CBS Prepping More Classic TV For Blu-ray
#76
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Re: CBS Prepping More Classic TV For Blu-ray
Once again, overseas might be coming to the rescue. There's a "best of" release of Rawhide that just came out in Germany. It's only 4 episodes, but maybe if it sells well they'll start doing full season.
#77
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Re: CBS Prepping More Classic TV For Blu-ray
Fox has done it for Buffy (I never would've guessed they'd pony up to redo the effects and recut/scan the series in HD), so it's definitely not out of the realm of possibility for a series as popular as The X-Files. Whether or not we'll see either of 'em on Blu-ray, though...
The DVDs of these shows are of varying picture quality and have some glaring errors and quality control issues (some scenes missing from Buffy and Angel episodes, OMWF being non-anamorphic, that one XF ep that looks like it came from a third generation EP VHS).
I wasn't aware that they were redoing the special effects in Buffy; with all of the dustings and morphs that seems like quite an undertaking. I have been unimpressed with some of the HD Buffy I've seen. Some scenes look too bright, especially ones that are taking place at night (such as the scene in Buffy's bedroom with Angel from the episode "Angel").
#78
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At some point you would have to think that broadcasting of SD content will, for the most part go away, and that only HD channels will be around. At that point consumers would probably balk at SD up-converts. Especially, when the up-converts are from very old video transfers. Granted not all content qualifies for being transferred to HD.
#79
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For example, offhand I can't tell whether the daily NCIS reruns are in legitimate HD resolution or just dumb sd->hd upscales. (I don't have any NCIS dvds for comparison).
#80
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What CBS has done for many of their shows is to re-transfer them from the original film elements to create new masters. If the quality of the most current CBS DVD's were used for syndication that would probably be just fine going forward, since they are that much of an improvement over the old masters. But if one is going to go to all that trouble they might as well just create new HD transfers, and that is what CBS did.
#81
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That's the fault of the series, not the broadcast. For a show as popular and long-running as NCIS, it has seriously terrible production values. It's still shot on 16mm film (allegedly for "consistency" with the early seasons), but even for 16mm it looks awful. Most scenes are shot with gauzy filters on the lenses to distract you from noticing how old the cast is. The show often looks like it's been upconverted from VHS.
#82
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Given the rushed production schedules of most television programs, shooting 16mm invariably leads to poor-looking picture quality.
#83
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For many other tv shows on bluray I've been watching, so far I've found that many of them looked "less noisy" and somewhat "sharper" than the original hd television broadcasts. (Such as Breaking Bad, Person of Interest, Fringe, The Blacklist, Nikita, House MD, The Office, etc ...). Not as big of a difference like H50.
#84
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In general I agree about the current expectations of the average viewer. However, the average TV size at the time most watched these shows was probably between 20" to 25", and now it is between 40+" to 60". The syndicated prints are continuing to age to where they look worse and worse each year. So when combining increased screen size, deteriorating existing prints, and the fact there will be more and more HD content and less and less SD content for comparison, I don't think SD will have much of a market left. Now my perspective is still a few years down the road yet.
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What CBS has done for many of their shows is to re-transfer them from the original film elements to create new masters. If the quality of the most current CBS DVD's were used for syndication that would probably be just fine going forward, since they are that much of an improvement over the old masters. But if one is going to go to all that trouble they might as well just create new HD transfers, and that is what CBS did.
That's the fault of the series, not the broadcast. For a show as popular and long-running as NCIS, it has seriously terrible production values. It's still shot on 16mm film (allegedly for "consistency" with the early seasons), but even for 16mm it looks awful. Most scenes are shot with gauzy filters on the lenses to distract you from noticing how old the cast is. The show often looks like it's been upconverted from VHS.
. I've only ever seen an episode or two, but it looks like the show uses mostly simple sets as a procedural and its directed just functionally.For many other TV shows on Blu-ray, I've been watching, so far I've found that many of them looked "less noisy" and somewhat "sharper" than the original HD television broadcasts. (Such as Breaking Bad, Person of Interest, Fringe, The Blacklist, Nikita, House MD, The Office, etc ...). Not as big of a difference like H50.
#85
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I saw the smiley face regarding the OLED comment, but the truth is LED and LCD are still relatively cheap even in the bigger sizes, so i still think the average consumer will have larger screens going forward (i.e., 50+" screens).
Whether the expense to create HD masters could be considered high for older shows is no longer relevant for CBS since they are probably 90% done with their key classic catalog. This includes titles such as The Fugitive, I Love Lucy, Andy Griffith Show, Rawhide, and Perry Mason to just mention a few from the 50's and 60's that are complete. Gunsmoke and Bonanza are both continuing with scheduled releases for season 12 of Gunsmoke 12/2015, and season 8 of Bonanza in 07/2015. What has been transferred to HD is all contained within the CBS syndication bible. They all appear to have been remastered/cleaned up as well. Obviously the older shows don't have the lower resolution FX to redo like ST:TNG.
CBS didn't go to all this trouble just to downconvert them for DVD releases, so it must be primarily for future HD syndication and streaming, and potential blu-ray releases. CBS has never been the cheapest on the block either with their DVD releases, yet they still release them, many times as volumes with a higher than industry average price. I think they will potentially continue with blu-ray releases at some point.
Whether the expense to create HD masters could be considered high for older shows is no longer relevant for CBS since they are probably 90% done with their key classic catalog. This includes titles such as The Fugitive, I Love Lucy, Andy Griffith Show, Rawhide, and Perry Mason to just mention a few from the 50's and 60's that are complete. Gunsmoke and Bonanza are both continuing with scheduled releases for season 12 of Gunsmoke 12/2015, and season 8 of Bonanza in 07/2015. What has been transferred to HD is all contained within the CBS syndication bible. They all appear to have been remastered/cleaned up as well. Obviously the older shows don't have the lower resolution FX to redo like ST:TNG.
CBS didn't go to all this trouble just to downconvert them for DVD releases, so it must be primarily for future HD syndication and streaming, and potential blu-ray releases. CBS has never been the cheapest on the block either with their DVD releases, yet they still release them, many times as volumes with a higher than industry average price. I think they will potentially continue with blu-ray releases at some point.
#86
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On a tangential topic, wonder if CBS has done any 4K restorations yet. (Such as Sony doing a 4K version of Breaking Bad).
http://www.cnet.com/news/as-promised...nt-on-netflix/
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Re: CBS Prepping More Classic TV For Blu-ray
I would assume they future-proofed their TNG masters given the massive cash outlay.
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