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For those looking for a UHD player. $199.99 at Best Buy now. Good price already. No in-store pickup option, but shipping is free with 2 day ship.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-...?skuId=4853800

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I feel like i'll jump in when Disney does. I've been so tempted to buy a Samsung KS8000 this week.

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... but Disney's been waiting for you!

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That's still about $150 too high. I can buy a budgest BD player at $35 and a good player at $50-ish.

I remember this argument with my wife regarding a swimming pool: She wanted a fancy, built-in pool - cost $20k+. I told her we can buy those above ground Target pools for a few hundred bucks instead. "But they don't last that long", she countered. I then told her we can buy a new pool every year for 50 years and still come out saving money in the end. She relented, and we've been happy ever since (1st pool has lasted 3 years so far...)

If your blu-ray player dies today, buy another one! You can buy 4 or 5 more if you need to while waiting for UHD to either get more affordable or die. Either way, you'll be saving money.

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The format has been up and running about a year. It's a great price for a new format. Or just wait 8 years or so and you can get it at the price you want.

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As far as I know there is only 1 Ultra Blu Ray music title so it looks like it will be awhile before I even think about getting a player.

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8 and a half months, even. It's waaaaay more affordable than Blu-ray was at this point in its lifecycle.

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This Philips one is $179.99 but you gotta put in in your shopping cart to see the price.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/philips-...?skuId=5495211

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Amazon beat the price for that Samsung to $197 and the Philips one is also $179 on there.

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UBD-K...blu+ray+player

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In the current market they have to bring the prices down quickly. It's not 2007 anymore where the only real competition at the time was DVD & HDDVD.

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If I were to buy an UHD-BD player, it wouldn't bother me to spend $199 on a player at this point... it's an acceptable price for a newish format.

But most people don't look at it that way. They're not saying "Oh, this is a better price than BD players in it's first year of existence. This is totally worth it - I'm gonna buy!". They're comparing it to the value of things today. That's all that matters. As already stated, they don't need to buy a player when streaming. They can get 1080p and even 4k streaming now. And if they really want to buy media, BD players are $39 today and the discs are cheaper.

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Hell yeah, I paid over $300 for the first blu-ray player (Panasonic DMP-BD55K Blu-ray Disc Player) back in 2008.

The only other Blu-ray player I brought was the Panasonic DMP-BDT220 Integrated Wi-Fi 3D Blu-ray Player for $70 back in 12/05/12.

Great price for that Samsung Ultra HD Blu-ray player. I'm thinking about buying one even though I do not have a 4K TV yet.

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Samsung UBD-K8500 now $189.99 on Amazon. Also saw this at Costco (their branded model) for the same price.

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UBD-K...sung+ubd-k8500

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Bingo. That's exactly how most consumers in today's economic environment make decisions. The bottom line: They really don't care about incremental improvements in image quality. I will likely buy UHD when I have a compatible display but I feel no compulsion—and I am part of that niche market they need to win over.

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4K UHD Blu-ray player for $99. Get it before the price changes!
https://www.nfm.com/DetailsPage.aspx?productid=47118815

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Thanks Dan, I picked one up. $96.99 + $8 tax is just insanely good. Has an estimated a ship date of Jan 5th, but for that price, I can wait. I just hope they fulfill it.

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Thanks Dan. Finally time to retire the PS3 as my DVD/Blu-ray player.

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Wonder if it's region hackable? I've seen that player at Target, price will probably drop to that same level there, but would still rather wait for the Oppo all things considered.

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Now sold out at NFM.

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Do you know what cpu/chipset is running on this particular player?

If you do, it's a matter of disassembling the firmware and figuring out which sets of opcodes correspond to checking region codes, which you then modify to ignore the region check.

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Dolby Laboratories, Lionsgate, Universal Pictures Home Entertainment, and Warner Bros. Home Entertainment Announce Commitment to Release Dolby Vision Titles on Ultra HD Blu-ray in Early 2017

I could quote from the press release, but...errrr, the headline pretty much sums it up. No specific titles mentioned.

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So how does this work in terms of working with HDR10?

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1474359278
So does Dolby Vision work "on top" of the HDR10 metadata, or is a completely separate metadata stream?

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My understanding is that Dolby Vision requires an HDR10 base layer, with the extra DV metadata on top of it.

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So I'm taking the leap to UHD. I picked up the LG OLED 65" B6P plus a Samsung player. My receiver is 8 years old, supports trueHD but does not support the latest technology and will not pass through 4K. The salesguy explained to me the various hookups with and without a new receiver. I used to be pretty good at knowing this shit but it all sounded like a foreign language to me. TV first then back to the receiver vs. everything through the receiver was the only part I understood. Before I drop $400 - $500 on a new receiver can anyone explain in English the benefits of a new receiver if there are any? I already have $3500 invested, so if I have to drop another 5 I will. But I certainly don't want to if it doesn't offer any tangible benefits.

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If you're okay with an unconventional setup, you shouldn't have to buy anything (well, except maybe another HDMI cable).

That Samsung player has two HDMI outs: one labeled 'Main' and another labeled 'Sub'. Plug 'Main' directly to your TV. Plug 'Sub' to your current receiver.

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I was in a similar boat. I just got a LG OLED 65" E6P and Xbox One S, and my receiver, a Yahama HTR-5063, couldn't pass through UHD. I ended up hooking the XB1S to the TV, then hooking one of the HDMI inputs on the TV to the HDMI out on the receiver and turning on ARC (Audio Return Channel) on both.

It looks like the ARC feature was part of HDMI 1.4 spec, released in 2009. So your model receiver may be just a little too old to have this feature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_1.4
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...ed-works-care/
http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/arc.aspx


Adam Tyner's method of using the two HDMI outputs on the Samsung Blu-ray player should work. Keep in mind that you should use the Blu-ray player's streaming apps then if you want their sound to come out the receiver, not the TV's apps.

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Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the Sammy 4K player apps can do 4K (unless there's been an update I'm not aware of). Therefore, if you want to watch HDR-10 and Dolby Vision shows from Netflix or another app, you'll need to use the built-in apps on your LG 4K TV (which will render the image in 4K with one of the methods above, if applicable). I have my audio set up through ARC (HDMI from reciever to ARC HDMI input on TV; HDMI from Sammy 4K player to another HDMI input on TV) and it works fine, although I do have handshake issues when trying to do the same with my standard Oppo 103 player, but I don't use that for 4K movies, so I've been using it less and less these days anyway.

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Samsung player has Netflix 4k but I don't know about HDR. I stopped using its apps when I got my Sony TV because I prefer running my apps through the TV and Netflix has HDR on it. I don't watch Netflix myself, but my granddaughter does a lot and she only needs one remote and when the TV gets turned off, then Netflix stops there too and resumes where she left off. If she were watching through another device then that device would have to be turned off as well.

I have a really old Onkyo with analog connections but frankly the Sony 940C speakers and Sony wireless sub connected sounds good enough so I just use that these days. Makes things a lot simpler too. One of these days I'll upgrade to Atmos but I'm in no big hurry to do so.

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What Shannon said made sense. Bruce just confused me. Is there any benefit to a new receiver or is any difference limited to how it's hooked up and which piece I use for streaming or apps? Do I need a new receiver to maximize the sound? Is it just the sound from UHD BR discs?

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Simply put, yes. If you want to utilize the latest sound codecs (Atmos, and DTS:X), as well as be able to pass through full 4k resolution to your TV, you'll need a new receiver. Of course, if you decide to do that, in order to fully hear stuff like Atmos, you'll need at least 7 speakers (5.1.2 setup) for it. And that .2 part will need to be mounted to the ceiling, or you getting some upward firing ones.

https://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/do...tup/index.html

If you don't want to go nuts with speakers, but at least want to pipe the picture through it to your TV to watch 4K, you'll need an updated 4k receiver for that. Updated meaning at least a 2016 model that has the updated HDCP, HDMI.

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I wasn't responding to you but rather Shannon, regarding whether the Samsung apps supported 4k. I then elaborated on my personal setup but it had nothing to do with you at all.

If I quote you, then what I say will have to do with you.

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Mods, can we rename this thread to "Let's Talk About Ultra HD Blu-ray, but only if bruceames quotes you first"? smh

Do these UHD discs with Atmos typically offer a 5.1 alternative or does the Atmos track down convert? (if that's the proper term).

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Looks like I won't be able to do anything with ATMOS. I have a vaulted ceiling in the family room with a pattern in the spackle. So not only would I not be able to get into the ceiling with wired speakers without major construction work, the ceiling is too high to bounce sound off of.

As far as Bruce goes, he didn't quote either one of us in his response. Since I posed the question I assumed it was meant for me. Either way I appreciate the help on the subject.

I've decided to keep my existing receiver for the time being. Once I get everything up and running I'll see if I want to change it.

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If you don't mind mounting speakers to your ceiling, that's how I did mine. And the edges of my ceiling have angles. I bought some good mounts that were cheap but really great quality that allowed me to pivot the speakers to be in line with my main listening position. Some basic cable sleeves kept them well organized. In all, including the additional 4 speakers, I shelled about about $600 ($400 being the 4 SVS satellite speakers).

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_v...I=w374-h281-no https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/mG...M=w210-h281-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/29...=w1225-h919-no


Regarding receivers, there are plenty of good ones that are in the $350-$500 range that fully support Atmos and 4K.

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This makes more sense...4K, but no HDR support. I think maybe that's what it is.

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Atmos on Blu-ray or UHD is encoded as a Dolby TrueHD 7.1 track with added metadata that directs some sounds to the height speakers. If you don't have Atmos equipment, the metadata is simply ignored and you'll get traditional 7.1 (which your receiver can downmix to 5.1).

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I'm sure others have already figured this out, but thought I'd mention it just in case.
I bought the UHD BD of Watchmen awhile back. Finally redeemed the Ultraviolet code. On the card, it only says "Digital HD with Ultraviolet" but my Vudu account shows that I now own a digital UHD copy.
http://i.imgur.com/dZOKqes.png

Not sure if any other titles will redeem as digital UHD, but that's kind of a nice surprise.

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All Warner's title redeem in UHD, some Universal, very few Fox and Paramount titles, and Sony doesn't release any in UHD, unless you redeem the codes through their site. And when you do, you can only view the titles in UHD via their TV's and Sony app. Those codes will port over to other services, but as HDX.

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To be clear, all Warners and some Fox and Paramount titles, when redeemed on Vudu, will redeem as UHD. And I don't think the UHD will transfer to any other UV compatible service.

I don't think the UV standard supports UHD, just like it doesn't support 3D. It doesn't appear to support anything besides SD & HD (HDX is how Vudu redeems/syncs HD UV codes). The UHD redemption on Vudu is a specific partnership between that service and the studios, just like 3D redemption of some codes on that service. I feel like they should extend the standard to at least UHD, but they could also do 3D too while they're at it. Let the services that want to extend support to those formats, while letting other services still sync via the "legacy" format choices (SD or HD).

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this link describes what hoops you have to jump through to get UHD digital access
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...Htmh4/htmlview