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Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Originally Posted by PerryD
(Post 13036222)
You missed laser disc in between VHS and DVD. It made DVD evolutionary too, similar resolution, dolby digital audio, commentary tracks, etc.
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Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Picked up an XBOX One S over the holidays, scored X-Men Apocalypse with it. Also picked up Batman V Superman and received Ghostbusters as a gift. I like the upgraded picture quality, but the prices on releases have put me off from making further purchases
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Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Originally Posted by Doctorossi
(Post 13036432)
LD pre-dates VHS.
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Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Originally Posted by Doctorossi
(Post 13036432)
LD pre-dates VHS.
Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
(Post 13036481)
Not as a commercial format.
Of course, there were also home videocassette precursors to VHS, like the U-Matic released in 1971, The "VCR" format released in 1972, the Cartrivision format, also in 1972, and of course Betamax, released in 1975: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videoc...r#Sony_U-matic |
Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
If they are going to take their UHDs from 2k sources, we are not going to see much of an upgrade over a BD. I popped in my 4k copy of Suicide Squad and then the blu ray and they looked identical. I couldn't any discernible differences. It sounds like the same thing is happening on many of the other supposed 4k releases.
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Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Here's a site that keeps track of real vs "fake" (aka upscaled) titles:
http://realorfake4k.com/list/ Ironically, the bulk of "real" 4K titles are streaming TV shows on Netflix and Amazon. Even with the upscaling, the HDR of the UHD BD should've showed a difference, if your TV supports HDR. |
Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Originally Posted by dsa_shea
(Post 13036831)
If they are going to take their UHDs from 2k sources, we are not going to see much of an upgrade over a BD. I popped in my 4k copy of Suicide Squad and then the blu ray and they looked identical. I couldn't any discernible differences. It sounds like the same thing is happening on many of the other supposed 4k releases.
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Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
I finally watched my first 4K disc last night- Deadpool, which I bought on release day just to have a 4K disc in my collection even though I couldn't play it til now. My verdict is that it's a very SLIGHT improvement over Blu-Ray, but not enough to make me go "Wow!" the way I did first seeing an HD-DVD after being used to standard DVD, and certainly not as much wow factor as 3D has, though this movie was not shot or converted in 3D to begin with. True that it's on the "fake" 4K list so it likely isn't as good as the format can do, but given that no 3D titles are posted in 4K either it makes NO sense to me to give up 3D for this minor improvement in resolution. I'm a very picky viewer too, so if *I* don't see enough improvement in this format then the average idiot certainly won't.
I'll still buy all 2D titles on this format when they're available, maybe the next one will wow me a little more. The next one I watch will probably be the extended version of the new Ghostbusters, as that's only on the 4K disc while the 3D is just the theatrical cut. I'll watch the theatrical cut in 3D first, then watch the extended version in 4K and see how that turns out. |
Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Originally Posted by Jay G.
(Post 13036840)
Here's a site that keeps track of real vs "fake" (aka upscaled) titles:
http://realorfake4k.com/list/ Ironically, the bulk of "real" 4K titles are streaming TV shows on Netflix and Amazon. Even with the upscaling, the HDR of the UHD BD should've showed a difference, if your TV supports HDR. |
Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Originally Posted by dsa_shea
(Post 13036831)
If they are going to take their UHDs from 2k sources, we are not going to see much of an upgrade over a BD. I popped in my 4k copy of Suicide Squad and then the blu ray and they looked identical. I couldn't any discernible differences. It sounds like the same thing is happening on many of the other supposed 4k releases.
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Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Originally Posted by bruceames
(Post 13037481)
You need to check more titles from 2K DI's. Most of them do show a difference in spatial detail (although nearly all show extra detail in the highlights and dark areas due to HDR). It helps that it has 3 times the bit rate and a more efficient codec. It goes to show that perhaps we're not actually seeing all of the 2K resolution on Blu-ray like it is assumed.
The effect of higher bitrates can of course affect image detail (but not resolution), as evidenced by the "Superbit" DVDs back in the day. And HDR may allow for details that would've been "crushed" with a lower color palette/dynamic range. However, the upconversion from 2K to 4K itself doesn't add any detail, and at best is detail-neutral. In some ways it's a shame that the UHD Blu-ray format essentially requires the film to be in UHD resolution, as films with 2K intermediates may be better served with staying at 1080p, but with all the other enhancements provided by the UHD Blu-ray format. |
Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
As I said, most 2K DIs do show an appreciable uptick in detail (although not necessarily in all scenes). It is pretty much accepted as common knowledge by now. Of course newer owners often have to see for themselves before believing the consensus, because it doesn't make sense to them.
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Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Originally Posted by bruceames
(Post 13037545)
As I said, most 2K DIs do show an appreciable uptick in detail (although not necessarily in all scenes)....
Also, there have always been changes in mastering tech that can cause differences in quality, even when taken from the same source. There are examples of DVD re-releases and even Blu-ray re-releases that have notable improvements over the original release in that format, despite the resolution being the same. Do you have any examples of screenshots you can link to? |
Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Originally Posted by Jay G.
(Post 13037573)
Do you have any examples of screenshots you can link to? To get a pretty good idea though I would just read some comparative reviews of some of the titles in question. It would seem the extra detail is coming from a combination of various elements like you say: higher bit rate, better codec, HDR/WCG/10 bit depth. |
Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Well, I just ordered my first UHD title for pickup at Best Buy - That Suicide Squad Steelbook on sale for $15 ($10 after a reward cert) but it looks like I'm going to cancel it after dsa_shea's comments.
I don't have a UHD player yet and my 4K TV is pre HDR. So, I guess I'm still waiting. And I probably will keep waiting until Disney/Marvel/Lucasfilm is on board. Saves me some money I guess. :shrug: |
Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Originally Posted by goblin23
(Post 13038869)
So, I guess I'm still waiting. And I probably will keep waiting until Disney/Marvel/Lucasfilm is on board.
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Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
I had planned on not buying any Disney movies until they got on board. But since nearly all of their top releases have 3D SKUs I don't mind buying those and getting the 4K later if I'm still interested. Although I do prefer 4K, I still am a fan of 3D and besides I think the studios probably won't be releasing many 3D titles after this year. So I want to get them while they are still available.
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Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Originally Posted by goblin23
(Post 13038869)
Well, I just ordered my first UHD title for pickup at Best Buy - That Suicide Squad Steelbook on sale for $15 ($10 after a reward cert) but it looks like I'm going to cancel it after dsa_shea's comments.
I don't have a UHD player yet and my 4K TV is pre HDR. So, I guess I'm still waiting. And I probably will keep waiting until Disney/Marvel/Lucasfilm is on board. Saves me some money I guess. :shrug: |
Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Pretty crazy day coming up on Tuesday. Four Harry Potter films, Fantastic Beasts, Planet Earth II... not a bad day for the format at all.
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Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
My copy of PE Dos will arrive Monday. Looking forward to that. I'll pick up the others when they hit $14.99, or just wait out for the inevitable box set.
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Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Also, Bill Hunt of Digitalbits confirmed the Potter films have DTS:X while Fantastic Beasts has Atmos. He hasn't gone through Beasts yet, but he says it could have Dolby Vision, which would make it the first UHD with it.
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UHD Blu-ray disc sales are expected to increase 8-fold this year
UHD Blu-ray disc sales are expected to increase 8-fold this year and Hollywood is expected to release as many new titles in the last 4 months of 2017 as in the first 8, the Blu-ray Disc Association told us when we met them at IFA in Berlin. Busy 4 months ahead Despite a decline in total sales of discs, the UHD Blu-ray format is seeing strong uptake. The BDA pointed to a number of factors as to why that is. First of all, UHD TV sales are on the rise, with one third of all households globally expected to have one by the end of 2021. Also, high-speed broadband adoption is lagging in many regions. UHD Blu-ray disc sales are expected to increase 8-fold over 2016, according to figures shared with FlatpanelsHD by Telly Kim, Executive Director, New Technology Marketing at Warner Bros, and Spokesperson for the BDA. 20 million discs were sold last year. Also, UHD disc player sales are up 133% so far in 2017, with major brands such as LG, Microsoft, Oppo, Panasonic, Philips, Samsung, and Sony onboard. Over 300,000 players were sold in 2016. The 4 months ahead will be particularly busy. In the first 8 months of 2017, Hollywood has released approximately 150 UHD discs. An additional 150 titles will be released before the end of 2017. There are some major titles in the mix, the BDA teased. |
Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
I had a revelation the other day: I have no idea how the specs for how 4K UltraHD discs are physically made and played differ from regular Blu-ray and DVD.
Is there a good website that summarizes the differences? |
Re: Let's talk about Ultra HD Blu-ray
Originally Posted by milo bloom
(Post 13157519)
I had a revelation the other day: I have no idea how the specs for how 4K UltraHD discs are physically made and played differ from regular Blu-ray and DVD.
Is there a good website that summarizes the differences? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#BDXL They can also be pressed onto the same 50GB dual-layer disc that Blu-ray uses, and some early UHD Blu-ray titles were on such discs: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=277330 This Blu-ray white paper has a lot of info on the physical disc formats: http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Assets/Do...0817_clean.pdf |
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