See bolded.

And thats not always true. There have been times where the 2 disc DVD version has more features over the Blu-ray. Not only that, places like Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy etc. will also have some sort of bonus disc or "blank store special edition" that will have features not present on the Blu-ray. Thats an extreme example, but has happened.

i'm sorry, but there's just not much substance your point. anyone who is remotely interested in blu-ray realizes that a single disc has much more capacity than a DVD and will compare the list of extras on a given release.

IMO, the HDM version, regardless of extras, will always have more value - about 6x the resolution's worth. Isn't that the primary reason we're buying these discs?

Not saying these discs should be bare bones, but comparing an HDM version to a DVD based solely on extras is not logical, given the features are not presented in the same quality.

If you come out with a DVD and have a 1 Disc Version and a 2 Disc version at the same price, with the exact same extras, the 2 Disc will always sell better then the 1 disc. Its just a better value to most people, even if the extras are the same. Most people just glance, they don't compare side by side.

Now, for Blu-ray, some people may know they hold more, but not everyone, especially the average Blu-ray owner who owns a PS3 and is just picking up a movie here and there. I guarantee you if you ask a few people at Best Buy looking at the movies and ask what 2 size discs Blu-ray comes on, 1 out of 5 people would be able to tell you the correct sizes. We get a lot of new people here who have no idea why they can't fit an entire season of 24 on a Blu-ray disc, not knowing that higher quality PQ/AQ take more space.

...Anyways, I'm still in the crowd that Blu-ray discs should only be $5 more then their DVD counterpart for Blu-ray to be possible to be a successful viable format. That goes for new releases too who suffer from sometimes being twice as much as their DVD counterparts on release week ($15.99 DVD, $29.99 Blu-ray)

bunkaroo,

(looks like GizmoDVD said what I was going to say...)

But you're talking about a minority of Blu-ray owners then. The whole marketing campaign of Blu-ray, is to get everyone into it. When you do this, you naturally have a majority of format adopters who don't or won't necessarily look at quality as the determining factor.

Best Buy and Wal-Mart can market Blu-ray as the best quality, but if you see a Blu-ray title for $25 and the 2-Disc Special Super Duper Deluxe Supreme With Nacho Cheese Edition, and a fancy shiny slipcover for $15 or less, what's going to sell more?

We might even see Blu-ray cases going BACK to the same size as ordinary DVD cases, just so people think they're getting something more.

even if any of those unverifiable generalizations are true, they don't correlate to a consumer comparing a BD to a DVD. i contend that most consumers choosing between a BD and a DVD of the same title who care about the extras will take 2 seconds to scan the back of the case and see what's there.

this is another completely unverifiable generalization that i reject completely, unless you have some data to back it up.

feel free to point me to the results of that survey. if it's just hypothetical, i can come up with my own and provide guarantees to the contrary. furthermore, the consumer doesn't have to know exactly what size BDs are, only that they hold more than DVDs.

The Untouchables was released on both HD DVD and Blu-ray before Paramount went HD DVD exclusive.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/786/untouchables.html

So we are just going to have to agree to disagree then because I don't buy any of your generalizations either.

It is one of the hardest Blu-ray titles from Paramount to find though, along with Shooter. Who knows when they will re-press more copies.

fair enough!

for what it's worth, although i rejected your particular assertion, i do believe BDs will need to come much closer to DVD retail prices to actually overtake DVD in the home video market. however, i also believe Blu-ray can be a highly successful and profit-generating product without replacing DVD. and i don't think that the current prices are all that bad for where the product is in its lifecycle.

+1

Problem with that is DVD is 10 years into its life cycle and prices are very, very low. Its not uncommon for Best Buy or Circuit City to have 50-100 decent catalog titles for $3.99 every week. Those same catalog titles (if available on Blu-ray) are $19.99+.

Its obviously very hard for a 2 year old format to have prices as low as a 10 year one, especially when DVD is in almost every single home in American (if not with several different players, including computer, portable and car) and Blu-ray is not even close to that. I will always be in the camp that Blu-ray should only be sold at a $5-$8 increase, nothing higher. Any higher and it will not help overall consumer adoption of Blu-ray. DVD is good enough for the 99.60% of people who bought last year. Warner seems to be the only studio (and maybe Universal to an extent) who knows how to price their catalog titles. Sony and Disney prices have been hit and miss while Paramount and Fox are just plain nuts. :lol:

Cassettes are good enough if you just want to hear music. But as more people are adopting HD sets they will want HD media to complement that. You even said that it took 10 years for dvd prices to hit bottom although this only really includes catalog titles that have collected dust for a few years. New releases are still between 14.99-19.99 on release day with an even higher price for the 2-disc special editions that they are now selling. I think we should at least give the Blu-Ray camp a year or so for them to establish a profitable but fair price for their software that encourages growth but also doesn't run the format into the ground. We all want product for a good price but if the integrity of the product isn't maintained then why not just grab a copy of it on VHS? If you don't think that DVD has become something like a Dollar General product then next time you go into Wal-Mart look at the bookshelves they have up close to the front with a scrap heap of titles for 5 bucks.

Cassettes compared to CD? VHS compared to DVD? Good enough? Really? I'm not even going to respond to any of that.

However just because people are buying HDTVs does not mean they will go out and buy a $400 Blu-ray player. Why not just buy a $49 up-converting player that can play every single DVD release vs. the 500 odd Blu-ray titles available today? Its up to the BDA if they want to format to be successful over a period of time or if they just want to make a quick buck. Hopefully, for all of us here who like physical media, they go the successful route vs. quick buck.

I understand your point but we do have to realize they're are trying to profit off of the format just like any other business profits off of their products. I guess I should say that if you don't like what they're selling or the price they're asking then don't buy. I am able to find the titles I want for prices that I feel are fair for what I am getting. Sometimes you just have to hold your money and look for the right deal. Just like both of us did for our Prison Break sets that we got for less than half of what they sell for in the store. We just can't expect the Blu-Ray group to just be handing them out in the street.

I fully understand and agree with all of that. I have been speaking with my wallet and have only purchased 3-4 Blu-rays (if even that) since Warner's announcement, since after that point all the bargains just dried up on Blu-ray.

Just absolutely, completely sick of this. If there were a way I could close this forum instead of individual threads, I think I probably would at this point.