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milo bloom 12-14-10 10:59 AM
Re: A.I. Artificial Intelligence - 2/15/11
 
Originally Posted by Numanoid (Post 10532851)
If Spielberg hadn't
Spoiler:
made the advanced Mecha look like aliens from his own previous movies,
the ending would have been a lot less confusing and better well-received, I'm sure. Just a bad design decision.
That's long been my opinion too. Perhaps something closer to
Spoiler:
Michael Bay's concept for the Transformers. Mind you, I hate the design as Transformers, but as organically melded with real world objects robots, the design works and might have been a better fit for the ending of AI.

tylergfoster 12-14-10 05:21 PM
Re: A.I. Artificial Intelligence - 2/15/11
 
Eh. It's fucked up, but not as bad as Minority Report.

All of the cover-fucking-up has been Paramount/DreamWorks, so expect Jaws' art to look the same as it has on other home video releases.

TomOpus 12-14-10 07:32 PM
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Not real thrilled with the cover but it could've been worse. Still gonna buy the damn thing :)

GenPion 12-14-10 07:48 PM
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The cover art for this isn't perfect; though I still kind of like it. I'm just glad it's not 'Minority Report' bad. I think we should (hopefully) all agree on that.

I never do custom covers, but for Minority Report I have often wondered if I should...

Geofferson 12-14-10 11:15 PM
Re: A.I. Artificial Intelligence - 2/15/11
 
Terrible cover art, but love the movie. I'll be picking this up :up:

a/v Junkie 12-15-10 01:44 PM
Re: A.I. Artificial Intelligence - 2/15/11
 
I wonder if the slipcover will be lenticular.

I can't wait to pick this up and finally upgrade to HD.

Kory 12-17-10 12:09 PM
Re: A.I. Artificial Intelligence - 2/15/11
 
Paramount has surpassed Fox as the worst studio releasing movies.

doctorthodt 12-17-10 12:53 PM
Re: A.I. Artificial Intelligence - 2/15/11
 
Originally Posted by Kory (Post 10548771)
Paramount has surpassed Fox as the worst studio releasing movies.
Universal would like a word with you.

Matthew Chmiel 12-17-10 01:08 PM
Re: A.I. Artificial Intelligence - 2/15/11
 
Originally Posted by Kory (Post 10548771)
Paramount has surpassed Fox as the worst studio releasing movies.
Is that a joke?

Such Blu-ray discs of mine like (the following below) would like to have a word with you:

Anchorman
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Minority Report
Saving Private Ryan (post-audio fuck up)
South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut
Star Trek
War of the Worlds

Josh Z 12-20-10 01:42 PM
Re: A.I. Artificial Intelligence - 2/15/11
 
Originally Posted by doctorthodt (Post 10530553)
If you're all for subtext then I'm not sure why you'd disregard the blatant subtext of alienation in a movie about, you know, aliens, but suit yourself :shrug:
Here's the thing. You're arguing about the subtext, nuance, and ambiguity in a movie by Steven Spielberg, whose filmmaking simply does not trade in such things. Spielberg is a straight-up literalist in every respect. What you see in a Spielberg movie is what you get. He hates ambiguity and often goes to extreme lengths to purge it from his movies. If there's any subtext in his film, he will have a character step out in front of the camera to explain it to you in explicit detail so that you can't possibly miss it.

This ties right into the ending of A.I. Although the basic concept of shifting the narrative centuries forward and introducing an advanced race of machines may have been Kubrick's, I guarantee you that Kubrick would never have had a friendly "Explainer" character pop in to deliver a bunch of pseudoscience gobbledygook about the "space-time continuum," and walk the main character (and hence the audience) through everything that has happened. That's pure Spielberg pap.

I picture Kubrick's ending as more like the final scene in 2001, surreal and open to interpretation. Unfortunately, Spielberg absolutely could not allow his movie to end that way. By god, he needs people to know exactly what's happening at every moment.

musick 12-22-10 12:42 AM
Re: A.I. Artificial Intelligence - 2/15/11
 
^ lol

I'm no Spielberg fan, however .....

you obviously have forgotten the many SK pictures which incorporate naration as part of the advancement of the story (ACO, BL, FMJ, The Killing)

I have no issue with the Kingsley narration ... I would have had issue had it been Jiminy Cricket
... the voiceover is perfectly fitting for what amounts to be a "fairy tale"
Williams' Dr. Know is much more distracting to me

and as a side note, Kubrick's treatment ends with Monica waltzing around the room with David ... be careful what you wish for

Josh Z 12-22-10 12:53 PM
Re: A.I. Artificial Intelligence - 2/15/11
 
Originally Posted by musick (Post 10555950)
you obviously have forgotten the many SK pictures which incorporate naration as part of the advancement of the story (ACO, BL, FMJ, The Killing)
In none of those movies is the narration used to explain away ambiguities in the story.

musick 12-22-10 02:54 PM
Re: A.I. Artificial Intelligence - 2/15/11
 
reads a lot better to me with the Narrator/Specialist vs trying to be ambiguous for amibguity sake



DAVID
Blue Fairy? Please...please, please make me into a real live
boy. Please...Blue Fairy? Please...please...make me real.
Blue Fairy? Please, please make me real. Please make me a
real boy. Please, Blue Fairy, make me into a real boy.
Please...

Spoiler:
NARRATOR
And David continued to pray to the Blue Fairy there before
him, she who smiled softly, forever...she who welcomed
forever. Eventually the floodlights dimmed and died, but
David could still see her palely by day, and he still
addressed her, in hope. He prayed until all the sea anemones
had shriveled and died. He prayed as the ocean froze and the
ice encased the caged amphibicopter, and the Blue Fairy too,
locking them together where he could still make her out - a
blue ghost in ice - always there, always smiling, always
awaiting him. Eventually he never moved at all, but his eyes
always stayed open, staring ahead forever all through the
darkness of each night, and the next day...and the next
day...

Thus, 2000 years passed by.


Part Three

THE ICE DIG

Spoiler:
SPECIALIST (subtitled)
These machines were trapped under the wreckage before the
freezing. Therefore, these robots are originals. They knew
living people.


KITCHEN-SWINTON HOME

DAVID
Teddy, we’re home. Mommy?! Mommy?! We’re home! Where are
you?!

DISEMBODIED VOICE (BLUE FAIRY)
David…Daaaaaaaaavid…David…Daaaaaaaaaavid…


MARTIN'S BEDROOM-*EMPTY

BLUE FAIRY
You have been searching for me, haven't you David?

DAVID
For...my whole life.

BLUE FAIRY
And what after all this time have you come to ask me?

DAVID
I had a wish to make.

BLUE FAIRY
And what is your wish?

DAVID
Please make me a real boy so my Mommy will love me, and let
me stay with her.

BLUE FAIRY
David, I will do anything that is possible, but I cannot
make you a real boy.

DAVID
Where am I? This looks like my house, but it is different.

BLUE FAIRY
Yes, it is different, but it's also your home. We read your
mind, and it's all here. There's nothing too small that you
didn't store for us to remember. We so want you to be happy.
You are so important to us David, you are unique in all the
world.

DAVID
Will Mommy be coming home soon? Is she out shopping with
Martin now?

BLUE FAIRY
David, she can never come home, because two-thousand years
have passed, and she is no longer living. Dearest David,
when you are lonely, we can bring back other people from
your time in the past.

DAVID
If you can bring back other people, why can’t you bring back
HER?

BLUE FAIRY
Because we can only bring back people whose bodies we dig up
from the ice. We need some physical sample of the person,
like a bone, or a fingernail.

TEDDY
David.

DAVID
Yes Teddy.

TEDDY
Do you remember when you cut some of Mommy’s hair?

DAVID
Henry shook me.

TEDDY
And you dropped her hair?

DAVID
I know.

Now you can bring her back, can’t you?


Spoiler:
SPECIALIST OBSERVATION ROOM

SPECIALIST (NARRATOR)
Give him what he wants.

MARTIN'S BEDROOM

BLUE FAIRY
Dearest David, your wish is my command.


DAVID'S BEDROOM

DAVID
Hey Joe what do you know?

Spoiler:
SPECIALIST (NARRATOR)
David, I often felt a sort of envy of human beings and that
thing they call 'spirit'. Human beings had created a million
explanations of the meaning of life in art, in poetry, in
mathematical formulas. Certainly, human beings must be the
key to the meaning of existence, but human beings no longer
existed.

So, we began a project that would make it possible to
recreate the living body of a person long dead from the DNA
in a fragment of bone or mummified skin. We also wondered,
would it be possible to retrieve a memory trace in resonance
with a recreated body. And do you know what we found? We
found... the very fabric of space-time itself appeared to
store information about every event which had ever occured
in the past.

But the experiment... was a failure. For those who were
resurrected only lived through a single day of renewed life.
When the resurrectees fell asleep on the night of their
first new day, they died, again. As soon as they became
unconscious, their very existence faded away into darkness.
So you see, David, the equations have shown that once an
individual space-time pathway had been used, it could not be
reused. If we bring your mother back now, it will only be
for one day, and then you'll never be able to see her again.

DAVID
Maybe…maybe she will be special, maybe she will stay.

Spoiler:
SPECIALIST (NARRATOR)
I thought this might be hard for you to understand. You were
created to be so young.

DAVID
Maybe the one day will be like that one day inside the
amphibicopter, maybe it will last forever.

Spoiler:
SPECIALIST (NARRATOR)
David, you are the enduring memory of the human race, the
most lasting proof of their genius. We only want for your
happiness. David, you've had so little of that.

DAVID
If you want for my happiness, then you know what you have to
do.

Spoiler:
SPECIALIST (NARRATOR)
Listen. Can you hear that? The new morning has come. Go to
her David, she's just waking up this instant.


MASTER BEDROOM

DAVID
I found you.

MONICA
Hi.

DAVID
Hi.

MONICA
I must’ve dozed off. How long have I-

DAVID
Would you like some coffee? Just the way you like it?

MONICA
Yeah, I’d love a coffee. It'll wake me up.

DAVID
Okay.

MONICA
You never forget how, do you?

DAVID
No. I never forget.

MONICA
I must be a little confused. What day is it?

DAVID
It is…today!


MASTER BATHROOM

Spoiler:
NARRATOR
And as the day wore on, David thought it was the happiest
day of his life. All the problems seemed to have disappeared
from his mommy's mind. There was no Henry, there was no
Martin, there was no grief, there was only David.

DAVID & MONICA
(Laughter)


KITCHEN

Spoiler:
NARRATOR

David had been warned not to explain anything to Monica,
otherwise she would become frightened, and everything would
be spoiled. But David's journey home belonged only to him,
so he didn't see the harm of painting her pictures of things
she would have no memory of.


HALLWAY/CLOSET

DAVID & MONICA -(hide & seek w/Teddy)
Aaaahhhhhh!


KITCHEN

Spoiler:
NARRATOR
David had never had a birthday party, because David had
never been born. So they baked a cake, and lit some candles.

MONICA
Now make a wish.

DAVID
It came true already.

Spoiler:
NARRATOR
By now indeed the windows were beginning to dim. David drew
the shades without even needing to be asked.


MASTER BEDROOM

MONICA
I really ought to be tucking you in. Strange. Hmm...How
fascinating. I can hardly keep my eyes open. I don't know
what's come over me. Such a beautiful day. I love you David.
I do love you. I have always loved you.

Spoiler:
NARRATOR
That was the everlasting moment he had been waiting for. And
the moment had passed, for Monica was sound asleep - more
than merely asleep. Should he shake her she would never
rouse. So David went to sleep too. And for the first time in
his life, he went to that place where dreams are born.

Josh Z 12-23-10 06:26 PM
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Honestly, just re-reading all that expositional gibberish about "retriev[ing] a memory trace in resonance with a recreated body" and "the very fabric of space-time itself" makes me want to punch Steven Spielberg in the face. Hard.

That's worse pseudoscience BS than the very worst episode of Star Trek. Your average SyFy movie has better writing.

whotony 01-06-11 04:47 PM
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Amazon just told me this is pushed to April.

Mr. Cinema 01-06-11 07:09 PM
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Yeah, the new date is April 12.

Gizmo 01-06-11 07:14 PM
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Maybe to tie-in with Spielbergs Indy Trilogy? That would be nice if it happened.

WMAangel 01-06-11 10:37 PM
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Damn you Paramount! I was really looking forward to re-watching this one in HD next month....:mad:

Swiski 01-08-11 03:58 PM
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Is there a specific reason for the delay? This Blu Ray is out already in other countries.

musick 03-28-11 11:31 PM
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blu-ray.com review
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/AI-Art...y/8686/#Review

Mr. Cinema 03-29-11 08:46 AM
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This actually comes out next week. I completely forgot.

Swiski 03-31-11 03:51 PM
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April is going to rock for Blu Rays! I'm actually excited about this release as much as the Tron movies and The Incredibles. It doesn't look there is any brand new material on the BR, though.

rennervision 04-01-11 05:12 PM
Re: A.I. Artificial Intelligence - 2/15/11
 
I agree the design-choice for the robots at the end hurt the movie, because when I initially saw it my first reaction was, "Huh? Aliens?"

And I also hate all the exposition in the final scene, because it's just so awkward-sounding. I don't even understand the reasoning for inserting that dialogue. I know others have stated it's because Spielberg has to hold your hand and walk you through his movies, but that last line from the narrator is not entirely explicit. So if the ending is still meant to generate discussion as to what happened, what was the deal with all the clunky exposition preceding it?

It only made things more confusing, and ground the movie to a screeching halt. I honestly can't think of a better example where an ending ruined a film.

PerryD 04-01-11 06:08 PM
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$9.99 in todays Frys ad

musick 04-01-11 06:23 PM
Re: A.I. Artificial Intelligence - 2/15/11
 
Originally Posted by PerryD (Post 10706136)
$9.99 in todays Frys ad

I guess I'll wait till it goes down lower from the zon
submitted a "found a lower price" on their product page ... hopefully they will match

CRM114 04-04-11 09:24 AM
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It's $16.96 on Frys.com. I'm not sure what Frys even is but it looks like either their ad or website is wrong so I doubt Amazon will match.

Gizmo 04-04-11 09:26 AM
Re: A.I. Artificial Intelligence - 2/15/11
 
Originally Posted by PerryD (Post 10706136)
$9.99 in todays Frys ad
I'd actually buy it for that price. Maybe Amazon will Price match. If not, it won't be long.

bunkaroo 04-04-11 12:49 PM
Re: A.I. Artificial Intelligence - 2/15/11
 
Fry's online and local prices are not always in sync on sale items. I'm going to go in there tomorrow morning - hopefully they'll actually have it in stock since it's in the ad, but it wouldn't be the first time they drop the ball on catalog availability.

bearkiss 04-04-11 01:12 PM
Re: A.I. Artificial Intelligence - 2/15/11
 
mine shipped from amazon this morning & is scheduled for delivery tomorrow - going to watch it this weekend - very excited - one of my all time favorite spielberg movies!

bunkaroo 04-05-11 08:39 AM
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Plenty of these @ Fry's for 9.99. Nice slipcover on it too. Target actually had it too - 16.99.

Kory 04-05-11 10:00 AM
Re: A.I. Artificial Intelligence - 2/15/11
 
Ugggghhhhhh I wish I had a Fry's nearby.

AmityBoatTours 04-09-11 12:59 AM
Re: A.I. Artificial Intelligence - 2/15/11
 
I had totally missed this as being in todays Frys ad as well for 9.99.
When i was at the west hollywood Target tonight, They had 3 in stock.
so when i saw this thread about a hour ago, i double checked the ad and sure enough it was in there.
thank goodness Target is open till 11pm I just went back and picked it up now. cant beat 9.99 so glad i had canceled my amazon order last week to hold out till a little bit latter down the road.

WEEDEDOUT 04-13-11 10:12 AM
Re: A.I. Artificial Intelligence - 2/15/11
 
i picked this up at target sunday. the transfer really is something special.


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