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-   -   James Bond Update (https://forum.dvdtalk.com/hd-talk/587251-james-bond-update.html)

The Cow 10-23-12 06:32 PM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by DEC29111 (Post 11438348)
Any time you offer an item for sale and then claim the item is not in stock (when if fact the item is in stock) is "Bait & Switch" unless the advertising for the item lists (or a correction listed/printed the next business day and also posted in store) the number of items for sale (as Best Buy and Target does on many items).
No, it's not.

adrenaline78 10-23-12 06:33 PM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by scott1598 (Post 11436964)
Is there any news on a re-release of Never Say Never Again, before i buy on evil-Bay?
It will get rereleased at some point. The bond movies always do. It would depend on how bad you want it.

DEC29111 10-23-12 06:44 PM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by Todd B. (Post 11438965)
I'm so grateful that you're fighting for our right to unilaterally remain in a private business establishment under any circumstances.
The trouble is "Best Buy" (Target, Sears, K-Mart, Wal-Mart and other multi-locations stores) are not a 'Private Establishment' they are 'Corporations', your Private Owned Business such as KOCH INC. or your local 'Tavern' & MOM & POP stores are 'Private Establishment' and have a different set of rules they can work under, and use 'Right To Refuse Due to Domain', but 'Corp.' operations must post consumer rights if they plan on refusing service for all to read, I guess maybe your local "Chick-fil-A" were not sued (and lost) due to refusing to serve during a recent protest. Such as many resturants "NO SHIRT, NO PANTS, NO SHOES, NO SERVICE" policy that you see when you walk in their front door.

John Galt 10-23-12 07:16 PM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by DEC29111 (Post 11438275)
My local Best Buy stores have been in front of the "DA" more than twice about advertising product and claiming it not in stock (aka: switch & bait) and lost in every case.
And if you use the "refuse service" policy you had better have you policy posted so that all customers can read on entering the store.
Are you sure you don't mean AG?

E Unit 10-23-12 07:20 PM
Re: James Bond Update
 
CIA. They handle all blu ray conspiracy cases like this.

John Galt 10-23-12 07:31 PM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by DEC29111 (Post 11438980)
The trouble is "Best Buy" (Target, Sears, K-Mart, Wal-Mart and other multi-locations stores) are not a 'Private Establishment' they are 'Corporations', your Private Owned Business such as KOCH INC. or your local 'Tavern' & MOM & POP stores are 'Private Establishment' and have a different set of rules they can work under, and use 'Right To Refuse Due to Domain', but 'Corp.' operations must post consumer rights if they plan on refusing service for all to read, I guess maybe your local "Chick-fil-A" were not sued (and lost) due to refusing to serve during a recent protest. Such as many resturants "NO SHIRT, NO PANTS, NO SHOES, NO SERVICE" policy that you see when you walk in their front door.
Wtf do you you think inc. means?

dvd-4-life 10-23-12 07:33 PM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Is DVD Talk going to do a review on the boxset?

DEC29111 10-23-12 09:59 PM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by John Galt (Post 11439023)
Are you sure you don't mean AG?
Not in my city/county/state, the "District Attorney" files and handles these type of cases first then it goes to the state level if needed for the 'Attorney General' to handle.

DEC29111 10-23-12 10:04 PM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by John Galt (Post 11439033)
Wtf do you you think inc. means?
Inc = Incorporation = You can have a corporation that is privately held where stocks can not be sold without board approval such as the biggest oil company that most of you never heard of "KOCH, INC."

TomOpus 10-23-12 10:43 PM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by DEC29111 (Post 11437885)
Comment: More than once of late when I have arrived at a local Best Buy they have not had "sales" item on the floor for sale and only when I use a showroom computer are they able to find stock in the back stock room, I advised the floor manager next time I would contact the local 'DA' about switch and bait sales.
Bait and switch tactics involve not having the sales item instock and trying to get a customer to "switch" to a more expensive alternative. I didn't see the "switch" part of that.

DEC29111 10-23-12 10:49 PM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by TomOpus (Post 11439219)
Bait and switch tactics involve not having the sales item instock and trying to get a customer to "switch" to a more expensive alternative. I didn't see the "switch" part of that.
I guess you missed the posting where the shelf was marked "Sold Out" and I was pointed to the "Bond 50" box set to purchase the movie.

adrenaline78 10-24-12 08:46 AM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by DEC29111 (Post 11438547)

Also the store I was at even had a "sold out" sign on the rack where the disc's should of been stocked, yet their own online inventory stated over twenty were in stock.

Inventory in the system and actual inventory aren't the same thing. They could have just received a trailer and not had a chance to put things out, or something was mismarked when it was coming from their DC... happens all the time.

Actual inventory could be totally different than what it says in their system.

John Galt 10-24-12 08:59 AM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by DEC29111 (Post 11439173)
Inc = Incorporation = You can have a corporation that is privately held where stocks can not be sold without board approval such as the biggest oil company that most of you never heard of "KOCH, INC."
You had just said corporations are not private establishments, then you go and list a corporation as your very first example of a company that is a private establishment.

Nevertheless, Best Buy stores are private property. They can refuse service to anyone. They don't have to have any signs up; if they tell you to leave, you have to leave. Otherwise it's trespassing. It's no different than if someone was sitting in your yard and you told them to get off your property.

bunkaroo 10-24-12 09:11 AM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by adrenaline78 (Post 11439564)
Inventory in the system and actual inventory aren't the same thing. They could have just received a trailer and not had a chance to put things out, or something was mismarked when it was coming from their DC... happens all the time.

Actual inventory could be totally different than what it says in their system.
That's a poorly managed inventory system then. The whole point of an good inventory system these days is to be as accurate as possible to what is on hand in the store. Otherwise why even count? And for that matter, if the numbers are that far off, how do you prove real shrink vs. bad inventory numbers?

I did testing and support for retail systems for a long time, and at my place nothing showed on hand locally in the store until someone in the store marked the items as received in the system. If this store is doing that before actually checking what was received, that's on them.

Now I understand there might be some time between it being received in the system and it making it out on the floor, but that shouldn't be that long. However, receiving items in the system that are still locked in the trailer or aren't physically in the store, well that's pretty stupid.

adrenaline78 10-24-12 09:52 AM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by bunkaroo (Post 11439600)
That's a poorly managed inventory system then. The whole point of an good inventory system these days is to be as accurate as possible to what is on hand in the store. Otherwise why even count? And for that matter, if the numbers are that far off, how do you prove real shrink vs. bad inventory numbers?

I did testing and support for retail systems for a long time, and at my place nothing showed on hand locally in the store until someone in the store marked the items as received in the system. If this store is doing that before actually checking what was received, that's on them.

Now I understand there might be some time between it being received in the system and it making it out on the floor, but that shouldn't be that long. However, receiving items in the system that are still locked in the trailer or aren't physically in the store, well that's pretty stupid.

Not necessarily. If a thousand items go into the store and even at 99% accuracy that is ten items still wrong. And I am pretty sure 99% is pretty dang good. But sorting errors, mislabels happen and should be corrected as they find it.

Chances are they had the item somewhere in the building, but sometimes you never know. I doubt theft would impact those #'s on that drastic of a scale.

Sometimes its just bad communication between the employees. One guy could have put the sign up, and another is in no hurry to put out the stock.

Josh Z 10-24-12 10:45 AM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by bunkaroo (Post 11439600)
That's a poorly managed inventory system then. The whole point of an good inventory system these days is to be as accurate as possible to what is on hand in the store. Otherwise why even count? And for that matter, if the numbers are that far off, how do you prove real shrink vs. bad inventory numbers?

I did testing and support for retail systems for a long time, and at my place nothing showed on hand locally in the store until someone in the store marked the items as received in the system. If this store is doing that before actually checking what was received, that's on them.

Now I understand there might be some time between it being received in the system and it making it out on the floor, but that shouldn't be that long. However, receiving items in the system that are still locked in the trailer or aren't physically in the store, well that's pretty stupid.
Have you not been to a Best Buy lately? Their stores, and the whole company really, are horribly mismanaged.

bunkaroo 10-24-12 10:54 AM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by adrenaline78 (Post 11439654)
Not necessarily. If a thousand items go into the store and even at 99% accuracy that is ten items still wrong. And I am pretty sure 99% is pretty dang good. But sorting errors, mislabels happen and should be corrected as they find it.

Chances are they had the item somewhere in the building, but sometimes you never know. I doubt theft would impact those #'s on that drastic of a scale.

Sometimes its just bad communication between the employees. One guy could have put the sign up, and another is in no hurry to put out the stock.
Well when we're talking about media, you'll never be looking at a thousand of one item unless it's the biggest title ever at a huge store. If it's a title they'll never keep more than 5 copies on hand at any given time, even being off by one is enough to screw up the re-ordering calculations. If they think they have 5 and only have 4, that's 80% accuracy. Not too good.

As I said, if the stuff is already in the building, I don't have a problem with it being listed as in stock. Whether or not the employees can manage to find it and shelve it is a local management issue.

My point is if a store had a procedure that is making it common to have inventory counts in the system be off from what is physically there, that is indeed a poor management of inventory counts.

kefrank 10-24-12 11:00 AM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by DEC29111 (Post 11439224)
I guess you missed the posting where the shelf was marked "Sold Out" and I was pointed to the "Bond 50" box set to purchase the movie.
In fairness to him, the post where you talk about contacting the DA about bait & switch does not include that information.

TomOpus 10-24-12 11:26 AM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by DEC29111 (Post 11439224)
I guess you missed the posting where the shelf was marked "Sold Out" and I was pointed to the "Bond 50" box set to purchase the movie.
I do not see a post where they pointed you to the boxset. You only mentioned they had copies of it out on the shelf.

PopcornTreeCt 10-24-12 07:24 PM
Re: James Bond Update
 
I got them all!

http://i.imgur.com/H6TnX.png

OldBoy 10-24-12 09:26 PM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Couldn't they at least have the lettering the same? Boy, NSNA really is the black sheep.

fumanstan 10-24-12 10:02 PM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt (Post 11440594)
Did you just end up finding a Target with them?

TheMovieman 10-24-12 10:06 PM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt (Post 11440594)
Same here. I do wish the exclusives had slip covers to match the others, but only a minor issue for me.

PopcornTreeCt 10-24-12 10:41 PM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 11440814)
Did you just end up finding a Target with them?
Yeah, the one Target that had shelf space for them got them back in stock. No need to panic.

Brooklyn 10-25-12 02:55 AM
Re: James Bond Update
 
Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt (Post 11440594)
I got them all!
Same here.
After calling maybe 10 Walmarts and a 68 mile round trip, I finally found one that stocked Octopussy. The other 9 or so had Diamonds and Goldeneye, but no Octopussy. And it wasn't just that they were sold out, they didn't carry it. What is up with that? You have three exclusives and you decide a majority of your stores will only carry 2 of them (and the 2 newest Bond films)?
F'n stupid.


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