Actually, like I said earlier, good white subs always have a slight black outline around the letters to distinguish them on a white background - most yellow subs aren't outlined so, while it's rare, they get lost if there's a yellow background. It's all moot anyway, as these are burnt-in subs and it's not nearly as bad and annoying as yellow subs on a B&W film - I actually can't even watch those.

Yes, extrapolate from my argument that yellow subtitles aren't a big deal into "you can't criticize any movie ever." That wasn't the argument I was making and you know it.

I know nothing!

you've already proven that.

What'd I do to get up your ass? Not like a subtitle's color? The fact that you're bugged by my opinion is far more pathetic than my opinion, which I admit is pathetic in it's nit-pickyness - but not nearly as bad as some of the OCD shit that goes on around here.

The subs were definitely 100% yellow in theaters. They didn't bother me. They won't bother me when I buy the Blu-ray, either. I'll just enjoy the movie for how fucking awesome it is and not worry about what COLOR text is on a screen.

It's a perfectly cromulent complaint. Imagine if they were neon-rainbow colors and you'll get an idea of how I see it.

My problem with yellow is if they are the chyron (sp?) video type that look terrible... If they are what was burned into the film, then yellow is fine with me.. I forgot what color they were.

not to reiterate but... oh screw it, here:

the black outline around the white lettering is utterly necesary, but so few actual subtitling companies implement this that yes, white on white backgrounds are a royal pain. Criterion, Masters of Cinema DVD's / blurays are the benchmark on how subtitling should be done - Sony's yellow subs on DVD's are the worst bar none

No, it's not the weakest argument- just one you misunderstand. His point does not equate to "you can't criticize Transformers 2", it equates to "you can't criticize a Blu-ray of Transformers 2 that accurately represents the film for it's job of representing the film".

Can't wait to see this movie. Could care less about the color of the subtitles.

No. If the color of the subs is a directorial choice, than it's no different from anything else in the movie that was decided upon by the director, like say the script, which is not above criticism. Sure, the color scheme of the subs is not nearly as big a deal as an entire script, so if someone can find fault with, say, a line of dialog, I don't see how this is any different.

Right. Exactly the point. If it's a directorial choice, it's not above criticism any more than any other directorial choice. However, this would also mean that the BD is getting it right, in which case, the BD would be above criticism as an accurate representation of the directorial choice you may consider to be a poor one.

Oh, you silly people.

how do subs work anyway?

i don't understand why they aren't generated by the player rather than merely displayed. in other words, the disc holds the words, but the player can display those words in any manner the user tells it to.

you should be able to pick the font type, the font size, the font color and whether or not there's an outline color. that should be minimum options for subs. maybe placement and 4:3, 16:9 screen layouts also.

the way subs are now is ridiculous.

Really? If anything. I'd prefer my subs underneath the frame of the picture if allowed to.

Font size? Color? outlining? What the hell, man? Big fucking deal. For the most part a lot films have good subtitle quality and placement. I can't believe we're arguing about this.

Blu-rays have a protected video path, meaning subtitles cannot be repositioned unless they want you to.

Here's a good argument for placing subtitles within the movie frame:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/2993

Well, like I said earlier, in this case, the subs are not player-generated but are burnt into the image and part of the video transfer, so it's all moot.

Let the record show that I don't care what color the subtitles are going to be for this movie.

I think i'm sold. Every review needs to point out the subtitle travesty.

Did you erase your previous post? What's the point of your self quoting? You change something?

That R2 BD Packaging is sweet.

If it wasn't for a $15 BB Gift Card I got recently, I probably would've got that.

I have it and hope I can have time to wATCH it tomorrow night.