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Thanks for the update on AnyDVD. I was wondering what the hell happened to that team.

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Amazon has UHD preorders up for The Revenant and Deadpool. The former is definitely true 4K. I've read conflicting things about Deadpool.

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Multiple times, judging by past releases on disc.

If I had to guess now, I would say you are probably correct. I would think we will see new releases, the big titles not everything, and some big catalog titles. Unfortunately, with streaming options what they are nowadays, I dont see too many releases on this new format.

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Yeah, you know I'd like a better image quality but with all this shit added...they can go fuck themselves. I have enough Blu-ray movies and will be buying enough in the future to keep myself way more than entertained.

Good luck with that. The only people who will be adopting are the usual people who want the latest technology NOW and don't want to wait to see how it plays out...and soon after, you'll have people tossing their expensive equipment out into the trash because of the inconvenience.

I foresee an amazing FUCKUP from AACS. Just wait until some bonehead sends the wrong encryption keys to all devices for a movie and millions of people around the world can't play a popular title that has been advertised up the ass for months, leading up to nothing but bricked players. Just let this happen ONCE...and the game is fucking over.

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My discs play fine. Enjoy being paranoid. ;)

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The early-adopters will be the guinea pigs!

I'm not "paranoid" so much as PISSED-OFF that AACS seems to think they should be put on a pedestal, and anything they do should be embraced wholeheartedly, without protest. They're the good guys, while we, the paying consumers are the bad guys.

The pirates are always going to win, while we, the paying consumers lose out to increased DRM and forced inconvenience...

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UHD is such a fad and 3D will never die...never dammit!!

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Make sure your window is open when screaming that so we can all hear...;)

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I think it's possible UHD's encryption doesn't get cracked for a long time. It will be such a small market of potential software customers, there won't be the same incentives for hackers to break it like Blu-ray. Many niche formats aren't decrypted for years simply because there is little interest.

The example that comes to mind is SACD, which took years to crack as a format because few people outside of audiophiles cared.

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I'm guessing it'll be cracked within a few months, only because hackers love a good challenge. And people are at the very least interested in 4k.

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OK, thanks.

Does APple, Amazon or Vudu have any streaming 4K movies yet?

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Apple: :shrug: I don't know.
Vudu: http://www.vudu.com/movies/#featured/12434
weird, that link might not work. try this: https://www.watchvudu.com/uhd/ then go to 'What to watch' and then 'See the complete Vudu UHD collection'
Amazon: They do, but I don't know how to link it. I watched Fifth Element in 4K the other day. Some scenes looked great...

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the more and more i see these advertised the more my heart drops and wonder if my entire collection will truly be obsolete. i already hate my DVD's and don't even have access to them. the more blurays i get the more i regret it all. ugh...

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Don't have access to your DVD's? Just open the cases. They're inside of them.

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no, most are boxed up and in storage from when i moved. no place else to put them. blurays are kept nice though...

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Imagined if Pioneer was still around making 4K Plasmas. :drool:

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:(

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Unfortunately, even if Pioneer were so inclined, European power requirements make a 4K plasma completely impossible.

I'd be first in line if there were one, though! I'm still watching movies on a Kuro 151FD.

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Talk about an energy hog if they ever made one.

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I know what you mean but at the same time I think you get to chose to be happy with something.

Your DVDs haven't changed since you first bought them, your perception of them being obsolete has.

I always think to myself, if DVDs made me happy when I bought them why can't I still enjoy them now?

Solution: I find myself watching DVDs on a 40" screen, sit back 6 feet and they look just fine and I enjoy them.

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I probably have 1/10 of what you have and have the same feeling. As it is I probably watch something from my collection once a month. I usually rent a couple titles each Friday for the weekend. Everything else we watch is stuff we've DVR'd from the week.

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Get them out of storage and buy one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-N...words=dvd+case

And if you decide to toss the cases then great, if not, put them back in storage. You'll at least have all of your discs.

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good idea, but i would need like 4-5 of them...

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So? I have 3 of them. It's a great alternative and you'll still have your collection right there. It's great.

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Is it worth getting a UDH BD player for a 1080p TV/Projector? Would I notice any difference compared to standard BD?

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Nope. If you plan on using the player on that projector only, go with a cheaper standard blu ray player.

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So I picked up Ender's Game. One plus - it has Atmos. And I was wondering about the digital copy and how that's handled. It looks like the digital copy is probably excess sheets they printed for the blu ray release since the expiration date is last May. I found that dumb, but not unexpected. So basically this means (at least for now) all digital copies on 4k releases will only give us 1080p.

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Heh. 4k bluray already cracked?

http://club.myce.com/f94/martian-fir...lready-340781/

If this is indeed true and not a fake/forgery, then I wonder how soon 4K UHD bluray will be using aacs2.0 advanced mode exclusively.

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Like I said, months, if not less that it was going to be cracked. Yeah, as much complaining about the restrictions of aacs2.0, it won't be used. Not on any large scale basis.

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An "analog" rip would be easy to achieve with currently available tools. They didn't release the original video file except in a different codec, which makes me seriously question they "digitally" cracked UHD's encryption. This is mostly some random hacking group wanting some attention.

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I already have 5 of these plus ones that hold from 36-200 dvds. Plus a huge box & I mean huge box that hold my Korean drama collection before I could download them in 720/1080p. I wonder if they air K-Dramas in 4K.

Had a friend who wanted one dvd from a 2004 drama he said he ripped from me but the file was bad. His father just started watching the drama. I told him his father should started watching in back in 2004 since I'm not at this time go looking for that drama in that huge box.

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If a title made it to 1080p BD, does that mean it can make it to 4K for sure? As opposed to some titles that are on DVD but couldn't be put on BD.

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What kind of issue are you talking about? Can you give an example of a title that couldn't be put on BD?

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There are cases where labels didn't think the source material was high enough quality, so they'd opt for DVD only instead.

The questions are basically the same as it was from DVD->Blu-ray.

1) Does the label still have the rights to this movie?
2) Are there expectations that this title will sell well?
3) Is there a quality 4K master? If not, does it make sense to go the time/expense to remaster the film again (or even just upscale from 2K and give it an HDR pass)? 4K masters are far, far, far less standard than you'd think.

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It's probably not worth putting anything shot on 16mm film and below on 4K. Heck, even some 35mm camera negatives won't always look that much better in 4K.

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Yeah, I think the "DVD->BD no go" was mostly limited to older TV shows, e.g. early seasons of Buffy.

So I'm thinking about Firefly, Star Trek TOS/TNG, Batman Classic Series, Twin Peaks, etc. Those made it to BD... so is it possible for them to be put in 4k?

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Wasn't Texas Chainsaw Massacre a 16mm film that got a 4K scan?

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Likelihood of that scenario: 0

If you keep up with industry figures rather than the baseless "hopes and dreams" of forum members, you will quickly realize that the chance of that happening is quite unlikely. One check of the sales revenue at home media research will show that over 2/3 of the packaged media sold continues to be DVD. And furthermore, packaged media sales continued their descent in February with DVD sales down nearly 25% while the withering sales for Blu-ray were off sharply over last year at nearly 38%. So, Blu-ray has always been a niche market and that market is eroding quickly. Why? People have simply amassed tremendous libraries and digital downloading is gaining popularity quickly. The transition is based largely on convenience because unlike the leap from VHS to DVD, the viewing experience is acceptable to most. So what does that mean for UHD? It'll give new meaning to the term "niche market."

Many of us are still waiting for some beloved titles to be released on Blu-ray and many are re-released on DVD without a Blu-ray edition even considered. The studios tried to reinvigorate Blu-ray sales with the introduction of 3D, but it was welcomed with a collective yawn. Personally, I really dig 3D and have amassed a collection well over 100 titles. For me, 3D delivers an obvious benefit if you enjoy the "gimmick." However, I consider it an added feature rather than a new format. Nearly all of my recent 3D titles were purchased used, yes, with slipcovers and in pristine condition. I have quickly rebuilt my collection with titles purchased "used" on line and at local resellers. I find stuff in such remarkable condition that it is becoming obvious that people are rapidly selling off their well maintained collections.

The fact is, most people are moving away from packaged media and most titles will not see much benefit on UHD. So it just doesn't make economic sense for the studios to start pumping out lots of titles. That is why they are abandoning their own catalogs to Criterion, Twilight Time, Olive Films, Kino Lorber, Arrow, Shout! Factory etc, etc.

So any illusions that UHD will supplant Blu-ray or even DVD for that matter are ludicrous. I think your DVD and Blu-ray investments are safe. In other words, I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

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UHD BD is going to have a bigger impact than that.

The reason why Blu-ray didn't overtake DVD is because it was a simple resolution upgrade and most people didn't see a big difference because either their TVs were too small, they were sitting too far away, or both.

UHD BD is a huge upgrade because it adds HDR, WCG and 10 bit pass through. Resolution is the least noticeable visual improvement. Once people starting getting HDR TVs in their homes and see these improvements then they will see it as a much larger upgrade than DVD to Blu-ray was. Furthermore it is not dependent on screen size or viewing distance and that's very important for selling to the masses.

Now whether consumers choose to go digital or disc is another matter, but the upgrade from BD to UHD BD is much larger than what most people here think. You really have to see it to appreciate it though.

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Problem is, most people will either not have a 4k TV with HDR or they simply won't know what it is - or care for that matter. UHD blu will be strictly a home theater enthusiast format. I'll bet you a shitty 4k title most people won't ever know whether their 4k TV has HDR or not. And 4k titles won't be anywhere near the volume a blu and especially DVD. It'll best be utilized on new movies, not catalog titles. Exceptions being classics that have had extensive restoration. I agree you have to see it to appreciate it, but most people will remain quite happy with good ole' 1080p. And 1080p TV's will remain low priced, and people will be happy with that. Spending $400 on a 50" TV is way more attractive than $1500 for a 4k TV with HDR. When those prices drop to 1080p prices, then sales will pick up. Until then, well hopefully the format will have enough traction to have a decently long life.