Why HD/SD downloads will remain a niche for the foreseeable future
03-07-08, 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jiggawhat
It's so funny when I was writing the subject of the article I had noted a 10-15 year time frame then changed it to the foreseeable future.
Would you agree that there is probably a lot less objectionable content for music compared with video? So what happens, when your wife sees that you downloaded the latest Debbie does Dallas because that's only available for download. That's just an example but you can see where I'm going with that.
I just don't see disc based media dying and downloads replacing it as it's been forecast for so long. Look at Best Buy, they still sell a ton of CDs. It's not like CDs are going anywhere anytime soon and I see the same happening with BD/DVD. Plus retailers want to be able to sell and the studios will provide it for them.
Would you agree that there is probably a lot less objectionable content for music compared with video? So what happens, when your wife sees that you downloaded the latest Debbie does Dallas because that's only available for download. That's just an example but you can see where I'm going with that.
I just don't see disc based media dying and downloads replacing it as it's been forecast for so long. Look at Best Buy, they still sell a ton of CDs. It's not like CDs are going anywhere anytime soon and I see the same happening with BD/DVD. Plus retailers want to be able to sell and the studios will provide it for them.
03-07-08, 05:59 AM
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IFC Entertainment and BLOCKBUSTER Sign Two-Year Exclusive Rental Deal -- BLOCKBUSTER to be Exclusive Rental Outlet for IFC Entertainment's Titles Through Stores, Mail and VOD Download
NEW YORK, March 5 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- In a move designed to make independent films available to a wider audience, IFC Entertainment, a subsidiary of Rainbow Media Holdings LLC, and Blockbuster Inc. (NYSE: BBI)(NYSE: BBI.B) today announced a two-year agreement that gives BLOCKBUSTER® the exclusive U.S. rental rights for IFC Entertainment's titles. The agreement enables IFC Entertainment to reach a broader audience for its films through Blockbuster's stores, by-mail subscription services and digital downloading service, Movielink.com.
Under the terms of the agreement, IFC and Blockbuster will share rental revenues from IFC titles. Blockbuster will have an exclusive 60-day rental window, including both the physical and digital rental distribution channels, for each title as it becomes available. During this period no title will be available on a retail basis in any format. After the 60-day period, the IFC titles will be available on a non-exclusive basis both for retail and digital distribution. However, Blockbuster will retain the exclusive physical rental distribution rights for IFC titles for three years after each street date.
NEW YORK, March 5 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- In a move designed to make independent films available to a wider audience, IFC Entertainment, a subsidiary of Rainbow Media Holdings LLC, and Blockbuster Inc. (NYSE: BBI)(NYSE: BBI.B) today announced a two-year agreement that gives BLOCKBUSTER® the exclusive U.S. rental rights for IFC Entertainment's titles. The agreement enables IFC Entertainment to reach a broader audience for its films through Blockbuster's stores, by-mail subscription services and digital downloading service, Movielink.com.
Under the terms of the agreement, IFC and Blockbuster will share rental revenues from IFC titles. Blockbuster will have an exclusive 60-day rental window, including both the physical and digital rental distribution channels, for each title as it becomes available. During this period no title will be available on a retail basis in any format. After the 60-day period, the IFC titles will be available on a non-exclusive basis both for retail and digital distribution. However, Blockbuster will retain the exclusive physical rental distribution rights for IFC titles for three years after each street date.
03-07-08, 07:19 AM
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Thats hillarious....this story about Blockbuster and its exclusivity for 60 days with a studio it owns..as proof of some kind of fragmentation of content. Please.
Blockbuster gets all these crappy studios like Weinstein or studios it owns, IFC to give them exclusivity.
Do you think IFC is really happy about giving exclusives to a chain that markets to the lowest common denominator? No..but they don't have a choice. More corporate bullshit.
Oh and what other physical distribution outlets still exist beyond Blockbuster?
I guess Hollywood Video may still exist in some places, it went out of business here two years ago. I'm sure the remaining Hollywood Videos, or whatever other rinky dink chain, is REAL disappointed with not being able to rent IFC films.
Actually, this agreement shows why On Demand is superior...hell there is IFC on demand right now (in SD at least) where you can watch what you want, and not have to bother with stepping into a Blockbuster, avoiding the 50 copies of Norbit, to find some IFC "gem"
Blockbuster gets all these crappy studios like Weinstein or studios it owns, IFC to give them exclusivity.
Do you think IFC is really happy about giving exclusives to a chain that markets to the lowest common denominator? No..but they don't have a choice. More corporate bullshit.
Oh and what other physical distribution outlets still exist beyond Blockbuster?
I guess Hollywood Video may still exist in some places, it went out of business here two years ago. I'm sure the remaining Hollywood Videos, or whatever other rinky dink chain, is REAL disappointed with not being able to rent IFC films.
Actually, this agreement shows why On Demand is superior...hell there is IFC on demand right now (in SD at least) where you can watch what you want, and not have to bother with stepping into a Blockbuster, avoiding the 50 copies of Norbit, to find some IFC "gem"
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03-07-08, 10:54 AM
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I dunno man. Downloadable music sorta snuk up on us and became the norm without too much fanfare. I think for downloadable movies, while it won't be the norm anytime soon, nor "around the corner", is certainly in the foreseeable future - whatever that is.
I just look at the ease with which I can watch HD movies/TV show on Xbox Live, now, and that's all the proof I need to see that an even bigger model of the same thing is not too far off.
I just look at the ease with which I can watch HD movies/TV show on Xbox Live, now, and that's all the proof I need to see that an even bigger model of the same thing is not too far off.
03-07-08, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by SoSpacey
Click the below link for my downloaded movie collection!
Eh. Doesn't have the same impact as owning the physical media does.
Eh. Doesn't have the same impact as owning the physical media does.
03-07-08, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by brianluvdvd
Maybe I am reading this wrong but how does signing an exclusivity contract with one company make films available to a wider audience? Wouldn't it be best to release them to every rental company possible?
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03-07-08, 01:25 PM
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Okay, let's get this back on topic. Please discuss the future of downloads without going off on a tangent. Thanks.
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Okay, let's get this back on topic. Please discuss the future of downloads without going off on a tangent. Thanks.
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03-07-08, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by aintnosin
... the U.S. market for high-speed broadband is only going to get worse as the ISP's either throttle or meter our bandwith, making downloading large movie files either impossible or prohibitively expense.
The telcos/ISPs all want a piece of the entertainment pie. They are of the opinion that they deserve it because their services make it all possible. It's very similar to the idea that the music labels have that they deserve a cut of revenue from the sale of music/mp3 players like the iPod. And Microsoft fed this parasitic notion by brokering a deal with Universal Music that gave Uni a dollar from every Zune sold.
Originally Posted by aintnosin
There is also the factor of the mindset of the average Joe. The tech-savvy don't realize that downloading isn't even on the radar of most people. Also, the number of house holds that have a connection between their television and the internet is a minority and without that, downloading will remain a niche market, limited to those of us willing to go through the hassle of setting that up.
IMHO, the very success of DVD disproves the notion that movie collectors are a minority. Sales figures of individual DVD titles show it's nonsense. Unless your notion of a "collector" is anyone who has more than some arbitrary number of DVDs. Most people I know (that I would not call "movie collectors") must have a few dozen titles.
Originally Posted by aintnosin
Devices like the Apple TV may change this but most of these solutions are still closed loops. What's need is a single box that can suck up all types of media invisibly and making watching downloaded contact identical to just watching television. So far no such solution exists.
I'm a life-long Mac guy who doesn't have an AppleTV and no intention of getting one anytime soon... if ever. Not that I think there is any issue with it or Apple's solution, it's just that what it offers is of no interest to me.
03-07-08, 08:44 PM
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I had this debate with my assistant the other day. I'm male, my assistant is female. I'm 35, she's about 25. I'm married, with a child. She's single. So, that makes this a little more interesting.
She thinks the downloads are the way to go. I argued that it's still got a long way to go in replacing the sales of DVD. She didn't agree.
She enjoys watching movies on her computer.....I told her that I enjoy watching them in HD on my 55" HDTV.
What it really breaks down to is if you want to "own" the movie, or just watch it. I like On-demand, and I also subscribe to HBO, Cinemax, and Netflix. I'd still say that the majority of the movies I watch at home are purchased DVD's. It's also lifestyle. When she is no longer an assistant, and she has more scratch, married/boyfriend, bigger place, etc....she'll get a widescreen TV. That changes this argument.
When you can download a movie, show it to all your friends, play it in your car for your daughter on the way to school in the morning, all in 1080P glory with surround sound, then you have a shot - but just a shot with someone like me.
I'd also argue that a movie is nothing like music. Music is something people listen to while doing other things (most of the time, anyway).....so it's passive entertainment, in short bursts (3-5 min. songs). A movie DEMANDS your attention. I do download (legally, thank you) music, but I still buy a lot of CD's. Specifically, if I'm into that band. But, hasn't music become very disposable...in terms of an art form? There are "artists" that had hits, won awards, etc. that no one cares about today. But, there are tons of movies that are revered that are older than dirt. You buy it when it came out on standard DVD, then again with it was re-released as a 2-disc set, and remastered, then again on HD/Blu-Ray.
I could go on and on all night, but I am boring you all to tears with this
Just my opinion
She thinks the downloads are the way to go. I argued that it's still got a long way to go in replacing the sales of DVD. She didn't agree.
She enjoys watching movies on her computer.....I told her that I enjoy watching them in HD on my 55" HDTV.
What it really breaks down to is if you want to "own" the movie, or just watch it. I like On-demand, and I also subscribe to HBO, Cinemax, and Netflix. I'd still say that the majority of the movies I watch at home are purchased DVD's. It's also lifestyle. When she is no longer an assistant, and she has more scratch, married/boyfriend, bigger place, etc....she'll get a widescreen TV. That changes this argument.
When you can download a movie, show it to all your friends, play it in your car for your daughter on the way to school in the morning, all in 1080P glory with surround sound, then you have a shot - but just a shot with someone like me.
I'd also argue that a movie is nothing like music. Music is something people listen to while doing other things (most of the time, anyway).....so it's passive entertainment, in short bursts (3-5 min. songs). A movie DEMANDS your attention. I do download (legally, thank you) music, but I still buy a lot of CD's. Specifically, if I'm into that band. But, hasn't music become very disposable...in terms of an art form? There are "artists" that had hits, won awards, etc. that no one cares about today. But, there are tons of movies that are revered that are older than dirt. You buy it when it came out on standard DVD, then again with it was re-released as a 2-disc set, and remastered, then again on HD/Blu-Ray.
I could go on and on all night, but I am boring you all to tears with this
Just my opinion
03-08-08, 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by TheKing
Are you saying that at this point in time, men are more likely to watch porn on on a physical disc rather than the internet? Downloading revolutionized the porn industry, perhaps more than it has any entertainment medium.
