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Old 02-20-08 | 10:58 PM
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We should change the forum name to 'OMG We were featured on an online news article for HD DVD clearance prices!!!LOLZ'

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Old 02-20-08 | 11:06 PM
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HD died. Go BLU!

LOLZ!
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I'm starting to think that a child took over Knives' account.
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I'm starting to think that a child took over Knives' account.
I didn't notice anything different....
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Poor Joe Six-Pack and Sally Soccer Mom are going to be so confused now!
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Poor Joe Six-Pack and Sally Soccer Mom are going to be so confused now!
You confuse me. Go to bed please.
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Old 02-20-08 | 11:23 PM
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Go tell your girlfriend to commit more retail fraud with borders with those HD-DVD coasters!

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Go tell your girlfriend to commit more retail fraud with borders with those HD-DVD coasters!

SICK!

Dude, if you keep calling them coasters you won't be in this forum that long.
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Mod Note: Knife, your posting style is at odds with the peaceful atmosphere we're trying to maintain in this forum. Calm down or we will remove you.
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Interesting blog from an HDi developer....

http://blogs.msdn.com/andypennell/ar...ormat-war.aspx

April 2005: I join the Profession Content Group. Immediately start work on iHD engine (later renamed HDi™) for the PC. (Eventually this code will run on Xbox, Linux and Windows CE too).

August 2005: HD DVD Spec 1.0 is finished, and a party is held on a boat on Lake Washington with lots of Microsoft and Toshiba folks, along with some Studio people too. Weather is great, and a good time is had by all.

September 2005: Microsoft announces we are HD DVD exclusive (along with Intel).

September 2005: I see my first Xbox 360!

October 2005: First HD DVD drives turn up from Toshiba.

Jan 2006: At CES we demo Bourne Supremacy HD DVD running with animated menus and subtitles that include a picture of who is speaking (a feature never used on a shipping title). The demo was running on Vista. I had worked for a week on a lip-sync bug and when the demo was run the audio was turned off anyway.

Jan 2006: At CES Xbox announced they would be producing an HD DVD add-on, which was a complete surprise to everyone except those on the stage.

Jan 2006: At CES Toshiba give away the first HD DVD Hybrid discs: a single sided disc that has both DVD and HD DVD content on it. BD can’t ever do that.

Jan 2006 (I think): The team sees the first Toshiba HD-A1 prototype (called Excalibur) running the first real HD content. To general delight the demo content was created by Toshiba with an HD camcorder and features shots of the August Launch Party: the first HD DVD content I ever see includes me drinking on a boat in the sunshine: who would have thought?

March 2006: The team has a party at The Big Picture in Redmond when we watch The Last Samurai from an HD DVD check disc, on a prototype A1 player, on a theater-sized screen. I recall one playback glitch and a problem with subtitles, but overall impressions were kick-ass.

April 2006: Toshiba ship the first HD DVD player, the HD A1, to great reviews, for $499. First three titles in the US are Phantom of the Opera, Million Dollar Baby, and The Last Samurai. My own A1 arrives at home!

May 2006: Bourne Supremacy is released, the first HD DVD title using Picture in Picture to show the director’s commentary. It takes BD over eighteen months to get the same ability, and then it only works on Profile 1.1 players (i.e. the PS3).

June 2006: Samsung release the first Blu-ray player, for $999. A few weeks later the team gathered in front of one and checked out the first BD titles. Man how we laughed: lots of hour-glasses while we waited for, well pretty much everything. The menus were more primitive than DVD menus: tiny chapter icons, and only as many that could fit on a single screen. Weird. Then we watched The Fifth Element, and saw how bad the picture quality was. We couldn’t believe how lame everything was in comparison to HD DVD. And for twice the price. Things were looking up.

November 2006: Microsoft ship the Xbox 360 HD DVD Player for $199 to generally good reviews. It’s a lot faster than the Toshiba players but suffers from Xbox hardware limitations (no HDMI, later fixed, and no advanced multi-channel audio output).

June 2007: The first network-aware HD DVD title is released, Freedom 1 from Bandai, which allowed additional content to be downloaded from the internet. It takes BD three more versions to offer the same feature and as of this writing, eight months later, exactly zero BD Profile 2.0 players are available (although strangely there are two BD titles that claim networking features).

August 2007: Paramount announces they are going HD DVD exclusive, having tried being dual format for a while. Champagne and goodies are consumed in the hallways. This was the best day for HD DVD for sure. All of a sudden we weren’t the underdogs any more, we had a real shot at winning this thing. (Sadly Sony come to a similar realization and start getting the big checks ready).

December 2007: Hardware and software sales are strong for HD DVD. Everyone is happy.

Jan 4, 2008: Black Friday. The team are called to a special meeting called at 11am where we learn of Warner’s decision to go Blu-ray only, which they promptly do publicly an hour later. Without a doubt the worst day in the life of HD DVD.

Jan 2008: CES 2008 turns into an unhappy experience for HD DVD, starting the day after the Warner bombshell. Cool demos never see the light of day and everyone is pretty shell-shocked.

Feb 2008: A bunch more bad news from Wal-mart, Netflix and Best Buy.

Feb 19, 2008: Toshiba announce they are dropping HD DVD. We lost. We were robbed. I feel like the Democrats after the 2000 election.
IIRC, Robert from ValueElectronics mentioed a few of the demos that would have been shown at CES if Warner continued with going HD DVD exclusive. One was of 2 stick figures that would dance/move depending on the music being played on the HD DVD player. I believe you could network 2 HD DVD players (same house or with a friend anywhere in the world) with this program as well.
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Old 02-21-08 | 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Interesting blog from an HDi developer....

http://blogs.msdn.com/andypennell/ar...ormat-war.aspx



IIRC, Robert from ValueElectronics mentioed a few of the demos that would have been shown at CES if Warner continued with going HD DVD exclusive. One was of 2 stick figures that would dance/move depending on the music being played on the HD DVD player. I believe you could network 2 HD DVD players (same house or with a friend anywhere in the world) with this program as well.

Sounds exactly what i bought my HD Movie player for, dancing stick figures networked across my house. Sad that it never made it to the consumers hands.
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Old 02-21-08 | 12:34 AM
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Sounds exactly what i bought my HD Movie player for, dancing stick figures networked across my house. Sad that it never made it to the consumers hands.
Yeah, I would much rather have 5 minute loading Java induced menus that may or may not load up on my movies instead.

Its a tech demo meant to show what the players could do besides just playing movies.
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Old 02-21-08 | 12:51 AM
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Paramount is now Blu...again

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...969933f25fc601

All six major Hollywood studios are now in the Blu-ray Disc camp, a day after Toshiba has pulled the plug on HD DVD and Blu-ray became effectively the only next-gen game in town.

Paramount Home Entertainment quietly came onboard via a statement sent exclusively to The Hollywood Reporter on Wednesday: "We are pleased that the industry is moving to a single high-definition format, as we believe it is in the best interest of the consumer," the statement reads. "As we look to (begin) releasing our titles on Blu-ray, we will monitor consumer adoption and determine our release plans accordingly."
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Old 02-21-08 | 12:54 AM
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I have to admit, GizmoDVD. Dancing stick figures don't necessarily bring revelation or enlightenment to my HD experience. I guess you'd have to be there. What's so amazing about a demo like this? Maybe I'm missing something.

Paramount's original press release:

We are pleased that the industry is moving to a single high-definition format, as we believe it is in the best interest of us.

Approved press release:

We are pleased that the industry is moving to a single high-definition format, as we believe it is in the best interest of the consumer.
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Old 02-21-08 | 01:03 AM
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I have to admit, GizmoDVD. Dancing stick figures don't necessarily bring revelation or enlightenment to my HD experience. I guess you'd have to be there. What's so amazing about a demo like this? Maybe I'm missing something.
If you're inclined, search Roberts posts over at AVS. He made it sound much, much cooler.

Edit: Found it

Toshiba was as shocked as anyone to hear about Warner's decision so it took them by surprise.

Their exhibit showed two new HD DVD applications, chat between two networked HD DVD players and animation figures that were singing and playing musical instruments in exact sync to a HD DVD disc playing Jazz music. Both looked very cool.

4th gen players were never planned for CES, but more firmware upgrades are planned. The next gen players are expected in Q3 '08.

The next frontier is Hollywood movies on flash memory cards and or download HD content.
Curious what the Gen4 players would have looked like. From some slides it appeared they would have built-in WiFi. I'm sure we will eventually see some sort of prototype.

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Old 02-21-08 | 01:04 AM
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Ok, will do. Just sounded odd.
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Old 02-21-08 | 01:21 AM
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The way you worded your earlier post made it sound as if the downfall of HD DVD was that high-end player manufacturers weren't supporting it. Rusty James is disagreeing with that.

The lack of much meaningful hardware backing outside of Toshiba definitely didn't help, but if I were listing the factors that killed HD DVD, that wouldn't be in my top 3 or 4 reasons.
The point I was making regarding Toshiba's pricing was that the drastic cuts resulting in a lack of top hardware support, high-end or not, and free offers did indeed have a tremendous impact on how Warner viewed the two camps. The devaluation they, amongst others, saw in Toshiba's actions has been commented by an insider as well. It isn't news.

Question: Is WB unhappy with Tosh or do you mean they just want the war over asap?
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Both. A lot of studios feel that when Toshiba started giving away 10-15 discs with a $250 player it devalued HD media...
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I think WB want to hurt HD DVD as much as they can, and right now they have an obligation to release whatever is announced for Blu-ray onto HD DVD, so with that in mind I wouldn't expect many announcements until after the cut-off date.
So, we can label the insider's comments as crazy talk and what not but the fact that Toshiba's price cuts not only did not produce the much needed consumer base Warner was reportedly looking for but during the Holidays Toshiba's lead in standalone units sold was also erased and overtaken by more expensive BR hardware/standalones I find indicative. And given that we all agree that Warner's decision was the one that predetermined the outcome of this war I have every reason to believe that Toshiba's artificial pricing strategy was indeed one of the major reasons why no other top hardware manufacturer, high-end or not, joined them, effectively initiating the downfall.

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Old 02-21-08 | 02:04 AM
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IIRC, Robert from ValueElectronics mentioed a few of the demos that would have been shown at CES if Warner continued with going HD DVD exclusive. One was of 2 stick figures that would dance/move depending on the music being played on the HD DVD player. I believe you could network 2 HD DVD players (same house or with a friend anywhere in the world) with this program as well.
With the extra space on Blu-ray discs, you could have easily fit a 3rd stick figure.
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Old 02-21-08 | 02:05 AM
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MOD EDIT: post removed. you're awfully close to a suspension. -namja

What's wrong with that, nothing offensive. Show some love to the winner.

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Old 02-21-08 | 02:07 AM
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This may prove to be true, but I consider the Hollywood Reporter only marginally more reliable than all the industry "insiders" that claim that Fox and Warner were a coin-toss away from going Red.
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Old 02-21-08 | 02:33 AM
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This may prove to be true, but I consider the Hollywood Reporter only marginally more reliable than all the industry "insiders" that claim that Fox and Warner were a coin-toss away from going Red.
Actually, The Hollywood Reporter is a very well-respected industry publication, and they were the first to break the story of Toshiba dropping HD DVD. I don't doubt for a second that Paramount might have gone to them first.

What bugs me is the attitude of their statement:
As we look to (begin) releasing our titles on Blu-ray, we will monitor consumer adoption and determine our release plans accordingly.
Based on that, it really sounds like they are telling the BDA "if you want us to publish our software, give us the same kind of sweet deal that Toshiba did, or else". If they just want to alienate a bunch of customers, that's a good way to do it.
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Old 02-21-08 | 02:44 AM
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Actually, The Hollywood Reporter is a very well-respected industry publication, and they were the first to break the story of Toshiba dropping HD DVD.


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Old 02-21-08 | 03:18 AM
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I didn't mean to imply that the HR couldn't be trusted for anything. I just wouldn't turn to them for breaking news on the format war.
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Here is a Reuters article on Paramount going Blu:

All Hollywood studios now lined up behind Blu-Ray

ETA: Looks like this is the same hollywoodreporter article from a few posts up.

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Here is a Reuters article on Paramount going Blu:

All Hollywood studios now lined up behind Blu-Ray
Outstanding!
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