Re: CES 2017: The future belongs to 8k with new hdmi specification

I'd love a 77" OLED, but I'm not paying $8k for a TV. That is my problem with OLEDs. I want something 70" or bigger, but I'm not paying crazy prices. That is why I might jump on the Samsung new QUHD TVs this year when they come out.
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Re: CES 2017: The future belongs to 8k with new hdmi specification

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
Anyone else (major, not d-listers)?
You pretty much covered it.

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
I think Sharp still does, but I haven't seen one in a while. Zenith and RCA are history. Haven't seen a Toshiba in years.
There are a couple of 2016 model year Toshiba-branded TVs at Best Buy, but they're from Compal Electronics who licensed the Toshiba name rather than Toshiba themselves. It's the same story with Sharp; I see at least one 2016 model on bestbuy.com and Amazon under the Sharp name, but they're rebadged/rebranded/whatever Hisense displays.
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Re: CES 2017: The future belongs to 8k with new hdmi specification

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Old 01-05-17, 10:22 PM
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Re: CES 2017: The future belongs to 8k with new hdmi specification

According to Value Electronics' Robert Zohn (the retailer that does the high-end display shootouts every year), the only 2017 TV that supports 3D is Sony's Z9D.
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Re: CES 2017: The future belongs to 8k with new hdmi specification

Well at $8k-$10k, they should have 3D as an option.
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Re: CES 2017: The future belongs to 8k with new hdmi specification

Originally Posted by Dan
What I see a lot of people say is that 35mm film is "about" 4K and 70mm film is "about" 8K. But it's not that simple because film doesn't have resolution in the same way a digital image does. I'm willing to believe that a 35mm (or hell, even a 16mm) film could benefit from an 8K scan instead of a 2K or 4K scan, although I don't have any proof that that's the case. You'd have to see side-by-side comparisons done using the same print, I imagine.
What about Imax film? I think that's 70mm, which is apparently around 12K.
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Re: CES 2017: The future belongs to 8k with new hdmi specification

Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
According to Value Electronics' Robert Zohn (the retailer that does the high-end display shootouts every year), the only 2017 TV that supports 3D is Sony's Z9D.
Wow. Perhaps they did that (mainly LG) for technical reasons (such as to help add more HDR brightness?) Can't see them doing it just to be dicks. More 3D movies were released in 2016 than in any other year

But the Z9 is a 2016 model, so would that count?
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Re: CES 2017: The future belongs to 8k with new hdmi specification

The Z9 is most likely a carryover. IMO this is a plus for Projectors as it seems 3D will be an added benefit for them. Still, it looks like the CEs know 4K is about to be pushed big time while 3D is quietly phased out.

Their is usually one "Sharp" or "Toshiba" TV at Best Buy every year. When Panny bought out Sanyo both brands fell backwards. Those used to be the highest selling HT projectors and then they were both just gone .... Mitsubishi is another brand that has fallen as well.
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Re: CES 2017: The future belongs to 8k with new hdmi specification

BTW, I have a feeling higher resolutions were included in the new HDMI spec simply so that they wouldn't have to change it for some time. They are aware that people are getting fed up with it changing every year. HDR implementation and branding has been a disaster so far as well so I'm sure that is where the attention went this year.

8K resolution on a normal sized flat panel is a waste IMO. There would have to be some other type of break through tech that changes image quality for another disc format to be released, in which case the HDMI spec would have to change again anyway. Most likely, it's inclusion in the new spec allows the CEs to build high end 100K+ 8K sets as showpieces with current HDMI standards.
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Re: CES 2017: The future belongs to 8k with new hdmi specification

Originally Posted by John Pannozzi
What about Imax film? I think that's 70mm, which is apparently around 12K.
IMAX film is 70mm tall, so it's actually much larger than other 70mm (really 65mm) film formats.



People like to throw out a lot of arbitrary numbers when comparing the supposed "resolution" of analog film stocks, which cannot be measured in pixels. I'm sure Christopher Nolan would tell you that IMAX is 100 billion k, and I'm sure he believes it.

In actual practice, SMTE measured the effective resolution of IMAX film by printing test patterns onto IMAX 15/70 stock and found it to be less clear than 4k digital when projected.
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Re: CES 2017: The future belongs to 8k with new hdmi specification

Originally Posted by Josh Z
People like to throw out a lot of arbitrary numbers when comparing the supposed "resolution" of analog film stocks, which cannot be measured in pixels. I'm sure Christopher Nolan would tell you that IMAX is 100 billion k, and I'm sure he believes it.

In actual practice, SMTE measured the effective resolution of IMAX film by printing test patterns onto IMAX 15/70 stock and found it to be less clear than 4k digital when projected.
Indeed. And well-said. Of course, the factors that limit resolution performance in projection (image deterioration from print generations, projector weave, etc.) won't have any bearing on the image harvest from the negative for telecine applications, so there should be greater resolution available for that purpose.
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Originally Posted by Doctorossi
Indeed. And well-said. Of course, the factors that limit resolution performance in projection (image deterioration from print generations, projector weave, etc.) won't have any bearing on the image harvest from the negative for telecine applications, so there should be greater resolution available for that purpose.
I still tend to doubt that it's anywhere near as high as some people will claim.
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Re: CES 2017: The future belongs to 8k with new hdmi specification

My uncle just got a 55" SONY 4K display and wanted me to join the club. At this point I still like the picture of my 58" Panasonic Plasma. I think it is starting to get a bit dimmer but no way of knowing for sure.

I stopped by the local boutique TV retailer and to check out the latest. It seemed like 60 - 65" were anywhere from $1500 to $5000. Most of the pictures are turned up so high they were burning my eyes within minutes. No way of knowing how it would really look in my room.

For Coral. There are still a few holdouts on physical media. I'm one of them. I don't buy very much anymore but there are a few I still enjoy collecting; the Marvel Universe and War genre are two I don't mind owning. The rest I rent from Family Video or the library.
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Originally Posted by Josh Z
I still tend to doubt that it's anywhere near as high as some people will claim.
I'm with you there, as well.

Also, it's moot after a certain point. Even if a format could resolve 12K (hint: none can), the peak of human visual acuity is in the 8K-9K range.
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Re: CES 2017: The future belongs to 8k with new hdmi specification

I had a chance to see an 8K TV IRL the other day and I got to say I couldn't tell any difference in quality from my 4k set. But I bet it would become more noticeable in the 120"+ sets.
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Originally Posted by SterlingBen
I had a chance to see an 8K TV IRL the other day and I got to say I couldn't tell any difference in quality from my 4k set. But I bet it would become more noticeable in the 120"+ sets.
Excuse my ignorance...what size of screen and was it native 8k material or an upconvert?

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Re: CES 2017: The future belongs to 8k with new hdmi specification

Originally Posted by melasnus
Excuse my ignorance...what is "IRL?"
In real life.
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Originally Posted by melasnus
Excuse my ignorance...what size of screen and was it native 8k material or an upconvert?
I didn't overly investigate aside from getting up to a few inches from the panel. It was maybe a 80" display in Yodabashi running some non-movie content loop so I would imagine it was 8k material.
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