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Old 04-29-08 | 10:15 AM
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From TDB...

"And here's one more thing that's going to drive some of you crazy: We've learned that Best Buy is going to have an exclusive bonus disc with New Line's The Golden Compass: 2-Disc Platinum Edition on Tuesday, featuring "over 45 minutes worth of extra footage." In other words, it would seem, deleted scenes. The deleted scenes that aren't yet being restored to the movie itself... and which aren't included on the Blu-ray Disc version. Which means, there's going to be a double-dip one of these days (probably when the sequels show up in theatres, which we hear WILL happen because Compass made so much money internationally, even though it hasn't yet been officially announced). What's more, to our knowledge, the bonus disc is only available with the DVD version. In other words, if you're a Blu-ray fan... yes, you ARE getting screwed. You know, we don't mind retailer exclusives like special packaging or swag items, but when ACTUAL CONTENT is only available at a particular retailer - especially something this interesting to fans of the film - that just sucks. Period. Whoever made this decision at New Line or Warner should know better."
Old 04-29-08 | 11:23 AM
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Based on the description at BB.com, the extra disc contains behind the scenes, not deleted scenes.
Old 04-29-08 | 12:44 PM
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I guess we'll have to wait for someone to actually get the disc.

I think given the fact NL needs very much to recoup on this movie, they probably won't make the deleted stuff widely available until it's part of an extended cut release.

I meant to see this in the theater and got it for a good price so I don't mind spending the $24 for the BD.
Old 04-29-08 | 04:33 PM
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Well, I actually have the disc, and it's behind the scenes material. Not deleted scenes. I'm also happy to report that the picture quality is superb.
Old 04-30-08 | 02:38 AM
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From TDB...

"And here's one more thing that's going to drive some of you crazy: We've learned that Best Buy is going to have an exclusive bonus disc with New Line's The Golden Compass: 2-Disc Platinum Edition on Tuesday, featuring "over 45 minutes worth of extra footage." In other words, it would seem, deleted scenes. The deleted scenes that aren't yet being restored to the movie itself... and which aren't included on the Blu-ray Disc version. Which means, there's going to be a double-dip one of these days (probably when the sequels show up in theatres, which we hear WILL happen because Compass made so much money internationally, even though it hasn't yet been officially announced). What's more, to our knowledge, the bonus disc is only available with the DVD version. In other words, if you're a Blu-ray fan... yes, you ARE getting screwed. You know, we don't mind retailer exclusives like special packaging or swag items, but when ACTUAL CONTENT is only available at a particular retailer - especially something this interesting to fans of the film - that just sucks. Period. Whoever made this decision at New Line or Warner should know better."
Well, that's been pretty much most of my beef with Blu-Ray. All the retailer bonus discs and sometimes just something as basic as extras is something relegated only to SD DVD's.

Apparently DVD and film enthusiasts aern't the same people who buy HD media.
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Good. Glad its not the deleted scenes.
Old 04-30-08 | 10:35 AM
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I was in Target last night looking at the new releases. I quickly became a fish underwater and was drawn to The Golden Compass, due to that snazzy gold packaging. On the back, I noticed the 4 star quote from Ebert. Yeah, he's not as tough on movies as he used to be, but that sealed the deal for me. I hope this doesn't suck.
Old 04-30-08 | 12:37 PM
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It was a movie with great potential that didn't deliver in the least

I personally wasn't bored for a majority of it, I just didn't like it too much.
Old 05-01-08 | 10:05 PM
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I know exactly how you feel, RichC2. I really should have rented it before I purchased it blind. The first half hour or so is great (the unnecesary Cliff's Notes narration during the opening titles notwithstanding) and feels like it's really building to something amazing but then it suddenly fizzles out. Curiously, it begins to lose steam around the time Daniel Craig departs from the picture (well, until his brief cameo at the end). Too bad because the film is blessed with an excellent cast.

But how in the heck did they win for best visual effects? The visuals were average at best.
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This was going to be a blind buy for me ... now you guys are giving me second thoughts.
Old 05-02-08 | 11:56 AM
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This was going to be a blind buy for me ... now you guys are giving me second thoughts.
Pish posh. I loved this movie. And I'm thrilled with the BD. The picture quality is fantastic. And I think this deserved it's Oscar over the competition.
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Pish posh. I loved this movie. And I'm thrilled with the BD. The picture quality is fantastic. And I think this deserved it's Oscar over the competition.
I'm glad someone else said it. I've been a fan of the fantasy literary genre for quite a long time and consider myself a fair judge of what "works" with this genre on film. While I would agree that this genre has a checkered history on film (a LOT of bad ones), The Golden Compass is a fantasy film that fits the category nicely and is a technically well crafted film of its type. Subjectively liking or not liking a story, or the treatment of a book is one thing, but to lump criticism on a film as well done as The Golden Compass as "bad" is simply not fair to the work. The Golden Compass is a technically well made film, and if one warms to the story content, a very entertaining couple of hours. Count me as one of those hoping for the sequels to be made.

Also count me as one of those that consider the Blu-ray disc to be state of the art. Virtually perfect video and audio (and I saw this in D-Cinema as a visual reference).

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Old 05-02-08 | 04:21 PM
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I liked the movie too. Nicole Kidman is so cold she's hot....
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I have nothing against the story, Robert George. My problem is with the execution. It's as if they had a 3+ hour movie on their hands and they tried to cut it down to 90+ minutes. It just felt far too rushed. I loved the cast and how individual scenes where directed. But the as a whole, it feels poorly cobbled together. Before there is to be a sequel, I hope for a proper extended edition (one that actually lives up the solid foundation established during the first 30 minutes of the movie rather than a random assortment of deleted scenes cut back in for the sole reason of a double-dip) that allows this film to live up to the potential it had.
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It's as if they had a 3+ hour movie on their hands and they tried to cut it down to 90+ minutes.
I would have to agree that the story does seem to move a bit too quickly from one section to the next. There could have been more exposition, particularly in the first half. I also recognize the hand of modern day studio sensibilities here. It is still very difficult to get a three hour film made, even for Peter Jackson who proved he could make a good one that long.

Perhaps there is a better version of this film hiding somewhere. Given what I'm sure were the constraints placed on the filmmakers by the studio, this is still one of the better fantasy films out there.
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Someone should tell New Line that there's profit to be made from extended DVDs of literary-fantasy films.
Old 05-02-08 | 10:03 PM
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I think I'm just particularly hard on this film because there was so much to like that the bad parts stuck out even more, Robert George. But I do believe there's a much better film hidden underneath what was released. I just hope we see it someday soon.
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I have nothing against the story, Robert George. My problem is with the execution. It's as if they had a 3+ hour movie on their hands and they tried to cut it down to 90+ minutes. It just felt far too rushed. I loved the cast and how individual scenes where directed. But the as a whole, it feels poorly cobbled together. Before there is to be a sequel, I hope for a proper extended edition (one that actually lives up the solid foundation established during the first 30 minutes of the movie rather than a random assortment of deleted scenes cut back in for the sole reason of a double-dip) that allows this film to live up to the potential it had.
The director said himself literally the day (or day after) the movie came out in theaters that he wants to do an extended version of the movie that would run about ~40 minutes longer.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the move released in theaters was more a result of studio meddling rather than anything else.
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Also count me as one of those that consider the Blu-ray disc to be state of the art. Virtually perfect video and audio (and I saw this in D-Cinema as a visual reference).
Really? Although I wholeheartedly agree regarding the audio, I found myself ambivalent toward the video. Although there were a great many beautiful looking shots with a gorgeous amount of detail, there were also an equal amount of shots that were extremely soft and looked like someone set the DNR extremely high. Those shots were so bad that they almost looked like upscaled DVD.
Old 05-05-08 | 11:26 AM
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The director said himself literally the day (or day after) the movie came out in theaters that he wants to do an extended version of the movie that would run about ~40 minutes longer.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the move released in theaters was more a result of studio meddling rather than anything else.
That's good to know. This is a movie that could definitely use an extra 40 (or preferably more) minutes.

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Although there were a great many beautiful looking shots with a gorgeous amount of detail, there were also an equal amount of shots that were extremely soft and looked like someone set the DNR extremely high.
The term "DNR" has been thrown around quite a lot in discussion of this Blu-ray transfer, mostly by people that are not in a position to know if DNR was applied, or where in the process it might have been. There are some instances of slight softening of Nicole Kidman's shots. I expect that, and I am virtually certain this was an artistic choice. Also, some of the long effects shots are a bit soft, also a result of production issues as this is what I saw in the theater.

Let me reiterate. I saw this film in D-Cinema digital projection. I noted then a number of shots and scenes that were not particularly visually impressive. Whether intentional or a result of technical limitation, what we have on this Blu-ray is pretty much what there is in the source elements. Indeed, for the most part, subjectively speaking, I think the 106" projected image in my HT is actually superior to the D-Cinema presentation I saw.
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I'm not saying DNR was specifically applied, Robert George. I'm just saying it looks as if it were applied. It's good to know it's as close to identical as the theatrical presentation as possible since it means the colorist must have put in a lot of effort to get the transfer right. It doesn't change the fact that the visual offerings are, as whole, okay despite some phenomenal imagery at times.

The real star in terms of technical presentation is the fantastic audio.
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Originally Posted by Robert George
Let me reiterate. I saw this film in D-Cinema digital projection. I noted then a number of shots and scenes that were not particularly visually impressive. Whether intentional or a result of technical limitation, what we have on this Blu-ray is pretty much what there is in the source elements.
Correction: What we have on the Blu-ray may be pretty much what there was in the D-Cinema presentation. That's not the same thing as what was on the source elements. DNR may have been applied when the film was digitized the first time, and the Blu-ray just shares the same master that was used for the DLP screenings.

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