Go Back  DVD Talk Forum > DVD Discussions > HD Talk
Reload this Page >

Children of Men US HD DVD vs. Nordic Blu-Ray

HD Talk The place to discuss Blu-ray, 4K and all other forms and formats of HD and HDTV.

Children of Men US HD DVD vs. Nordic Blu-Ray

Old 04-14-08, 09:31 PM
  #1  
DVD Talk Legend
Thread Starter
 
bunkaroo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Chicago West Suburbs
Posts: 15,466
Children of Men US HD DVD vs. Nordic Blu-Ray

In absence of an open General Blu-Ray thread, I'll post this as a separate topic.

I picked up the Nordic Blu-Ray of Children Of Men from Xploited Cinema. Other than it being a known problematic combo, I was very happy with domestic HD DVD. It was actually better looking than my theatrical viewing.

The audio track on the Blu-Ray is 640kbps according to the PS3 display. For those who care, bitrate peaked into the high 30's from time to time, but mostly hung out in the 20's.

For the actual scene comparisons, I used my BD30 for the Blu-Ray and my XA2 for the HD DVD. I bitstreamed audio in both cases to my Onkyo 605.

I did a quick comparison of several scenes.

The transfers appear identical. The Blu-Ray has the same Universal and Strike titles at the beginning as the HD DVD, so I would not be surprised in the least to hear they are the same master - I could not detect any difference in color, sharpness or anything else.

On the audio, the Blu-Ray's DD track was significantly hotter than the HD DVD with the same level at the receiver, but I don't really make anything of that. I have to admit I heard virtually no difference in clarity between the two tracks. I want to say there was slightly more "spacialness" on the DD+ track, but without a proper tool for measuring volume output, I'll just say the tracks sounded virtually identical to me. The impact of the bomb in the coffee shop and the ambush scene in the car had sounded great on both discs.

Now the disappointing stuff. Not only in the Blu-Ray bare bones, there is not even a pop-up menu. Also, you have no choice for no subtitles, so you have to wait for the movie to start and then use your player's subtitle menu to turn them off.

I don't regret buying the BD as I now know I don't have to rely on the combo for one of my favorite films (yes I am aware of the non-combo UK HD DVD), but I don't think I'd recommend the import to anyone who is happy with their combo. If you don't have the HD DVD and want the movie on Blu-Ray, the disc serves its purpose as being a fine presentation of the film.
bunkaroo is offline  
Old 04-14-08, 09:35 PM
  #2  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 52,192
Thanks for the info. Been debating buying it on HD DVD.
DVD Polizei is offline  
Old 04-14-08, 09:50 PM
  #3  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
tonymontana313's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 2,746
Hey bunkaroo, did it come in the thick or slim Blu-ray case? Thanks.
tonymontana313 is offline  
Old 04-14-08, 10:04 PM
  #4  
DVD Talk Legend
Thread Starter
 
bunkaroo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Chicago West Suburbs
Posts: 15,466
Slim case - the kind with the latch and embossed Blu-Ray logo. English printing on the cover and spine.
bunkaroo is offline  
Old 04-14-08, 10:45 PM
  #5  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Wild Wonderful...
Posts: 1,750
I'm happy with my version - but thank you for the comparison
True_Story1011 is offline  
Old 04-14-08, 11:15 PM
  #6  
DVD Talk Legend
 
E Unit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Behind Wolf in the Situation Room
Posts: 12,270
Raw deal in having it bare bones, I hope you didn't pay a ton for it. But as others have said, thanks for doing a write up about it. I ponder from time to timewhether to buy some BD's from overseas, but I may hold out for a while. I guess I was fortunate in that I have hardly had any problems with my combos. Of course, now that I just said that.....
E Unit is offline  
Old 04-15-08, 07:39 AM
  #7  
DVD Talk Godfather
 
The Bus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: New York
Posts: 54,828
Isn't there a Korean Children of Men disc as well?
The Bus is offline  
Old 04-15-08, 08:48 AM
  #8  
DVD Talk Legend
Thread Starter
 
bunkaroo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Chicago West Suburbs
Posts: 15,466
Originally Posted by trespoochies
Raw deal in having it bare bones, I hope you didn't pay a ton for it. But as others have said, thanks for doing a write up about it. I ponder from time to timewhether to buy some BD's from overseas, but I may hold out for a while. I guess I was fortunate in that I have hardly had any problems with my combos. Of course, now that I just said that.....
Well it wasn't cheap, but like I said, I absolutely love the film so I don't mind this time.

FWIW, both of my 2nd-gen players haven been fine with the title since one of the firmware updates from last May(?). My larger concern is if the disc had a production run issue, could there be some problem way down the line with the disc as it ages. It's more paranoia than anything else, but I feel better having another HD copy of it.

I knew I was going to get it either way so I don't mind taking a bullet on it this time. It's someone else's turn now.
bunkaroo is offline  
Old 04-15-08, 09:15 AM
  #9  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Josh Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Boston
Posts: 11,085
Originally Posted by bunkaroo
Also, you have no choice for no subtitles, so you have to wait for the movie to start and then use your player's subtitle menu to turn them off.
This is going to be a problem on some Blu-ray players. The Panasonic BD30 does not have a Subtitle button on the remote (nor have I found a code for one in my Harmony), for example.
Josh Z is offline  
Old 04-15-08, 10:06 AM
  #10  
DVD Talk Legend
Thread Starter
 
bunkaroo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Chicago West Suburbs
Posts: 15,466
Originally Posted by Josh Z
This is going to be a problem on some Blu-ray players. The Panasonic BD30 does not have a Subtitle button on the remote (nor have I found a code for one in my Harmony), for example.
Actually it's not a problem for the BD30.

On my BD30 remote, one of the buttons (will have to verify which button-may be Status), brings up a display where you can cycle through multiple pages. One of them has a Subtitle option which you can toggle Off or On for this disc. That's how I did it. Obviously this is more cumbersome than a working subtitle button, but it works.

I have the Harmony One and there is a Subtitle soft button listed, but it didn't do anything. I have to open up the Logitech software and see what it's mapped to.

EDIT: It's the Display button. Check out page 18 in the BD30 manual.

Last edited by bunkaroo; 04-15-08 at 10:12 AM.
bunkaroo is offline  
Old 04-15-08, 09:55 PM
  #11  
DVD Talk Legend
 
PhantomStranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: The Phantom Zone
Posts: 20,989
To the original poster, is the BD version on a BD-25 or a BD-50? Just wondering...
PhantomStranger is offline  
Old 04-15-08, 10:03 PM
  #12  
DVD Talk Legend
Thread Starter
 
bunkaroo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Chicago West Suburbs
Posts: 15,466
Originally Posted by PhantomStranger
To the original poster, is the BD version on a BD-25 or a BD-50? Just wondering...
Nothing on the case indicates one way or the other, but given the length of film, no extras and a DD track only, I'd guess it's a BD25.
bunkaroo is offline  
Old 04-16-08, 09:28 AM
  #13  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Josh Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Boston
Posts: 11,085
Originally Posted by bunkaroo
Nothing on the case indicates one way or the other, but given the length of film, no extras and a DD track only, I'd guess it's a BD25.
Flip the disc over. If you see one bar code around the inner ring, it's a BD25. If you see 2 bar codes in cocentric layers, it's BD50.
Josh Z is offline  
Old 04-16-08, 09:29 AM
  #14  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Josh Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Boston
Posts: 11,085
Originally Posted by bunkaroo
On my BD30 remote, one of the buttons (will have to verify which button-may be Status), brings up a display where you can cycle through multiple pages. One of them has a Subtitle option which you can toggle Off or On for this disc. That's how I did it. Obviously this is more cumbersome than a working subtitle button, but it works.
You're right. I'd forgotten that I had to do that to turn on subtitles for the bonus features on a couple Hong Kong discs. It was indeed cumbersome.

I have the Harmony One and there is a Subtitle soft button listed, but it didn't do anything. I have to open up the Logitech software and see what it's mapped to.
Yes, I programmed that button into my Harmony 880 and it did nothing. It's probably mapped to the "subtitle" code for Panasonic's DVD players.
Josh Z is offline  
Old 04-16-08, 10:15 AM
  #15  
DVD Talk Legend
Thread Starter
 
bunkaroo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Chicago West Suburbs
Posts: 15,466
Originally Posted by Josh Z
Flip the disc over. If you see one bar code around the inner ring, it's a BD25. If you see 2 bar codes in cocentric layers, it's BD50.
Very cool info - thanks. I'll check this tonight.
bunkaroo is offline  
Old 04-16-08, 11:38 PM
  #16  
DVD Talk Legend
Thread Starter
 
bunkaroo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Chicago West Suburbs
Posts: 15,466
Just wanted to confirm this is a BD25. Only saw one barcode. I checked another disc I knew to be a BD50 so I could see how two barcodes appeared.
bunkaroo is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.