That's great news! :up: This was a reference disc for me in HD DVD and I'm sure it'll be the same for me on BD. :)

I don't know if its been mentioned...but if you own the previous DVD you get $10 back (rebate) if you cut out the UPC (much like what Disney has been doing).

Some slight differences between the HD DVD and BD set. The text "Transformers" on the BD slip cover is shinier. On the back, it lists one less feature (but its still on the disc) and they added HD next to all the special features listed (though they are all in HD on the HD DVD set). Minor.

Thanks, GizmoDVD. SO what is the feature that's not mentioned but still available? Did they fit in some of the widgets or do you still have to download those like you did for the HD DVD?

Blu-ray.com ratings: 5 for Video, 5 for Audio

NICE

I'm really anxious to hear if there's anything difference in the LFE. I still feel there was something not quite right about the HD DVD, and not due to lossy. There have been too many people who have reported lack of bass on that disc only.

If it sounds exactly like the HD DVD when level matched, then at least we'll have some confirmation that the LFE was where it should have been on the HD DVD, even though the LFE in the DLP screening I saw was much more present. We'll see.

Let's be honest here - did you really think they would give a score any less then perfect for this?

Looks like if you had to download them before, you have to download them again. Meaning unless you have a Profile 2.0 player (PS3 or a Panasonic DMP-50) you won't be checking those out any time soon.

Here is some pictures I took comparing the HD to BD...

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That is exactly what I want to know too. I only have seen it on HD DVD and I thought the LFE was severely lacking.

Is there a portion of the review you disagree with and if there is could you comment on it or do you disagree in principle?
Pro-B

Hey could you please post the requiremets of the rebate? Do we need to send original receipts, UPC, etc?

Thanks

Pro-B, are you a big fan of Transformers?

I am not a fan of the film at all.

The earlier question stands!

Pro-B

I had to wonder. From all the posts of yours that I've read it really didn't seem like it'd be your bag.

Thanks.

Proof of purchase tab or UPC from original DVD
Proof of purchase tab or UPC from BD version
Receipt for your BD purchase only dated 9/2/08 - 12/31/09
And of course, the actual rebate inside the Transformers BD filled out

Pretty much the same as Buena Vista/Disney

Too easy. I'll pass Pro B. Let us know when you actually want to converse about BD films rather then start wars with everyone here.

I remember some early reports on AVS that only some users were reporting lackluster LFE on their discs which led many to asume that not all discs were affected with the issue. All I know is my disc sounds fine in the LFE dept (deep and tight without being boomy) and I don't expect a dramatic shift in LFE when going from DD+ to DD TrueHD.

That should go for you too. You make snarky comments and then one someone responds you get irritated. Maybe it's better you delete your previous post so no one will start a war with you.

Seeing your comments in the Dark Knight thread I don't believe you have any credible reason to question why I asked what you disprove about the review. Or, am I to assume that movie-mans-guide.com is the only source capable of producing reliable reviews?

Generic dismissive comments about sites and journalists aren't good enough.

Pro-B

You don't think that could have anything to do with the theater having much larger and more powerful speakers than you have at home, do you?

Dark Night thread? You mean about asking if its a good movie, yeah, that was a joke. Humor is probably lost on you.

But sorry, I don't take Blu-ray.com very seriously, as its a fan-based, 100% everything Blu-ray website. I fully expected them to give 5/5 for PQ/AQ just because of all the hoopla regarding what Paramount did to them last year. Even though there is a running thread on AVS where many people are weighing in and calling PQ identical to that of HD DVD and the Audio questionable. I wonder what the same author would have given the HD DVD had it reviewed it?

And once again, you are assuming I don't read any other sites reviews, which is flat out wrong. I read many websites reviews on DVDs, BDs, Theatrical etc. and don't consider mine to be the end all. Not once did I ever say, nor will I ever. I don't remember Josh Z doing that either but you sure called him out in the Speed Racer thread for the same exact reason. Can we read some of your Blu-ray reviews somewhere? Do us a favor Pro-B, stop trying to defend everything that is Blu to you (even for a movie you hate and have never seen on Blu-ray) and just chill. You take the format way to seriously.

They are by no means liberal with their 5 of 5 reviews. They give 3s and 4s all the time.

I pre-ordered Transformers and Sweeney before 9/2, buy they will be delivered after 9/2. I wonder if that counts or if I will need to cancel and reorder after 9/2? How annoying.

I'm not talking about overall volume - I'm talking about the mix.

I do have the ability to perceive the difference in event levels.

And you know exactly how this particular theater has calibrated their sound system?

I doubt that would matter much if its ordered online. In Sweenys case, it won't get shipped until October, so its just Transformers that might be iffy.

I know what other DLP screenings there have sounded like vs. my HT experience.

You can relax - I'm not saying your beloved HD DVD is shit. I'm saying I hope MY experience with the Blu-Ray has LFE comparable to MY experience with the film at a DLP theater. Because the HD DVD certainly did not recreate MY DLP theater experience.

I think Josh is still pissed because his buddy Peter Bracke over at HD Digest said that U-571's lossless audio track blew away the DD+ on the HD DVD. Because if you remember, Josh said a few days ago in the 1st closed Speed Racer thread that basically you shouldn't be able to tell much difference between DD+ and lossless audio.

I wonder if Bracke will say the same thing about Transformers, thus causing further anger for someone who doesn't think they are ever wrong.

I think you should read this thread (from the past few days):
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1032686

When FilmMixer, who, well creates the mix's to films, went into great detail out DD+ and Lossless are identical and its simply a placebo effect. But hey, its just the job he has been doing for 20 years in a controlled area that can match any volume levels... He has an open invitation out to Bracke to come visit his studio and pick out the lossless track 3 out of 4 times compared to DD+.

And let's not forget, Bracke is wrong way more times then he is right. Miami Vice BD was re-encoded from VC1 to AVC? Oops, he changed that after a few days and now you would never know he made a mistake.

So you're saying that you've directly compared the Blu-ray to the HD DVD and they have different LFE levels? Did you measure?

I guess my point is that the packing slip I receive with the shipment is my receipt, and that will list July as my purchase date.

Let's not forget that Mr. Robert Harris actually has a formidable record to show off to those who appear qualified to produce an expert opinion in a field they have no record at all. So, you rebuttal is hardly indicative of the situation.

Now back to the question pertaining to the original topic of this thread. What portion of the technical evaluation for the Transformers disc you disagree with and why? Apparently you disagree with the high marks given by Mr. Liebman and believe that there is something the disc is lacking. What is it?

Pro-B

His quote indicates to me that he hasn't yet seen/heard the BD of Transformers. Hence, "I HOPE my experience with the Blu-ray..."

The format war was annoying when it was going on. People trying to continue it now that it's over bewilder me.

Bracke has a record of changing his reviews when he is proven to be wrong. You would never know it unless you frequent forums, which you do, so you know how often he has made errors. Miami Vice BD? Or how about the fact that HDD just went back and changed the score they gave Transformers on HD DVD from 5 stars to 4? Sorry, he has lost all credibility with me.

As for the Blu-ray.com review, Pro-B, once again, I am just going to put you on ignore. You seem to like to target anyone who actually wanted HD DVD to win while giving anyone else a free pass. Since I'd rather not get banned from this forum I'll continue to ignore you're posts. You've proven time and time again you are not here for the actual films but to start conflicts which lead to threads being closed down.

Send it in anyway - they are usually pretty good about those type of things. The start date has to be there for legal issues, if its a few days before, they won't care.

To make it crystal clear for you:

The LFE is lacking on my setup with the HD DVD, even at high volume.

The LFE's level proportionate to the rest of the mix is quite different on the disc vs. MY DLP screening.

I have never heard such a discrepancy between relative LFE levels on any other DLP film screened at the same location vs. the disc.

It is my *hope* that the LFE will be more prominent when I play the Blu-Ray through my system, which has been level calibrated.

You'll note I am one user, not someone trying to write a review and tell other people what to do.

You, on the other hand, felt the need to tell Ralph Potts how to conduct his own review. Nice lack of respect there.

Give it a rest.

Thank you for reading the whole post.

It seems to me that your credibility criterion changes more and more to reflect what you believe the right evaluation should be, yet you dismiss those who follow a similar philosophy. We now have two reviews that seem to indicate exactly what you question. I asked you earlier: what portion of the review, or let's say reviews, you disagree with. Given that Bracke actually went back to correct his old HDDVD review this seems to be a very strong issue to consider - was there an improvement or not?

I don't target anyone. I question those who feel comfortable unleashing statements about credibility yet when asked to justify their stance end up ignoring or stating that that the party they disagree with lost credibility. If you cannot defend your claims then don't produce them. The two reviews very clearly state why they give the BD the highest marks.

Pro-B

I look at things this way:

If you are happy with the HD DVD (as many are), don't worry about if the Blu-Ray is better. Stick with the HD DVD.

Personally, I was more than happy with the PQ on the HD DVD. I thought the audio was fantastic except for the apparent lack of LFE. I am not the only one who experienced this by a longshot, as evidenced by the lengthy thread at AVS on the subject. Sure some of those experiences could be written off to poor setups, no calibration, etc., but there were just too many user accounts of similar experiences for this to be entirely user error. I'm not saying the disc is defective. Maybe the LFE was mixed in a way where some systems just can't reproduce it correctly - I don't know. Some people with some pretty high-end setups (much better than mine) also reported the same lack of LFE.

So to conclude, if your HD DVD rocks your world, fuckin' A - keep enjoying it.

Some of us are hoping the Blu-Ray provides a more satisfying experience on our setups, regardless of the root cause of the LFE issue.

No agenda; no bullshit sour grapes.

I misread your last post and thought you were saying that the Blu-ray does have more LFE. I apologize for that, bunkaroo.

I didn't tell Ralph to do anything. I made a suggestion, which he stated that he agreed with. Please don't try to make that into something it's not.

Man...you guys never get tired of this stuff do you?