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Solid Snake 02-02-11 08:24 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by DrnknMstr2 (Post 10620267)
I thought I was the only one who can see that.
I have tried to point it to people in the past and people just don't see it.
Thank you.
I'm not crazy.

Yea...he should fix that!
What was he covering up anyway?????
It has perplexed me for years!
wait..what? Someone find me a pic w/ that shit on his face.

PopcornTreeCt 02-02-11 08:28 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by Imail724 (Post 10620301)
The way I see it is, we are not going to get the original originals any time soon, so I would like to new editions be altered again in hopes that some of the fuck ups from the 1997 and 2004 editions are fixed, like maybe making Han shoot first again.
I have to agree with this logic. It would be nice if they went back and fixed it.

whotony 02-02-11 08:36 PM
re: Star Wars
 
I've seen that too. I think it's just bad cgi work that was attempting to add a shadow to the face.

Wasn't it fixed in the most recent version?

CertifiedTHX 02-02-11 08:43 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by coli (Post 10620090)
This is such a ridiculous statement. Are you for updating The Wizard of Oz and the 1930's landscapes that are in the movie? Are you for updating Ben Hur and CGI'ing a new Chariot Scene?

Ever classic movie doesn't need to be touched or tampered with as Lucas has done to the OT movies. Are you telling me you couldn't watch the OT movies before 1997? Are you telling me you couldn't watch ESB before 1997 because they didn't show the outside landscape of Cloud City?

Leave the movies alone......
Originally Posted by DVD Josh (Post 10620098)
More like CertifiedINSANE
:lol: Wow....

Okay, what's wrong with more changes? Are we now arguing to maintain the much maligned versions from 2004?

I said nothing about updating classic films, nor do I advocate that. I simply said that I look forward to what Lucas does with the original Star Wars films. We all know he'll probably tweak them more for the Blu-ray release. I'm just accepting that without looking to tar and feather him for doing it.

For the record, I think Lucas should learn from Steven Spielberg and Ridley Scott and include the original versions, the 1997 versions, the 2004 versions, and then whatever versions he currently has planned. The original versions of any film should always be preserved and made available.

--THX

LosingMyMind 02-02-11 08:49 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by whotony (Post 10620327)
I've seen that too. I think it's just bad cgi work that was attempting to add a shadow to the face.

Wasn't it fixed in the most recent version?
"The two black blobs around the outside of the emperor's eyes were g-mattes to conceal makeup defects that didn't look quite right. With the theatrical release on standard release print stock the g-mattes like all the other g-mattes blend into the surrounding black areas going un-noticed. Not untill the use of lower contrast video film stocks did the density mismatch become apparent."
http://www.agraphafx.com/StarNet/Newstuff/emperor.jpg
http://www.daimyo-shi.net/daimyo-shi/emperor3.jpg

Michael Corvin 02-02-11 10:08 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by CertifiedTHX (Post 10620339)

For the record, I think Lucas should learn from Steven Spielberg and Ridley Scott and include the original versions, the 1997 versions, the 2004 versions, and then whatever versions he currently has planned. The original versions of any film should always be preserved and made available.
Exactly. If he considers the original films workprints, that's fine, toss them on the discs and label them as such. He gets his way, and so do the fans.

Fok 02-03-11 01:09 AM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by Imail724 (Post 10620301)
The way I see it is, we are not going to get the original originals any time soon, so I would like to new editions be altered again in hopes that some of the fuck ups from the 1997 and 2004 editions are fixed, like maybe making Han shoot first again.
Yep I agree, also he should fix Lukes green lightsaber in Ep 4 when he's training on the Falcon.

Spottedfeather 02-03-11 02:34 AM
re: Star Wars
 
I just don't see why Lucas has to be such a jerk about this. Peter Jackson is putting out both the theatrical editions and extended editions (eventually) of Lord Of The Rings. Why cant Lucas do the same ? He'd make twice as much money if he put them out separately. It's nonsense that he says the original versions of the films don't exist anymore and he have to spend way too much to restore them. He already restored them when he made the special edition versions. He HAD to restore them to add the crappy effects and make all the horrible changes.

CertifiedTHX 02-03-11 02:35 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 10620643)
I just don't see why Lucas has to be such a jerk about this. Peter Jackson is putting out both the theatrical editions and extended editions (eventually) of Lord Of The Rings. Why cant Lucas do the same ?
The theatrical versions and the extended versions of The Lord of the Rings are both presented as accepted visions of the same work. Lucas doesn't accept the original cuts of Star Wars. He released them, but he was never happy with them. The only "real" versions to him are the Special Editions.

--THX

Anubis2005X 02-03-11 02:46 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Incredible that the 2004 DVDs were basically the 3rd versions of the films, and yet there were so many issues with lightsaber special effects. WTF...

Jay G. 02-03-11 02:49 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by CertifiedTHX (Post 10621350)
The theatrical versions and the extended versions of The Lord of the Rings are both presented as accepted visions of the same work. Lucas doesn't accept the original cuts of Star Wars. He released them, but he was never happy with them. The only "real" versions to him are the Special Editions.
A counter to that would then be Blade Runner, where Ridley Scott presented 5 versions of the film in HD on the Blu-ray and HD DVD box sets, even though the "Final Cut" is his definitive version. The "Director's Cut" was replaced by the Final Cut, the two theatrical cuts he's disowned, and the workprint cut was never intended to be seen by a mass audience, yet he had them all included in the set.

Scott did the same thing with Legend on DVD.

Terry Gilliam even approved the TV "Love Conquers All" cut of Brazil on the Criterion Collection DVD set.

Finally, Lucas himself apparently doesn't hate the original cuts that bad, since he exploited a decades-old laserdisc transfer of them to use as a "bonus feature" on one of the Star Wars DVD releases. So the idea that it's ok that he not release the original cuts because he doesn't personally like them anymore (and he did at one point approve of all 3 original versions) doesn't really hold water.

Jay G. 02-03-11 02:59 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 10620643)
It's nonsense that he says the original versions of the films don't exist anymore and he have to spend way too much to restore them. He already restored them when he made the special edition versions. He HAD to restore them to add the crappy effects and make all the horrible changes.
He didn't restore the whole film, just the parts he wasn't going to change. Read this article for more info:
http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/savingstarwars.html

Basically, they recomposited the opticals from the original elements, instead of restoring the original negative of these opticals, then spliced the new composites in, permanently losing a few frames in the process for each splice.

Some digtially-enhanced shots were scanned from interpositives, leaving these negative parts of the original negative unrestored, and spliced into the negative when finished.

So there's no fully-restored original version, and the existing negative is a hybrid of different sources.

Now the article goes into ways in which the original version of the films could still be restored, but the work hasn't already been done, at least not completely.

TerryAlexFan 02-27-11 08:50 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Anyone think this will come with digital copies?

Spottedfeather 02-27-11 09:18 PM
re: Star Wars
 
The original version wouldn't even need to be restored. I'd settle for just anamorphic. As long as they'd fill a widescreen frame, I'd be happy. Guess real Star Wars fans are stuck with the "bonus" versions that came out a few years ago.

AnonomusBob15 03-01-11 09:07 AM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 10658600)
The original version wouldn't even need to be restored. I'd settle for just anamorphic. As long as they'd fill a widescreen frame, I'd be happy. Guess real Star Wars fans are stuck with the "bonus" versions that came out a few years ago.
fuck that. No way would I buy a non-anamorphic title that late in the game. I just made my own copy, and stuck them in with my trilogy set. that was just a huge insult all around.

eat it, lucas.

DarthMarino 03-03-11 11:14 AM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by TerryAlexFan (Post 10658476)
Anyone think this will come with digital copies?
It's already been confirmed that digital copies will not be included.

al_bundy 03-03-11 11:22 AM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 10621385)
A counter to that would then be Blade Runner, where Ridley Scott presented 5 versions of the film in HD on the Blu-ray and HD DVD box sets, even though the "Final Cut" is his definitive version. The "Director's Cut" was replaced by the Final Cut, the two theatrical cuts he's disowned, and the workprint cut was never intended to be seen by a mass audience, yet he had them all included in the set.

Scott did the same thing with Legend on DVD.

Terry Gilliam even approved the TV "Love Conquers All" cut of Brazil on the Criterion Collection DVD set.

Finally, Lucas himself apparently doesn't hate the original cuts that bad, since he exploited a decades-old laserdisc transfer of them to use as a "bonus feature" on one of the Star Wars DVD releases. So the idea that it's ok that he not release the original cuts because he doesn't personally like them anymore (and he did at one point approve of all 3 original versions) doesn't really hold water.

if you haven't figured it out by now GL is a money making machine. release the same product with small changes and "bonus" features every few years to keep people buying the same movies over and over again.

release cleaned up versions of the original trilogy in the late 1990's, then the version with the new special effects, then the new trilogy, then stagger the VHS and DVD releases to get people to buy the same movie twice.

i bet the blu ray release will be a regular release this year, a 3d release next year or the year after next and the same people will buy it all over again. then a super duper special edition with a digital copy included for those who haven't figured out how to rip it themselves

Mabuse 03-03-11 01:16 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by al_bundy (Post 10664042)
if you haven't figured it out by now GL is a money making machine. release the same product with small changes and "bonus" features every few years to keep people buying the same movies over and over again.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but Disney rereleases Bambi, Snow White, etc every 7-10 years without changing anything and those films remain cash machines.

I just hope eventually he'll see the business potential for restored "original versions" of each film. Call it Vintage Star Wars: the way they originally screened or something like that.

LosingMyMind 03-03-11 01:22 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by al_bundy (Post 10664042)
i bet the blu ray release will be a regular release this year, a 3d release next year or the year after next and the same people will buy it all over again. then a super duper special edition with a digital copy included for those who haven't figured out how to rip it themselves
If that happens, so be it. We're not being forced to buy any of these sets.

Spottedfeather 03-03-11 02:57 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by DarthMarino (Post 10664034)
It's already been confirmed that digital copies will not be included.
Of course there aren't going to be digital copies. No one ever uses them.

Travis McClain 03-03-11 03:11 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 10664401)
Of course there aren't going to be digital copies. No one ever uses them.
:wave: I download 'em. It's not my preferred method of watching a movie, but I appreciate being able to...you know what? I'm not defending myself on this anymore. Digital Copies are just coasters the rest of you throw away, I get it already.

TomOpus 03-03-11 06:47 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 10664401)
Of course there aren't going to be digital copies. No one ever uses them.
I've used a few of them. So, again, you're wrong :lol:

Spottedfeather 03-03-11 07:13 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by TomOpus (Post 10664771)
I've used a few of them. So, again, you're wrong :lol:
Why, when you can just watch the actual movie dvd ? It just doesn't make sense to watch a movie on a tiny iPod screen.

Travis McClain 03-03-11 07:16 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 10664802)
Why, when you can just watch the actual movie dvd ? It just doesn't make sense to watch a movie on a tiny iPod screen.
Oh, fine! I'll do this once more...

First of all, it's none of anyone's business why anyone would choose a given format.

Secondly, as I've tried to point out countless times on this forum whenever Digital Copies come up, you're not restricted to watching on your iPod screen. You can play a DC on whatever computer you downloaded it to. My laptop has an HDMI output, so I can connect it to any HDTV and watch that way if I'm so inclined. And iPods can also be connected to TVs for playback purpose.

Solid Snake 03-03-11 07:28 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 10664805)
Oh, fine! I'll do this once more...

First of all, it's none of anyone's business why anyone would choose a given format.

Secondly, as I've tried to point out countless times on this forum whenever Digital Copies come up, you're not restricted to watching on your iPod screen. You can play a DC on whatever computer you downloaded it to. My laptop has an HDMI output, so I can connect it to any HDTV and watch that way if I'm so inclined. And iPods can also be connected to TVs for playback purpose.
alright, tiger.


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