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Superdaddy 06-17-11 12:34 PM

Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
 

Originally Posted by Anubis2005X (Post 10820828)
Personally, as a whole, I think the new transfer looks fantastic. The color looks just a tad wonky in a couple of the shots, but overall I think it looks great. I'm surprised by how bright and washed out the old transfer looks to me now. Guess we'll see once I see the actual disc for myself...

EDIT: Maybe it's just personal preference, but I think the EE version looks much improved in this shot. http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/59855

No question, this is a huge step up from the theatrical disc in terms of detail. Jaw-dropping in that regard.

Jason 06-17-11 04:44 PM

Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
 

Originally Posted by MrStayPuft (Post 10819614)
For those that havn't seen them yet, here are some examples from AVS forum. I think I read that the issue is only on Fellowship as well.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/59846

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/59855

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/59621

Credit goes to Litlgi74 over at avsforum for posting

Those are horrendous. The Saurman shot looks like something out of Twilight, and the other two look like a breakout cable with a bad connection.

Something somewhere has got to be wrong. This can't be what they intended.

Mr. Cinema 06-17-11 06:02 PM

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This was posted by Bill Hunt on HTF:

"Just read the Blu-ray.com review and I think he's done a good job addressing all the issues, including the color controversy. One thing I can add is that I now know that cinematographer reviewed and approved check discs for the set - not just the initial masters. So everything I've seen and heard continues to lead me to believe that the color timing of the new discs is exactly how the filmmakers wanted it. Once the authoring/mastering process has reached the stage of approved check discs, there's much less that can go wrong that would alter the picture prior to replication of final discs."

tylergfoster 06-17-11 06:31 PM

Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
 

Originally Posted by Jason (Post 10821292)
Those are horrendous. The Saurman shot looks like something out of Twilight, and the other two look like a breakout cable with a bad connection.

Something somewhere has got to be wrong. This can't be what they intended.

Don't forget that the Sauruman shot is "reversed" in that is the one of those captures where the "mouse off" is the Blu. I think the Blu shot looks great in comparison to the DVD in that case.

Artman 06-17-11 09:51 PM

Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
 

Originally Posted by droidguy1119 (Post 10821424)
Don't forget that the Sauruman shot is "reversed" in that is the one of those captures where the "mouse off" is the Blu. I think the Blu shot looks great in comparison to the DVD in that case.

Eh, the contrast seems to have been pumped up too high. The scaling back of the blue and gold palettes from FOTR I don't mind, I felt they were a tad too strong to begin with. Still, I can't wrap my head around the exterior Shire and mountain pass shots... those are some of my favorite scenes.

Edit: Just saw this set of screenshots, they all look good to me. No problems with any of it.
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Lo...9/#Screenshots

DVD Polizei 06-18-11 03:33 AM

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^^^Have to agree. Those shots look fantastic. I observe multiple colors in the FOTR screenshots, which reflects what was intended all along (the colors reflect the mood of the corresponding scene). In the DVD versions, the colors were difficult to "punch" on the screen as their wasn't enough definition to do it well and we saw a dark representation one minute and a more lit scene the next (where the colors were muted because of the DVD).

Those screenshots make me want to order it right now. Yeah, I know. What am I waiting for. :)

Josh-da-man 06-18-11 04:47 AM

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Side-by-side comparison: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwcm-73kZE8

Good God!

Superdaddy 06-18-11 07:19 AM

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Blu-ray.com has screen captures of all three installments. Only Fellowship appears to look markedly different color-wise from the theatrical BD. Of course, it also has less noise reduction too.

K&AJones 06-18-11 09:05 AM

Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
 

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 10821761)
Side-by-side comparison: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwcm-73kZE8

Good God!


I just popped my "DVD" version of the movie in to compare and it's right along with the "Theatrical Version". That Extended one is just pathethic and whoever signed off on releasing that shouldn't be allow to touch another BR for life. And frankly the upscaling of the DVD looks just fine plus I have the LOTR:Return of the King Box Extended set that's fantastic.


TV - Sony KDL-52" Z5100 calibrated
BR player - Sony BDP-S360

daniel18 06-18-11 10:53 AM

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I'm fine with my DVDs. I wouldn't buy them even without the color issues on my favorite one of the trilogy since there's no new special features and you still have to switch discs. Hell fuck no.

Jason 06-18-11 11:27 AM

Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
 

Originally Posted by droidguy1119 (Post 10821424)
Don't forget that the Sauruman shot is "reversed" in that is the one of those captures where the "mouse off" is the Blu. I think the Blu shot looks great in comparison to the DVD in that case.

Okay, I'll give you that one. The theatrical cut looks like Twilight. I don't remember the DVD being that blue, but I'd have to dig it out and check it.

Doesn't help the other two much though.

Jason 06-18-11 11:35 AM

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Wow, the bar has been raised quite a bit. George Lucas will have to work extra hard to fuck Star Wars up this bad

FOTR BD sample

At least ROTK looks great.

ROTK BD sample

DVD Polizei 06-18-11 11:46 AM

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If this is an effort to make Amazon sell the set for $30 on release day...I'm in. :up:

PopcornTreeCt 06-18-11 12:56 PM

Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
 
:lol: this release looks fine.

JayDerek 06-18-11 01:32 PM

Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
 

Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt (Post 10822054)
:lol: this release looks fine.

Agreed.

Although "Peter Jackson raped my early thirties" has a nice ring to it.

slop101 06-18-11 01:39 PM

Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
 

Originally Posted by Jason (Post 10821974)
Wow, the bar has been raised quite a bit. George Lucas will have to work extra hard to fuck Star Wars up this bad

FOTR BD sample

:hscratch:

I don't get it. Am I missing something here?

FinkPish 06-18-11 01:54 PM

Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
 

Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 10822096)
:hscratch:

I don't get it. Am I missing something here?

I don't get it either. Your eyes are going to adjust very quickly to the new color scheme, so unless you are literally watching them side-by-side with the old releases, you won't know the difference after the first few seconds. Nothing in the videos is outrageous to my eyes.

I have a feeling these tweaks were probably done to match what is being done on The Hobbit, so everything has a unified look, similar to what was done with The Matrix once the sequels came out.

tylergfoster 06-18-11 09:10 PM

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I get that they may have wanted to pull out the green, but what bugs me is the way it appears to have been flatly filtered over the entire image without any nuance or finesse. That said, at least one of the YouTube clips I saw of it had the contrast cranked way up and blacks were ridiculously thick, which is not the case in the side-by-side comparison clip.

RocShemp 06-19-11 02:30 AM

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I actually like the changed colour timing. Especially those forest shots since Jackson had mentioned they weren't exactly how he wanted them. I forget if it's in the EE docs or one of the TE mini docs but he had mentioned that they had to expose the negative in a way that resulted in a somewhat washed out image because shooting in a forest creates too harsh a contrast. It seems he tweaked things to be more in line with how he wanted but couldn't quite shoot it that way.

But looking at all the very meticulous work they originally put into the original colour timing, I can understand the confusion regarding the drastic changes:

<object width="640" height="390"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/eDMuaKLbyaY&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&version=3"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/eDMuaKLbyaY&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></embed></object>

However, I actualy find myself disliking the colour timing in both releases regarding this scene:

http://www.thephotobooth.net/photos/.../i-2KhkmLK.gif

Artman 06-19-11 12:19 PM

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Those screenshot comparison shots don't seem to line up with what's on blu-ray.com. Granted, that particular one isn't there, but the mountaintop shot doesn't look nearly as bad. I'm just not trusting any of these at the moment.


Originally Posted by Jason (Post 10821974)

Compare that close up shot of gandalf to the same screenshot at bluray.com The video's saturation has been boosted a bit.

RocShemp 06-20-11 01:39 PM

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94 out of 100 for the whole set over at AVS.

However, FOTR got an 84 out of 100 for video:

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by Ralph Potts (Post 20593579)
<h2><b>Fellowship of the Ring:</b></h2></font>

<font color=teal><b><h4>Video: 84</h4></b></font>
<b>(Each rating is worth 4 points with a max of 5 per category)</b>

<b><ul>
<li>Resolution/Clarity: <img src="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=109947&d=1210373692"></li>
<li>Black level/Shadow detail: <img src="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=109946&d=1210373692"></li>
<li>Color reproduction: <img src="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=109945&d=1210373692"></li>
<li>Fleshtones: <img src="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=109947&d=1210373692"></li>
<li>Compression: <img src="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=109947&d=1210373692"</b></li></ul><p><b><I>Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring</I> comes to Blu-ray Disc from Warner featuring 1080p AVC encoded video that has an average bitrate of 30 Mbps and lossless DTS-HD 6.1 Master Audio sound that has an average bitrate of 4.2 Mbps.</b></p><p>Last year’s Blu-ray release of Fellowship of the Ring created quite a stir within the internet community as there were some problematic issues with the quality of its high definition rendering. When it was announced that the release of the Extended Edition was going to contain a new transfer re-mastered from the original 2K digital files everyone breathed a sigh of relief and looked forward to the results. Word was also received that director Peter Jackson and director of photography Andrew Lesnie oversaw the retiming of the film’s color as well although the reasoning for this hadn’t been made clear. It didn’t take long for samples/clips/captures to begin appearing on the internet. Outraged fans/enthusiasts began to complain about the changes in the color and what appeared to be the inordinate application of cyan/green which now had been added where it hadn’t previously been and enhanced to a deleterious point otherwise. There were also complaints about problematic changes to the contrast. Upon receiving the set I examined several sequences that seemed to focus on the complaints. The overall changes in color are readily apparent. Across the board chromatic emphasis is deeper which I personally don’t see as a problem. As it was the film relied heavily on deep greens and bluish hues during certain segments. This newly revised presentation overemphasizes some of those segments and imparts what I would call an unnatural level of cyan/green. Furthermore it has been added to segments where it didn’t originally exist. Comparing this presentation to the Extended Edition DVDs confirms this. I don’t have a problem with the stylized use of mood setting color and in fact this very method (image permeating cyan) is used in The Two Towers (examples can be found in the extended edition DVD/Blu-ray at the beginning of chapters 17, 33, 38). The issue here is the inconsistency of its application and use where it doesn’t seem “logical”. The best example of this comes at the 7:21.00 mark where the scene shifts to the Fellowship as they begin their ascent up the snow covered mountain.</p><p>On a whole the film appears a bit darker which negatively impacts the perception of shadow detail during some sequences. Conversely there are many instances where the balance between white and black levels is right on the money which gives the video a pleasingly rich quality. The sequence where the four hobbits hide in the root of the tree, as the dark rider hovers directly above, is a good example. The blend of vivid color, deep black and dynamic contrast coupled with the high level of detail looks incredible. I found the changes in contrast to be noticeable but far from egregious. The same is true of the basic changes in chromatic emphasis/depth. The overdriven cyan/green additions/changes are another matter. The sequences affected are apparent and can be distracting especially when viewing with a critical eye. If what appears herein is the intention of Peter Jackson and Andrew Lesnie so be it. As a fan I would have to say that I disagree with them but keeping it in perspective can put it aside knowing that what we see here is in fact what was intended. If that is not the case then that is another matter. I will update this review should any further information come to light in that regard. </p><p>Putting those issues aside I found much to like about this presentation. Unlike the previous Blu-ray release fidelity appears intact as the video delivers rewarding levels of detail that enhances the perception of minutia within the physical features and structural make-up of people and objects onscreen. As previously indicated blacks are deep with mildly compromised delineation that lessens dimension but not overtly so. Colors range from lush and vibrant to sepia toned and earthy to bleakly monochromatic. Sequences that feature prolonged use of uneven light and shading are visually enhanced via warm accents and multi-staged grays. Like the color palette fleshtones shift accordingly to coincide with the mood, lighting and scenic theme. The overall result works perfectly within the film’s narrative construct. Grain is intact and gives this presentation a film like aesthetic that looks terrific in high definition. I saw no signs of unwanted digital manipulation, image degrading artifacts or distracting video noise. </p><p>As I alluded to earlier I think it is important to keep this presentation in perspective from an overall point of view. While there are aspects of it that are in question I didn’t find that they adversely affected it as a whole. It is true that I am not crazy about some of the revisions (assuming they are what was intended) but at the end of the day The Fellowship of the ring EE looks head and shoulders above the problematic theatrical cut Blu-ray release.</p>


RocShemp 06-20-11 06:39 PM

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More comparison screens keep popping up.


Originally Posted by MEB (Post 4865800)
I know you didn't direct your question at me, but I'll answer it.

All I care about is that the light green tint that I'm seeing (in video clips and screen shots taken directly from the EE Blu-rays) looks completely unnatural. It looks like crap. The second image below looks HORRIBLE.

Theatrical Blu-ray:
http://www.thephotobooth.net/photos/...LjnGQPm-XL.jpg

Extended Blu-ray:
http://www.thephotobooth.net/photos/...QbhMqnx-XL.jpg

Source: http://blubrew.com/2011/06/16/the-fe...ended-edition/

If that unnatural green tint was removed from the movie and all other color timing/color grading changes were made so that the movie appears to follow the laws of nature, I'd be a happy camper.

And, yeah yeah... I realize it is Middle Earth and it's all a bunch of science fiction anyway. But the movie hasn't had this green tint for 10 years and I don't see how ANYONE could have thought it was a good idea to apply it now.

Mark


Josh-da-man 06-20-11 07:28 PM

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^Those Hobbits look like they're in the matrix.

Ghostbuster 06-20-11 07:39 PM

Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition out in 2011
 
I had been looking forward to this release, but I am going to have to pass. I hope this issue will be corrected in the future, perhaps when The Hobbit is released on BD. (As everyone knows, the studios tend to re-release older films when a new film in the series arrives on home video for the first time.)

matrixrok9 06-20-11 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 10824836)
^Those Hobbits look like they're in the matrix.

I got my copy on Friday and watched FOTR. Once you watch the movie as a whole, the green tint isn't as distracting as the screen caps. Sure, there's a green tint but it didn't look that bad on my tv where it looks like they're in the Matrix.

I think the screencaps make it look worse than really is because it's just one single frame/pic.


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