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clappj 03-17-15 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mabuse (Post 12424976)
Fischer King cover is great. I'm going to butcher the spelling but it's very Guy DeBufffet right? Might even be him. An art style common in urban public art.

Looks like Keith Haring's work to me.
I remember visiting the Pop Shop in NYC in the late 80's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Haring

LorenzoL 03-17-15 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mabuse (Post 12424976)
Fischer King cover is great. I'm going to butcher the spelling but it's very Guy DeBufffet right? Might even be him. An art style common in urban public art.


Originally Posted by clappj (Post 12425394)
Looks like Keith Haring's work to me.
I remember visiting the Pop Shop in NYC in the late 80's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Haring

On the Criterion website, it indicates that the new cover was done by LA2, whoever that is.

http://www.criterion.com/films/28719-the-fisher-king

clappj 03-18-15 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by LorenzoL (Post 12425401)
On the Criterion website, it indicates that the new cover was done by LA2, whoever that is.

http://www.criterion.com/films/28719-the-fisher-king

Thanks for the info! I found this, and found it quite interesting.

http://www.artantide.com/artisti_Bio...&idArtista=154

http://www.artantide.com/artisti_Cri...&idArtista=154

Mabuse 03-18-15 12:38 PM

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Interesting.

Giles 04-15-15 04:56 PM

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http://s3.amazonaws.com/criterion-pr...0_original.jpg

New 4K digital restoration, with uncompressed monaural soundtrack on the Blu-ray
Audio commentary by film historian Peter Cowie
Interviews with director Alain Resnais from 1961 and 1980
Interviews with actor Emmanuelle Riva from 1959 and 2003
New interview with film scholar François Thomas, author of L’atelier d’Alain Resnais
New interview with music scholar Tim Page about the film’s score
Revoir Hiroshima . . . , a 2013 program about the film’s restoration
New English subtitle translation
PLUS: An essay by critic Kent Jones and excerpts from a 1959 Cahiers du cinéma roundtable discussion about the film

Giles 04-15-15 04:57 PM

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http://s3.amazonaws.com/criterion-pr...0_original.jpg

New high-definition digital restorations of both films, with uncompressed monaural soundtracks on the Blu-rays
Andrei Tarkovsky’s short film adaptation of Ernest Hemingway’s “The Killers,” made when he was a student in 1956
Interview from 2002 with writer Stuart M. Kaminsky about both films
Piece from 2002 in which actor Stacy Keach reads Hemingway’s short story
Screen Director’s Playhouse radio adaptation from 1949 of the 1946 film, starring Burt Lancaster and Shelley Winters
Interview from 2002 with actor Clu Gulager
Audio excerpt from director Don Siegel’s autobiography, A Siegel Film, read by actor and director Hampton Fancher
Trailers
PLUS: Essays by novelist Jonathan Lethem and critic Geoffrey O’Brien

Giles 04-15-15 04:58 PM

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http://s3.amazonaws.com/criterion-pr...0_original.jpg

New, restored 2K digital transfer, supervised by director of photography Oliver Stapleton, with uncompressed monaural soundtrack on the Blu-ray
New conversation between director Stephen Frears and producer Colin MacCabe
New interviews with writer Hanif Kureishi, producers Tim Bevan and Sarah Radclyffe, and Stapleton
Trailer
PLUS: An essay by journalist Sarfraz Manzoor

Giles 04-15-15 05:00 PM

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http://s3.amazonaws.com/criterion-pr...0_original.jpg

New 4K digital transfer, supervised by director of photography Caleb Deschanel, with 2.0 surround DTS-HD Master Audio soundtrack on the Blu-ray
Five short films by Carroll Ballard, with introductions by the director: Pigs! (1965), The Perils of Priscilla (1969), Rodeo (1969), Seems Like Only Yesterday (1971), and Crystallization (1974)
New conversation between Ballard and film critic Scott Foundas
New interview with Deschanel
New piece featuring photographer Mary Ellen Mark discussing her images from the film’s set
Trailer
PLUS: An essay by film critic Michael Sragow

Giles 04-15-15 05:00 PM

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http://s3.amazonaws.com/criterion-pr...0_original.jpg

New 2K digital restoration, with uncompressed monaural soundtrack on the Blu-ray
New introduction by filmmaker Mike Leigh
New conversation between director Jan Troell and film historian Peter Cowie
New interviews with actor Eddie Axberg and producer and screenwriter Bengt Forslund
Interlude in Marshland, a 1965 short film by Troell, starring Max von Sydow
New English subtitle translation
PLUS: An essay by film scholar Mark Le Fanu

Giles 04-15-15 05:05 PM

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Moonrise Kingdom

Restored 2K digital transfer, supervised by director Wes Anderson, with 5.1 surround DTS-HD Master Audio soundtrack on the Blu-ray
Audio commentary featuring Anderson
Selected-scene storyboard animatics
Interviews with cast and crew
Behind-the-scenes tour hosted by Bill Murray
Welcome to New Penzance, hosted by Bob Balaban
Auditions
Edward Norton’s home movies from the set
Trailer
More!
PLUS: A booklet featuring an essay by critic Geoffrey O’Brien, plus a map of New Penzance Island and other ephemera

slop101 04-15-15 05:22 PM

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yawn.

ctyankee 04-15-15 09:01 PM

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I love Moonrise Kingdom.

Giles 04-15-15 09:21 PM

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^ me too. 'The Black Stallion' was a complete surprise, since a bare-bones release came out last year. I might keep it since the Criterion is 2.0 and MGM's audio is 5.1

milo bloom 04-15-15 09:29 PM

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Moonrise was a complete delight from start to finish, no problem adding another Wes film to the collection.

Black Beauty* was a surprise, I think that's another easy pickup.

*Stallion!!

Giles 04-15-15 09:55 PM

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^ *cough* "stallion" Milo.

inri222 04-15-15 10:19 PM

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Hiroshima Mon Amour shall be mine, one of the greatest films ever made. :up:

PhantomStranger 04-16-15 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Giles (Post 12453119)
http://s3.amazonaws.com/criterion-pr...0_original.jpg

New high-definition digital restorations of both films, with uncompressed monaural soundtracks on the Blu-rays
Andrei Tarkovsky’s short film adaptation of Ernest Hemingway’s “The Killers,” made when he was a student in 1956
Interview from 2002 with writer Stuart M. Kaminsky about both films
Piece from 2002 in which actor Stacy Keach reads Hemingway’s short story
Screen Director’s Playhouse radio adaptation from 1949 of the 1946 film, starring Burt Lancaster and Shelley Winters
Interview from 2002 with actor Clu Gulager
Audio excerpt from director Don Siegel’s autobiography, A Siegel Film, read by actor and director Hampton Fancher
Trailers
PLUS: Essays by novelist Jonathan Lethem and critic Geoffrey O’Brien

This is essential for film noir and Burt Lancaster fans. Both are excellent films in their own way. Arrow released both of them in the past year in the UK (Region B-only) from likely the same HD sources. A different set of special features for the films. Both have fine video quality.

http://www.doblu.com/2015/03/10/kill...lu-ray-review/

http://www.doblu.com/2014/03/19/the-...lu-ray-review/

nitin77 04-16-15 04:36 AM

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cant see Criterion trumping the two Arrow releases of The Killers '46 and '64.

So Hiroshima Mon Amour is the really big draw, easily one of the best films ever made.

Giles 04-16-15 08:47 AM

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wow - I never knew that the sound of crickets made so much noise ... ;)

hdnmickey 04-16-15 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Giles (Post 12453336)
'The Black Stallion' was a complete surprise, since a bare-bones release came out last year. I might keep it since the Criterion is 2.0 and MGM's audio is 5.1

Same here. The extras list seems just as odd as the decision to release the film at all. Like you, unless the video improvement is off the charts, looks like the 5.1 MGM will be the best choice. Can't remember too many Criterion releases that were not a slam dunk choice over the mass market US release.

Certainly they are for the Wes Anderson movies. Even Fox was much better by Criterion despite the first BD release be in awesome in every way. Waited on Moonrise knowing it would get a Criterion release and the first release was pretty bare.

milo bloom 04-16-15 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Giles (Post 12453366)
^ *cough* "stallion" Milo.

Stallions, ponies, whatever :)

Giles 04-16-15 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by milo bloom (Post 12453678)
Stallions, ponies, whatever :)

http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbvie...or-unicorn.jpg

Giles 04-16-15 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by hdnmickey (Post 12453671)
Same here. The extras list seems just as odd as the decision to release the film at all. Like you, unless the video improvement is off the charts, looks like the 5.1 MGM will be the best choice. Can't remember too many Criterion releases that were not a slam dunk choice over the mass market US release.

Certainly they are for the Wes Anderson movies. Even Fox was much better by Criterion despite the first BD release be in awesome in every way. Waited on Moonrise knowing it would get a Criterion release and the first release was pretty bare.

so it took two year and nine months for Criterion's release of 'Moonrise' - we can expect 'Grand Budapest Hotel' sometime in 2017 - right?

for the record - Criterion's transfer of 'Black Stallion' might look better, since it's a 4K transfer whereas MGM's isn't.

Neil M. 04-16-15 10:55 AM

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The Black Stallion should be a huge improvement over the MGM release. There were issues with the video and not including the original stereo track was a questionable decision.

Giles 04-16-15 11:13 AM

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'Black Stallion' is an interesting story - since initial theatrical plans were for a 70mm / 6-track release - whether or not the 6-track soundmix was completed (and used for the MGM bluray release) is up for debate. But Criterion is not entirely faithful to replicating or using 6-track stems for some of their releases: 'The Last Emperor' and 'Playtime' are the two prime examples.

in the same vein: MGM should be slapped on the hand for giving a sub-quality transfer of 'Khartoum' to Twilight Time - saying 6-track soundmix wasn't available to transfer on the bluray was a flat out lie - DTS used the stems for a recent 70mm print reissue in 2013.

hdnmickey 04-16-15 11:19 AM

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I tend to believe the six track exists and Criterion once again decided to pretend it does not. Shouldn't be that hard to tell if one was to compare the two.

jwstl 04-16-15 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Giles (Post 12453336)
^ me too. 'The Black Stallion' was a complete surprise, since a bare-bones release came out last year. I might keep it since the Criterion is 2.0 and MGM's audio is 5.1

I'd rather have the original 2.0 audio than a 5.1 "remix".

jwstl 04-16-15 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil M. (Post 12453775)
and not including the original stereo track was a questionable decision.

Agreed. If there's no official 6 track available then give me the original stereo.

Josh Z 04-16-15 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hdnmickey (Post 12453808)
I tend to believe the six track exists and Criterion once again decided to pretend it does not. Shouldn't be that hard to tell if one was to compare the two.

Keep in mind that the 70mm 6-channel sound format is not directly mappable to our modern 5.1 standard. It consisted of 5 channels across the front and a mono surround channel. It would have to be remixed to adapt to 5.1 regardless.

Also, even if the 6-channel mix for this film was completed during the original release (which is still in question), that doesn't necessarily mean that Criterion has access to those materials. They can only work with what the rights-holders give them.

In a case like this, it's likely that MGM gave Criterion a choice of either the original stereo track or the 5.1 remix that MGM completed itself for the prior release. The 6-channel track was probably not even on the table. Given those options, Criterion typically opts for the "purest" presentation, unless the filmmakers are involved and request differently. (For example, the Criterion Blu-ray for Wings of Desire has a brand new 5.1 remix different from the one on the old DVD, because Wim Wenders supervised and approved the new track.)

Ringmaster 04-16-15 03:59 PM

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There's no reason why Criterion couldn't have both tracks on the disc. Plenty of space.

Josh Z 04-16-15 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ringmaster (Post 12454226)
There's no reason why Criterion couldn't have both tracks on the disc. Plenty of space.

It isn't a question of space or a technical issue. Criterion's policy is to present either the filmmaker's preferred version of the movie, or (lacking their involvement or convincing evidence for that) the version truest to the original theatrical release.

If the director is involved and approves a new remix, Criterion will use that. But if they're dead or otherwise unavailable, Criterion will default to the best available theatrical sound mix. A remix some studio contractor prepared without any involvement from the filmmakers is not something Criterion wants.

milo bloom 04-16-15 05:04 PM

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A thought I had recently - is there some reason Criterion doesn't include the MPAA ratings on films (where applicable) ?

Neil M. 04-16-15 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by milo bloom (Post 12454289)
A thought I had recently - is there some reason Criterion doesn't include the MPAA ratings on films (where applicable) ?

Some of them do have the ratings on the back. Others don't. I'm not sure if they are just an oversight or if there is any reason behind it.

PhantomStranger 04-16-15 08:01 PM

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I don't think Criterion's audience cares too much what a film is rated.

hanshotfirst1138 04-16-15 11:43 PM

Through that, they managed to get In the Realm of the Senses and Salo into my local suburban Barnes and Noble. Which is pretty impressive.

milo bloom 04-17-15 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger (Post 12454465)
I don't think Criterion's audience cares too much what a film is rated.

I'd like to have some general idea of what I can watch with my 7 y.o. son.

I can always look up reviews online, but the ratings were invented for a reason.

DaveyJoe 04-17-15 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by milo bloom (Post 12454851)
I'd like to have some general idea of what I can watch with my 7 y.o. son.

I can always look up reviews online, but the ratings were invented for a reason.

Criterion doesn't specialize in family-friendly films, but they recently put out the animated film Watership Down, which I've heard good things about.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/criterion-pr...0_original.jpg

jwstl 04-17-15 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by milo bloom (Post 12454851)
I'd like to have some general idea of what I can watch with my 7 y.o. son.

I can always look up reviews online, but the ratings were invented for a reason.

The ratings system is completely voluntary so there are probably a number of Criterion films that are Unrated. And that doesn't necessarily mean there's material unsuited for a 7 year old; it just means it wasn't submitted for a rating. And, because Criterion releases a number of foreign films, I suspect a good percentage were never submitted or never submitted in the form released on the Criterion disc. Add to that the fact that MPAA ratings system is a joke, your best course is to always look at reviews because you simply can't trust the ratings.

Giles 04-17-15 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveyJoe (Post 12454978)
Criterion doesn't specialize in family-friendly films, but they recently put out the animated film Watership Down, which I've heard good things about.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/criterion-pr...0_original.jpg

"family friendly" and 'Watership Down' don't equate - it maybe animated but it's tone and grimness doesn't exactly make this appropriate for all children.

I'm waiting for a domestic release of this:

http://guideimg.alibaba.com/images/s...me_2002113.jpg

TheDuke 04-17-15 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by milo bloom (Post 12454851)
I'd like to have some general idea of what I can watch with my 7 y.o. son.

I can always look up reviews online, but the ratings were invented for a reason.

Show him Au Revoir Les Enfants.


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